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Match Thread: Liverpool vs Marseilles - CL Group Stage Round 1 (16/09)
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And u know me from adam?LuckyLloyd wrote: »I don't think you are as smart as you would like to believe.
Pundits like Dunphy and laymen like yourself
And secondly, you tend to A) believe that there is only one way to skin the cat
hang your hats on the fabled impact that one of the players who isn't featuring at any point would surely bring.
But the real acid test will be how close the next guy in will get
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How smart am I?
Funny thing is i find its the laymen who tend to buy into the bluff and guff, gives them an in, feel like they are part of it.
Calling strangers layman, so im a layman i guess that makes you the manager of a pro team?
yr not a layman as well are you???
& no im not the guy in the pub shouting his mouth off, im tend to be the guy sitting 5 yards away who people ask for the opinion of, youll be glad to know its pretty much gyles's fair, me not understanding the modern game and all
Everywhere I look all i see is Football Manager and guardian journo speak(not saying u play or read either)
I never mentioned Alonso or any player for that matter
acid test!?
Giving away the ball cheaply works in europe
men paid 30-100 grand a week cant pass ball 5 yards, run off the shoulder and get it back?
enough, if thats football, show me to the polo ponies!
ps funny when i say the same things but not about Liverpool you agree with me
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=57104122&postcount=50
was i as smart as i think i am last week?
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And u know me from adam?
How smart am I?
Funny thing is i find its the laymen who tend to buy into the bluff and guff, gives them an in, feel like they are part of it.
Calling strangers layman, so im a layman i guess that makes you the manager of a pro team?
yr not a layman as well are you???
& no im not the guy in the pub shouting his mouth off, im tend to be the guy sitting 5 yards away who people ask for the opinion of, youll be glad to know its pretty much gyles's fair, me not understanding the modern game and all
Everywhere I look all i see is Football Manager and guardian journo speak(not saying u play or read either)
I never mentioned Alonso or any player for that matter
acid test!?
Giving away the ball cheaply works in europe
men paid 30-100 grand a week cant pass ball 5 yards, run off the shoulder and get it back?
enough, if thats football, show me to the polo ponies!
ps funny when i say the same things but not about Liverpool you agree with me
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=57104122&postcount=50
was i as smart as i think i am last week?
I may not know you from adam - but I can comment on your posts and, most crucially, the tone of your posts in this thread. You have adopted a regal mightier than thou stance and deemed fit to dismiss those who disagreed with Eamo and the boys on RTE this evening as not worthy of supporting Liverpool.
I used the terms Layman and pundit to distinguish those who write on message boards or discuss the game over pints from those who work in the media and get paid for their opinions. I am neither journalist or coach - I'm just a fan. But I don't appreciate any suggestion that I "don't belong anywhere near a football or football club".
I liked your post on the England squad because you were the only person up to that point in the thread who could see the value in calling up a midfield player with a different playing style to Barry, Hargreaves / Gerrard, Lampard. However, I would not go to the extremes of your apparent position that because Bullard is a center mid in the traditional sense it makes him a more useful player than Gerrard.
Given that under Benitez we have won / last 16 / runners up / semi - final in four years in the toughest club cup competition in the world I'm going to say that what he and the team does in Europe works. You can call it giving the ball away cheaply with a disdainful wave - I'll call it sitting deep and defending well while attempting to break quickly when getting possession. Your anecdotal opinion on what comprises effective football in Europe is less relevant than the cold hard stats above. And it isn't as if we have had dream draws and played pushover sides each of the four years. Benitez has beaten the best over two legs consistently.
Liverpool are a stable top four premiership side that have performed excellently in the CL in the recent past. In fact, our consistent premiership position and good European form stretches back as far as Houllier when we won the UEFA cup (beating Roma and Barcelona along the way) and were minutes away from a CL semi - final berth the following season. Accepting that the strength and depth of the Continental leagues ebb and flow to some extent from season to season and it is somewhat difficult to quantify accurately how the top teams from each country compare - I don't think it would be TOO much of a stretch to say that Liverpool have generally been somewhere from the 6th to 20th best side in Europe during each of the past eight seasons (I wouldn't like to get drawn on the details of that - my point should be clear).
