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Dublin Bus and Google Maps Project

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭irlrobins


    The intention is to release one map with all routes on it. Releasing one route at a time is pointless. So people plot a route, upload the coordinates here and markpb will (hopefully) plot it on his map. That make sense?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,342 ✭✭✭markpb


    irlrobins wrote:
    The intention is to release one map with all routes on it. Releasing one route at a time is pointless. So people plot a route, upload the coordinates here and markpb will (hopefully) plot it on his map. That make sense?

    And I will :-)

    http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~markpb/dta/traffic/boards.ie.php?bus=46a
    http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~markpb/dta/traffic/boards.ie.php?bus=20b
    http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~markpb/dta/traffic/boards.ie.php?bus=27b
    http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~markpb/dta/traffic/boards.ie.php?bus=46a,20b,27b

    Obviously it's only a beta so all the routes are the same colour and we'll need to build a proper UI around it but it's a start. I haven't converted any other bus routes yet but if anyone else sends me KML files I'll put them up as soon as I can.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,342 ✭✭✭markpb




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭irlrobins


    Nice one!

    So come on people, get busy!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    irlrobins wrote:
    The intention is to release one map with all routes on it. Releasing one route at a time is pointless. So people plot a route, upload the coordinates here and markpb will (hopefully) plot it on his map. That make sense?


    although I wish no harm to marpb he could get hit by a bus in the morning?

    people may want to use just one route in other purpose or project I don't see the need to lock them behind an api on mark's webpage and preventing people from loading the routes into googleearth and uploading the kmz up on the google community, thats what is there for. I posted the 46a route in the exp&temp forum as example. It was also notify other Irish google earth users to project beyond boards and they may help add to it and prevent them repeating the work as I already said. :confused:

    31 http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=experiment&Number=787116

    25 http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=experiment&Number=788731

    49a http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=experiment&Number=868387

    17 http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=experiment&Number=868388


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭irlrobins


    Well admittedly the primary aim of this project was to produce a map with the DB routes plotted on it that a user could select at will. It wasn't to be a library of KML files.

    Having said that, I'm sure it's possible to be able to provide the data to anyone at a later stage, but that would be a secondary aim.

    And if people attach their KML files here, then they are freely available to anyone who needs them, in much the same fashion as yours are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,342 ✭✭✭markpb


    Would it suit if I added a (password protected) page on the site that allowed people - you guys - to upload KML files for new routes or replace existing KML files if routes turn out to be incorrect? I can do that tonight and upload those routes that lostexpectation linked to.

    If this goes well and get enough interest, we should probably consider hosting it somewhere else so that a few people can log in, make changes, look after it, etc. I'd have no objections to moving it elsewhere so it can be a proper group project, it's current incarnation is only a stop-gap measure to get us up and running.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    Well admittedly the primary aim of this project was to produce a map with the DB routes plotted on it that a user could select at will. It wasn't to be a library of KML files.

    Having said that, I'm sure it's possible to be able to provide the data to anyone at a later stage, but that would be a secondary aim.

    And if people attach their KML files here, then they are freely available to anyone who needs them, in much the same fashion as yours are.

    I read your op again and it doesn't mention that at all, it mentions doing a collaborative project on mymaps, I don't mean to be disagreeable, but it was only when markpb came along was their suggestion of having to make an api, and now hes talking about password protection?
    to produce a map with the DB routes plotted on it that a user could select at will
    this can be done on googleearths and googlemaps

    I thought the idea was to get the most people involved via the easy to use mymaps etc which is why you would post to things on google community/make them public to attract irish map makers, attaching txt files here creates a couple of steps to view it as a kmz as opposed to instantly on google bbs so people can see what were tying to do and join in otherwise it will never get finished.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,342 ✭✭✭markpb


    I thought the idea was to get the most people involved via the easy to use mymaps etc which is why you would post to things on google community/make them public to attract irish map makers, attaching txt files here creates a couple of steps to view it as a kmz as opposed to instantly on google bbs so people can see what were tying to do and join in otherwise it will never get finished.

    I'm happy to go along with whatever you guys decide and re-map my routes if needs be.

    At the moment though, I don't see how you want your idea to work. If we all use Google My Maps to map out whatever routes we know, we'll end up with a mismash of different routes on different people's accounts and no way to merge them all. If I map the 17A and you map the 41, there's no way to show those two together and see where they join. It's be great as a project because it's easy to get involved but almost useless when it's done.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    markpb wrote:
    I'm happy to go along with whatever you guys decide and re-map my routes if needs be.

    At the moment though, I don't see how you want your idea to work. If we all use Google My Maps to map out whatever routes we know, we'll end up with a mismash of different routes on different people's accounts and no way to merge them all. If I map the 17A and you map the 41, there's no way to show those two together and see where they join. It's be great as a project because it's easy to get involved but almost useless when it's done.


