Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12-Jan 2012 onwards

djPSB · 04-03-2012 3:52pm

ASOT wrote: »

Why couldnt we have signed pogrebnyak

It's easy say that after he's scored 3 in 3.

daingeanrob · 04-03-2012 3:54pm

i would hate to see rafa there, it is a virtually no-win situation like his last post. he needs to increase his reputation, another disaster and people will question his ability for the big time.

Lawrence1895 · 04-03-2012 4:06pm

daingeanrob wrote: »

i would hate to see rafa there, it is a virtually no-win situation like his last post. he needs to increase his reputation, another disaster and people will question his ability for the big time.

His reputation is not that bad, imo...but it seems to be on the European stage only :rolleyes:

5starpool · 04-03-2012 4:14pm

First Anfield game I've been at in about 20 matches in total that we've lost.

Charlie Adam should fúck off back to Blackpool or wherever the fúck he wants. Himself and Downing seemed to be having a "who can be the ****test" dead ball competition yesterday. Downing tried hard, but Adam won hands down. Spearing and Skrtel were our best players yesterday imo, although Suarez did well a lot of the time as well.

The last 3 games I've been at were 0-0, 0-0 and 1-2, with no Liverpool player scoring. Shocking. There was general bemusement that Kenny wouldn't make a change. Even though we had the ball a lot, in the second half we had very little cuting edge, with Kelly's chance about it in terms of proper chances, so we needed to do something. For most of the second half Maxi, Carroll and Bellamy were in the same area warming up and I just wanted any of them to come on, although Bellamy would have been first choice. At the final whistle there was what I'd call resigned silence just. No booing, just lots of downcast people leaving not shocked at how the game played out.

Tusky · 04-03-2012 4:57pm

We have scored less goals than Man City, Man Utd, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, Newcastle, West Brom, Norwich, Sunderland, Fulham and Blackburn. We have scored the same as Swansea, Wolves and Aston Villa. We do not have a single player in the 20 top scorers either. Shocking.

amacachi · 04-03-2012 5:09pm

Tusky wrote: »

We have scored less goals than Man City, Man Utd, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, Newcastle, West Brom, Norwich, Sunderland, Fulham and Blackburn. We have scored the same as Swansea, Wolves and Aston Villa. We do not have a single player in the 20 top scorers either. Shocking.

I posted in the Arsenal thread that despite Arsenal being a one-man team they've scored as many league goals not counting Van Persie's as Liverpool have. Liverpool have had a couple of OGs, Arsenal have had none. How much should/would Liverpool be willing to spend to get a scorer?

Phoenix Park · 04-03-2012 5:13pm

amacachi wrote: »

I posted in the Arsenal thread that despite Arsenal being a one-man team they've scored as many league goals not counting Van Persie's as Liverpool have. Liverpool have had a couple of OGs, Arsenal have had none. How much should/would Liverpool be willing to spend to get a scorer?

£25/30 million minimum for one striker plus big wages. Thats what it takes, i'm not saying we have it. If we stopped spunking 20 mil on players like Downing and obscene cash on Carroll it would be feasible.

amacachi · 04-03-2012 5:28pm

Obviously I'm going to be accused of stirring/trolling but it I were a Liverpool fan I'd see the last year or so as a huge missed opportunity. Big clearout but a massive waste of the proceeds.

Luap · 04-03-2012 5:37pm

Cavani is our man.

5starpool · 04-03-2012 5:45pm

amacachi wrote: »

Obviously I'm going to be accused of stirring/trolling but it I were a Liverpool fan I'd see the last year or so as a huge missed opportunity. Big clearout but a massive waste of the proceeds.

There is zero doubt that most of the money that was spent was spent badly. However, I don't think any of the players signed, despite their transfer fees, are on the type of wages that would be needed to attract the upper echelon of players. If this summer sees similar level players targeted, then I will be very disappointed.

hadepsx · 04-03-2012 6:01pm

5starpool wrote: »

If this summer sees similar level players targeted, then I will be very disappointed.

and then we will be fooked as a club, wheres the ambition in that. the owners need to put their money where their mouth is

Rekop dog · 04-03-2012 6:05pm

Maloney_o9 wrote: »

Cavani is our man.