Now, for all of those seasons, we have played what people would label "negative" football with a squad short on players in the mould of Pirlo / Fabregas / Xavi type midfield playmakers. So while we may not play football the way you deem it should be played - it seems to ****ing work to some extent! For all the teams in all the European leagues, we are up there with the best of them. Consistently. Playing "hold on" football.
You seem convinced that football is really, really simple. Pass and move, keep it tight at the back, have width and balance and, PRESTO!, success will surely follow. When you get a lead away from home in a hostile environment don't sweat it - just hold onto the ball and let them get tired and demoralized chasing you. And if you're not doing that you are dull or negative or rubbish or not upholding the fine legacy of Liverpool football club. :rolleyes:
You see, I really don't think it is anything like that simple or easy. Every team we will play this year (excepting a potential non - league FA Cup opponent) will have studied how we play, know our players, their strengths, their weaknesses, their tendencies. They will be in top physical shape. They will often play slightly harder against us because of our tradition and history. They will have class players of their own. Or players that are where they are just because they work their balls off or understand the game. Benitez takes all of that on board and then goes out and plays the way he does to counter it. And it has brought success in some areas. And it has brought improvement in others. And it is currently bringing results. As long as we stay towards the top and are gradually inching closer to the summit I really think that pundits or anyone declaring that he has it all wrong and should do it all differently must either be unbelievably arrogant or stupid. Or both.
So you can dismiss our current crop of players and the coaching staff and write them off (even when they go deep in Europe with regularity and are showing an improved consistency of results overall may I add), yearning for a managerial change and sweep of the squad so that we can play a version of total football which you believe is so simple and obvious. Meanwhile I will continue to contend that getting to the very summit of English and European football is much harder now than it was in 1977 - and that there is not (and has not been) anyone available and interested over the past five years who can get us closer in a shorter timeframe than Benitez.
The Acid Test will be what his successor can achieve with this club in the current or future footballing climate.0 -
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LuckyLloyd wrote: »I may not know you from adam - but I can comment on your posts and, most crucially, the tone of your posts in this thread. You have adopted a regal mightier than thou stance and deemed fit to dismiss those who disagreed with Eamo and the boys on RTE this evening as not worthy of supporting Liverpool.
I used the terms Layman and pundit to distinguish those who write on message boards or discuss the game over pints from those who work in the media and get paid for their opinions. I am neither journalist or coach - I'm just a fan. But I don't appreciate any suggestion that I "don't belong anywhere near a football or football club".
I liked your post on the England squad because you were the only person up to that point in the thread who could see the value in calling up a midfield player with a different playing style to Barry, Hargreaves / Gerrard, Lampard. However, I would not go to the extremes of your apparent position that because Bullard is a center mid in the traditional sense it makes him a more useful player than Gerrard.
Given that under Benitez we have won / last 16 / runners up / semi - final in four years in the toughest club cup competition in the world I'm going to say that what he and the team does in Europe works. You can call it giving the ball away cheaply with a disdainful wave - I'll call it sitting deep and defending well while attempting to break quickly when getting possession. Your anecdotal opinion on what comprises effective football in Europe is less relevant than the cold hard stats above. And it isn't as if we have had dream draws and played pushover sides each of the four years. Benitez has beaten the best over two legs consistently.
Liverpool are a stable top four premiership side that have performed excellently in the CL in the recent past. In fact, our consistent premiership position and good European form stretches back as far as Houllier when we won the UEFA cup (beating Roma and Barcelona along the way) and were minutes away from a CL semi - final berth the following season. Accepting that the strength and depth of the Continental leagues ebb and flow to some extent from season to season and it is somewhat difficult to quantify accurately how the top teams from each country compare - I don't think it would be TOO much of a stretch to say that Liverpool have generally been somewhere from the 6th to 20th best side in Europe during each of the past eight seasons (I wouldn't like to get drawn on the details of that - my point should be clear).
