[MOTU] alien abductions in ireland

Irish people are more educated about sleep paralysis and its neurological effects??

We used to have apparitions/moving statues/dancing suns, etc. Once that wears off, we might get the alien abduction stuff...?

Cause we are the aliens. Sure who else can drink and drink and drink and drink.

s.m wrote: »

find it strange how this is hardly mentioned in ireland but in places like the us and uk ?
can anyone shed any light on it ?

Not sure i believe most of the cases of it anywhere, but the Betty and Barney Hill case was interesting. The 1975 film of the book starring James Earl Jones still terrifies me. And, its available to watch on youtube.



Personally, i think most, if not all of the rest are copycatting Betty and Barney. There are a few exceptions which are extremely hard to explain or unexplainable imo, like Whitley Strieber who's a complete and utter mentalcase but there are/were witnesses to the events during his abductions. Then there's Travis Walton again with witnesses and anytime i've seen him presenting or being interviewed he appears to be a fairly grounded person (pun not intended).

Then there's the likes of Dr. Stephen Greer, who's a complete fruitcake, and entirely unbelievable in everything he says. If he said the sky was blue i still wouldn't believe him. As for the little known ones, they're a dime a dozen and usually have a hook that hasnt been used before which is designed to either repulse or horrify the reader/viewer and generally they are the ones that are solely out to get fame/notoriety or money out of making eejits out of themselves.

Thing is, if this phenomenon was/is real it's got so much bad press and fakers and let's face it.. idiots and incredibly financially prudent psychologists taking advantage of it that you could never take it seriously, not even with a grain of salt.

I'd suggest watching the UFO incident above. I think that's about as good as any account and creepy as hell as it was the first of it's kind back in the day, and probably has some truth in it, even if it wasn't an alien abduction.

s.m wrote: »

find it strange how this is hardly mentioned in ireland but in places like the us and uk ?
can anyone shed any light on it ?

My theory is as so.
1% of the american population believing in something is around 3.3 million people with access to the internet being able to make youtube videos and explain their theorys on the internets so the rest of us can see/read them

1% of the irish population is like 30,000 people its unlikely you will hear anything from them unless your actively looking

I think its more "crazy" to believe that nothing else in the entire universe possibly exist beyond us.So to me anyway its worth investigating peoples claims but always from the view point of why the christ would a race capable of crossing the galaxy want to probe a farmer in bumble**** nowhere america or randomly troll small aircraft first.

My post was just to answer why we dont hear about it much in ireland

degrassinoel wrote: »

Then there's the likes of Dr. Stephen Greer, who's a complete fruitcake, and entirely unbelievable in everything he says. If he said the sky was blue i still wouldn't believe him. As for the little known ones, they're a dime a dozen and usually have a hook that hasnt been used before which is designed to either repulse or horrify the reader/viewer and generally they are the ones that are solely out to get fame/notoriety or money out of making eejits out of themselves.

I spent about a year or so absolutely believing the stuff Greer put out because I found him so convincing! Fairly far fetched stuff though I'll admit..

Is his movie out yet? I was getting updates about progress but have heard nothing for a while..

degrassinoel wrote: »

It is yeah, the one with the little alien he "found" - sorry but my opinion of him being any kind of professional with affairs like that are extremely low. I watched the film and thought even less of him after it.

Anyways, going off topic, i could rant about how much i think he's a money grubbing douchebag that preys on people who want to believe in a little bit more than what's on the menu, but i wont

What Zenno says is right too, anyone openly admitting to phenomenon like that here would be stigmatised by it for the rest of their lives, you'd probably get away with it in a bigger country but it'd haunt you here indefinitely.

Must watch it so! Do you think he is deranged then or just greedy? Utterly fascinating from a psychological perspective either way..
Have you seen his £1500+ expedition on YouTube where they're all in a field and he uses his laser to point out an invisible spaceship?

Apologies for going if topic btw..

I can't remember where I heard this but an interesting alternative explanation for the alien abduction phenomenon is that it could be a 21St century model of what used to be the 'fairy realm'
Maybe this is something that becomes a part of the collective unconscious and then the individuals minds way of interpreting extraordinary experiences..

Did anyone see the documentary about the teenage exorcists? There was a woman at their English event that had been depressed for months, convinced in her mind that there was a demon inside her. She was literally crippled prior to the event and went along with the intention of exorcising this 'demon'
At the event she became 'demonic' temporarily and expended a massive amount of energy in a short time. Of course the exorcists were doingtheir song and dance around her with their crosses but really she was doing all the work.
I couldn't help but think this was just a woman with some pent up rage or something who needed an outlet and basically used her beliefs and the facility of the event to 'exorcise' the feeling and basically heal herself. She was absolutely fine afterwards.
It made me really think about just how much your beliefs shape your reality. This woman seemed completely sane to me.

anyway I thought it might be a relevant other way at looking at why the abduction thing is specific to certain areas

does anyone here know anyone who has had an abduction experience? I know there is one guy on the forum who has..

degrassinoel wrote: »

There was mention of that in his new video alright. he's either very smart of very crazy. Smart in the sense that he's free to make up any old story and charge people to hear it, and people do pay to hear his crap and pay through the nose too apparently, and crazy because there's no evidence.

Did you know he has groupies that follow him around and pay him for the privelidge? He also has well armed bodyguards. You get to see them in the video, not sure if it was intentional or not but you can clearly see some guy following him around in almost every shot with a handgun holstered at his hip.

He also says that alien abductions are always benevolent acts. Which to be fair, if it was benevolent it wouldnt be called an abduction would it? lol

there's just so much wrong with what he's saying, to me anyway. He comes across to me as a religious cult leader rather than a whistleblower with hard or any kind of evidence. The little alien thing he had studied by an independent source was and is sham imo. Sure see the video for yourself, i seen it on youtube a few months ago before it was taken down, but ye might find it there again.

I didn't know he had body guards but did hear him say in some interview that attempts had been made to assassinate him.

The first time i came across him was the project Camelot interview where I thought he actually came across really well but that was mostly I think down to the fact the interviewer came across so badly. I got hooked in by the transcendental meditation and free energy bit but once I saw the photograph cseti released of the supposed ET that visited their camp I completely lost interest.
Will check out the sirius documentary and see what the latest is

I think cult leader is the best way of describing him now alright. Still if someone handed me a free ticket to one of his UK getogethers I'd be there with bells on..id say it's a hoot!

there was a fella abducted in 1996 or thereabouts apparently, at st patricks chair and well up near aughnacloy in tyrone

zenno wrote: »

Does anyone really think that a sane Irish person is going to splurt out to anyone that they had an alien abduction .

I know of someone who claimed to me to have been abducted regularly and that they had marks on their body as a result.

I believe they belived it but i do not belive it happened. i did not see the marks but believe they had them. i do not know what the marks were but were not from abduction anyway

In my opinion anyone who belives in alien abduction has mental issues. The reason they will not tell people is not fear of ridicule, it is because they know deep down they are not real experiences. If they fully believed in the experience they would not care about ridicule

Myrddin wrote: »

So without seeing the marks, you're happy enough to conclude it isn't true? Why?

because i do not belive in alien abductions. i do believe the ,arks existed

Mental issues? I guess it's ok to believe in religious deities etc though without being accused of having mental issues? Are you aware of the caliber of some people who believe in the phenomenon, & in fact profess to have been abducted....test pilots, decorated military officers, politicians, police officers...the list goes on. I suppose having 'mental issues' must be more prevalent in society than I imagined.

That is an appeal to authority i think is that the term? Just because they are decorated/police/pilots etc does not make them infallible