    I think this is just confusion I might have added to it,

    the suggestion was people could use mymaps to make the maps then save the kml to be put together elsewhere by someone with the licence, which is why irlrobin first posted, as I was trying to figure out above mymaps isn't good for putting them altogether and I wasn't suggesting that in my previous post, but you can do that in googleearth (or simply c+p the coords from the files) and make them available for people to download them off the google community and they can all viewable and clickable in googlearth and googlemaps (and mymaps). Im asking why only allow it be viewed on a web page behind an api and not on all 3 the api, googleearth and googlemaps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭irlrobins


    I think because Mark's API allows the user to select what routes to plot. With MyMaps we would have to show all routes, or just a single route per MyMap (which is rather messy). Correct me if I'm wrong on this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,342 ✭✭✭markpb


    Im asking why only allow it be viewed on a web page behind an api and not on all 3 the api, googleearth and googlemaps.
    irlrobins wrote:
    I think because Mark's API allows the user to select what routes to plot. With MyMaps we would have to show all routes, or just a single route per MyMap (which is rather messy). Correct me if I'm wrong on this.

    There's no reason why both those aims can't be achieved. Once we collect all the KML files, we could easily publish them either on the same site or or Google Community. We could also combine them into one massive KML file and publish that too. Anything's possible once people contribute.

    And yes, the main advantage (as I would see it) is that it allows us to make the data more useful. People can choose which routes they'd like to see at one time among other things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,859 ✭✭✭SteM


    I hope this works but I think this the .kml route for the 77A.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,523 ✭✭✭daymobrew


    I was just told about DublinCityBus.com.
    It has a reasonable number of routes already listed and has a facility to add more.
    I don't know who owns the site (registered to someone with a French email address).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 davecahill


    Just stumbled on this thread from Google - it's brilliant that people are taking it on to sort the lack of bus route info themselves.

    DublinCityBus looks pretty cool - in any case it worked well for what I was looking for.

    One note on the one / several maps issue: If you make each route a separate map, people can search "46a dublin" in google maps and get a single, targeted map back...

    Also, once this is sorted, the next step is to start campaigning for signs with bus arrival times - nothing worse than standing around like an eejit at a bus stop when the next one might not arrive for an hour!

    Dave.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    daymobrew wrote:
    I was just told about DublinCityBus.com.
    It has a reasonable number of routes already listed and has a facility to add more.
    I don't know who owns the site (registered to someone with a French email address).

    oh where'd you find out about that?

    time to write him a nice email to see if he wants to share his work, ah googling him you can see its part of DCU project

    wow ability to add routes aswell quite clever

    he has 33 routes I think, I wonder when he did it, it was just entered into the 2007 DCU MPS Hyperion awards I see via spoiltchild so it must been recent enough, he has the luas aswell, I know that luas and dart and train were done ages ago I have the file but I can't find the link to it. the fille was named dublin_transport.kmz Im going to put it up again under the temp category it was done in 2005 I think so I dont know why it hasn't been incorporated into googleearth's layer.

    http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=experiment&Number=874967


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭irlrobins


    daymobrew wrote:
    I was just told about DublinCityBus.com.
    It has a reasonable number of routes already listed and has a facility to add more.
    I don't know who owns the site (registered to someone with a French email address).
    Damn, that looks good. Kinda makes my idea a bit redundant. But he might like help with other routes and he provides the ability to add routes it seems.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 dutchhippy


    hey, I'm working on a college project making a website that will show the locations of buses on a map. I have a full website pretty much working using google maps but the main bit of the project is to make a site thats accessible by mobile phones so ppl can use it anywhere...
    Just wondering what ye think of the idea of being able to view live locations of the buses from your mobile phone?

    When my project is over i'll give ye a hand if i can!

    (GPS coordinates of the buses are simulated for now of course.)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,523 ✭✭✭daymobrew


    I am going to write to the DTO to ask for access to some old bus stop location data that they have. It might be useful data to include in this project (or to add to DublinCityBus.com).
    I also heard that Dublin Bus are working on a project for online info. I will also contact them.

    I won't say where I heard these things in case the DTO and Dublin Bus would rather the info was not publicised.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    he done routes


    1
    10
    103
    11
    114
    11a
    11b
    120
    121
    122
    123
    13
    130
    13a
    15
    15a
    15c
    16
    17
    172
    17a
    19
    19a
    201
    237
    25a
    31
    37
    39
    42b
    46a
    49
    50
    59
    65
    66
    65a
    69
    7
    746
    75
    77a
    90
    92

    I tried to do route 2 even though I don't know it, most of the routes I know are done, I submitted it and its uder review, see what response It'll get.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,523 ✭✭✭daymobrew


    daymobrew wrote:
    I am going to write to the DTO to ask for access to some old bus stop location data that they have.
    I posted my letter to DTO yesterday (Wednesday 9 May). I'll let you know what the response it.

    Looking at lostexpectation's list, I don't know the routes that s/he hasn't done.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    the dublincitybus has been updated and changed to http://mkmap.com/dublin
    seems to have done alot of work on the making this a complete solution, eirepremuer describes it as startup has he gone into business?


    it doesn't seem to have more then 35 bus routes but again it expects people to get off their ass and add more, still I think not sharing the routes will discourage poeple from getting involved...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭art


    I noticed one of the "Points of Interest" is Lucan - I wouldn't have thought Lucan was all that interesting but according to the map it's situated right across from James Street Hospital so I guess that's a bit interesting.... ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,523 ✭✭✭daymobrew


    City center
    American spelling :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    there's been a few posts deleted here - anyone know why?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭irlrobins


    They were referencing a spam posting.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭Peter B


    Old thread but wondering has this been done? Otherwise thinking I might have a bash at it myself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭JDxtra




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