Now, for all of those seasons, we have played what people would label "negative" football with a squad short on players in the mould of Pirlo / Fabregas / Xavi type midfield playmakers. So while we may not play football the way you deem it should be played - it seems to ****ing work to some extent! For all the teams in all the European leagues, we are up there with the best of them. Consistently. Playing "hold on" football.
You seem convinced that football is really, really simple. Pass and move, keep it tight at the back, have width and balance and, PRESTO!, success will surely follow. When you get a lead away from home in a hostile environment don't sweat it - just hold onto the ball and let them get tired and demoralized chasing you. And if you're not doing that you are dull or negative or rubbish or not upholding the fine legacy of Liverpool football club. :rolleyes:
You see, I really don't think it is anything like that simple or easy. Every team we will play this year (excepting a potential non - league FA Cup opponent) will have studied how we play, know our players, their strengths, their weaknesses, their tendencies. They will be in top physical shape. They will often play slightly harder against us because of our tradition and history. They will have class players of their own. Or players that are where they are just because they work their balls off or understand the game. Benitez takes all of that on board and then goes out and plays the way he does to counter it. And it has brought success in some areas. And it has brought improvement in others. And it is currently bringing results. As long as we stay towards the top and are gradually inching closer to the summit I really think that pundits or anyone declaring that he has it all wrong and should do it all differently must either be unbelievably arrogant or stupid. Or both.
So you can dismiss our current crop of players and the coaching staff and write them off (even when they go deep in Europe with regularity and are showing an improved consistency of results overall may I add), yearning for a managerial change and sweep of the squad so that we can play a version of total football which you believe is so simple and obvious. Meanwhile I will continue to contend that getting to the very summit of English and European football is much harder now than it was in 1977 - and that there is not (and has not been) anyone available and interested over the past five years who can get us closer in a shorter timeframe than Benitez.
The Acid Test will be what his successor can achieve with this club in the current or future footballing climate.
Great post. Enjoyable read. Does this mean that I know nothing of football now?
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Babel pissed me off no end towards the end of the match, not attempting to win balls. ****ing hate that. Gimme Dirk Kuyt anyday of the week!
On RTE, they are a joke, always have been, when watching them, just try not to get aggitated and enjoy the comedy. See Dunphy last night for example, looking at the Inter teams players, reaches Cambiasso in the list;
"now Cameronasi(sp?), Italian player we all know about, past his best" or something to that extent.....emmmm, no Eammon, you are talking about the TOTALLY wrong player
or Rafa has only bought donkeys except Torres, before going on to say positive things about Babel,Reina,Mascherano and Alonso :rolleyes:
or Rafa should not have bought Arbeloa,Lucas and one other donkey, and should have bought Tevez instead with that money.....emmmmm Eamo, Tevez is costing 30 plus million?!
comical.
As for the game last night, won at a canter. easy. sure there was a couple of tight moments and Carra looked a little off the boil but i aint worried, i really do have much more confidence in this squad than i have in previous years.0 -
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Is that such a big deal anyway? yeah its annoying well people do things to rise people in threads but sure cest la vie ya know. Im a Manchester United fan, have been all my life (although day by day I'm growing into a Bohs fan more so).
But I love discussing football, and I'm not one of these fans that say **** like "I hate team X or Y". There nearest thing to that was the Arsenal team of 8 years ago or so, but that was down to their personnel rather than the club itself. I have lads on my msn with comments like "United Quatre Point" "Scouse 2 - 1 Mancs" etc... dopes but there ya go. I didnt open my mouth past 2 seasons when United did the double over Liverpool but there ya go different strokes for different folks. But football fans are exactly that, and this whole "I couldnt give a **** about them" etc annoys people on a few levels. Theres the who is us and who is them brigade, that consider it ridicolous to call teams from England us and them. Then there is the football fans that just wish that we'd all get along and be intitled to post where we want, and make a little joke regardless of what team we "support"/follow/like the most.
Boggles didnt say anything that bad at all and got jumped on their! Dunphy was getting a rollicking here in this thread about his comments, and jokes where made about him. Boggles made a joke (it is an interesting comment though about Babel) about Dunphy thats all. Maybe targetted at Liverpool fans but if people are gonna start pointing out things so little as that, threads are going to get full up with petty arguments.