He'll only leave Napoli for CL football, Napoli making a late push for Champions league themselves so he could well stay. Not a hope in hell Liverpool get him.

G.K. · 04-03-2012 6:08pm

djPSB wrote: »

It's easy say that after he's scored 3 in 3.

5 in 3

Jesus Wept · 04-03-2012 6:18pm

First result in my projections has panned out, Newcastle v Sunderland - Draw.

OwaynOTT · 04-03-2012 6:37pm

The-Rigger wrote: »

First result in my projections has panned out, Newcastle v Sunderland - Draw.

Well that confirms the predictions will work out for me so.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 04-03-2012 6:56pm

The-Rigger wrote: »

I've taken the liberty of projecting the results between now and the end of March for the teams battling it out for coveted 4th position.

The points take from each game for each of the teams listed is listed under 'Points'.

LFC CFC ARS NewC
Points Points Points Points
3 Sunderland v Liverpool 1 Chelsea v Stoke 1 Arsenal v Newcastle 1 Newcastle v Sunderland
3 Liverpool v Everton 0 Man City v Chelsea 1 Everton v Arsenal 1 Arsenal v Newcastle
3 QPR v Liverpool 1 Chelsea v Tottenham 1 Arsenal v Aston Villa 3 Newcastle v Norwich
3 Liverpool v Wigan 1 Aston Villa v Chelsea 3 QPR v Arsenal 0 West Brom v Newcastle

Which will leave the end of March Premier League Table as follows:

Pos Team P GD Pts

4th Arsenal 31 ? 55
5th Liverpool 30 9 51
6th Chelsea 31 ? 49
7th Newcastle 31 ? 48

It's the Wigan match I think you're being optimistic about.

G.K. · 04-03-2012 7:00pm

Why do you think people will drop points against villa?

Sideshow Mark · 04-03-2012 7:08pm

The-Rigger wrote: »

I've taken the liberty of projecting the results between now and the end of March for the teams battling it out for coveted 4th position.

I'll be amazed if we beat Wigan and Sunderland.

Jesus Wept · 04-03-2012 7:18pm

Set your faces to stunned.

Handsome Bob · 04-03-2012 8:18pm

amacachi wrote: »

Obviously I'm going to be accused of stirring/trolling but it I were a Liverpool fan I'd see the last year or so as a huge missed opportunity. Big clearout but a massive waste of the proceeds.

I'm more offended by the idea that you think that we'd be offended by what you've said.

5starpool · 04-03-2012 8:26pm

G.K. wrote: »

Why do you think people will drop points against villa?

It's not people, just The Rigger. He's 'special'. :pac:

Villa are muck.

Jesus Wept · 04-03-2012 8:53pm

5starpool wrote: »

It's not people, just The Rigger. He's 'special'. :pac:

Villa are muck.

:eek:

5starpool · 04-03-2012 9:03pm

The-Rigger wrote: »

:eek:

I hope you use those predictions in the IPB comp. Neck and neck between us at the moment on the overall season standings.

amacachi · 04-03-2012 9:11pm

Handsome Bob wrote: »

I'm more offended by the idea that you think that we'd be offended by what you've said.

Not offended, just bitchy. When anyone points out things like that or only being 1 point and 2 goals better off than the same point last season there tends to be a massive overreaction.

Jesus Wept · 04-03-2012 9:12pm

I did, my secret weapon. Thought we were both in the middle of the pack.

5starpool · 04-03-2012 9:25pm

The-Rigger wrote: »

I did, my secret weapon. Thought we were both in the middle of the pack.

I'm looking at the overall season one, not just the second half of it. We are both on 250 points.

Jesus Wept · 04-03-2012 9:34pm

I'd advise you follow my picks or you'll fall behind.