We're all fans of the game here lads, ease up a little. It wasnt that bad.
to make a soccer analogy boggles wasnt being carded for that foul, its his persistent fouling that has caused the booking
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to make a soccer analogy boggles wasnt being carded for that foul, its his persistent fouling that has caused the booking
I'll just do a Terry and get it quashed.
Trilla is right too much snapping and petty squibbling e.g.
I said:
Great goal by Stephen Le Tissier, top top quality!
Referring to Gerrards Le Tiss like finish last night.
This poor fella who I must admit makes me laugh with his over protection of his supported club, responded in kind.yes but le tiss was renown for being lazy and lethargic which knowing boggles is wat hes trying to hit on
Sometimes you just can't win, no matter what you do. But you can always smile.:D:DI would have the same opinion of any Pool fan who spends his time posting 'witty' remarks about Utd players on their forum.
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Anyway another topic derailed by oversensitivity and ghetto mentality.
The One good thing that came out of the match last night was Cheryou, it was a masterful performance, will be keeping a look out for him for the rest of the tournament.0 -
internelligent wrote: »Great post. Enjoyable read. Does this mean that I know nothing of football now?
Well, I think we all know an awful lot less than we would like to admit!Lucky Lloyd, you are now my new hero. They were unbelieveable posts. Covered everything i wanted to say to Elshambo cos if there is one thing i hate more than people talking sh!te, it's people talking sh!te who think they are actually clever or more clever than anyone else!
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but ya see boggles, i was right.
pretty much every single one of your posts is laced in anti-liverpool bias. almost no matter wat its about, there will always be a hit against liverpool.
im a constant critic of a lot of pool fans on this forum for unrealistic attitudes and over the top defence of their club, but with you its different. with you its like a game ya see. in every post you have to construct new methods of taking a dig at liverpool while not looking like your directly trolling. your pretty good at it i agree and if this were a gaming forum or some such and you were slagging say Playstation fanboys or something then it would be funny. but alas, its not. its a football forum and one that grows more and more frustrating to read every day and you would be one of the reasons why that is.
why dont you do something contructive in here like comment on LuckyLoyd's or elshambo's posts and actually try and look like you are contributing rather then trying to find the next way to put down liverpool.
remember tho, if you are actually going to talk about football and how its played etc. then the oppositions right backs are up against the other teams left wingers 0 -
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but ya see boggles, i was right.
pretty much every single one of your posts is laced in anti-liverpool bias. almost no matter wat its about, there will always be a hit against liverpool.
im a constant critic of a lot of pool fans on this forum for unrealistic attitudes and over the top defence of their club, but with you its different. with you its like a game ya see. in every post you have to construct new methods of taking a dig at liverpool while not looking like your directly trolling. your pretty good at it i agree and if this were a gaming forum or some such and you were slagging say Playstation fanboys or something then it would be funny. but alas, its not. its a football forum and one that grows more and more frustrating to read every day and you would be one of the reasons why that is.
why dont you do something contructive in here like comment on LuckyLoyd's or elshambo's posts and actually try and look like you are contributing rather then trying to find the next way to put down liverpool.
remember tho, if you are actually going to talk about football and how its played etc. then the oppositions right backs are up against the other teams left wingers
You do make me Giggle Jazzy, what has that nonsense above got to do with the topic of the thread? Maybe you should stop stalking my posts and concentrate on not being hyper sensitive over your chosen team. Your only real contribution is having a go at me, it is flattering in a (scary) way I suppose.
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and u slag me for 'predictable' replies? of course it has nothing to do with the topic, but it does have to do with ur replies on pretty much every thread.
stalking ur posts? i read any thread thats remotely related to liverpool (some that are not at all) and ur there, trolling away. and no, im not hyper sensitive about liverpool.. in the slightest. but of course u saying that is just another way to make it seem like i dont know wat im talking about.
i do notice tho how ur not really able to defend urself about wat i said tho, me thinks im hitting on the truth... or is it just all OPINIONS ?:D:D:D:D:D 0 -
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