El Inho · 04-03-2012 10:07pm

The Rigger has somehow returned my optimism...

and that optimism was fúcked yesterday...

now it seems like backing the pool would just give us the best odds of a certainty
:P

citytillidie · 04-03-2012 10:21pm

Just back from the game

Adam was really bad in not knowing what to do.

As for Downing his corners were crap, I also think he does more harm than good with Luis Enrquie. I mean there were times he was blocking off his runs instead of helping him by creating space

dannydiamond · 04-03-2012 10:29pm

I've just been looking over the league table, it makes for some grim reading.
We're only 4 points ahead of Norwich and West Brom ffs.:(

It breaks my heart to think where we could be with a top class goal scorer after paying 35 mil for Andy Carroll.

Can you imagine the difference the likes of a Torres in his prime could have made?
We're in serious danger of finishing 9th or 10th, sigh.

Jimmy Iovine · 04-03-2012 10:30pm

Benitez is coming to Trinity to give a talk tomorrow.

http://tcdphil.com/?p=810

Champions League winning manager Rafael Benitez will speak to the Phil Society this coming Monday at 7pm in the GMB.

Mr. Benitez is to accept the Gold Medal of Honorary Patronage from The Phil for his outstanding contribution to sport. Benitez, one of Europe’s most successful and celebrated football managers, will make an address entitled, “Belief, Determination and Success” and then take questions from the floor.

A lavish reception will follow in the GMB. As always, this event is free for all members.

K-9 · 04-03-2012 10:35pm

Kess73 wrote: »

In the league? No.

We have not even won three in a row in the league this season.

We have won two games in a row in the league only three times this season.

As well as having only won two games from the last ten, we have also lost four games during the same period, so out of a possible thirty points, we have taken ten.

10 points out of 30? Seriously, FFS! Hodgson level of form, the Cup games the only saving grace.

Even the unbeaten at home stat is gone, for all the good it was.

We've still the best run in of all the top 7 but 4th just aint going to happen and I don't think anybody, including the team or management believe so.

monkey9 · 04-03-2012 10:50pm

I can't believe we're only on 39 points. I saw that last night and hadn't realised our points tally was so low!

Sappy404 · 04-03-2012 10:50pm

dannydiamond wrote: »

I've just been looking over the league table, it makes for some grim reading.
We're only 4 points ahead of Norwich and West Brom ffs.:(

It breaks my heart to think where we could be with a top class goal scorer after paying 35 mil for Andy Carroll.

Can you imagine the difference the likes of a Torres in his prime could have made?
We're in serious danger of finishing 9th or 10th, sigh.

The thing is, this time last season we didn't really have any problems scoring goals while Carroll wasn't fully fit. An attack of Maxi, Kuyt, and Suarez were banging them in. The real changes came in midfield, with Henderson, Adam and Downing all playing most matches but contributing little by way of goals even if statistically chances are being created.

We've added a 21-year-old who was living with his mum when at his old club, playing mostly out of his best position and with a huge pricetag hanging over him; an average playmaker making a massive step up who was apparently signed based on a 6-month purple patch; and a winger who season after season has ranged from notably excellent to bafflingly useless based entirely on confidence and whether or not he fancies it that week.

And then we sold Meireles to boot. Thank god we got Bellamy.

missingtime · 04-03-2012 10:55pm

@JenChang88: Fletcher at £12M-£15M+ price Wolves wanted was overpriced, but with relegation, good value around £8M. Wouldn't surprise to see him in red.

Leiva · 04-03-2012 10:57pm

Just like the start of the season we played with a air of freedom on Saturday when everything didn't have to go through Gerrard in the middle .

Its a hard one to call and dismiss his qualities but I'm starting to think we do better without him .

willmunny1990 · 04-03-2012 11:01pm

K-9 wrote: »

10 points out of 30? Seriously, FFS! Hodgson level of form, the Cup games the only saving grace.

Even the unbeaten at home stat is gone, for all the good it was.

We've still the best run in of all the top 7 but 4th just aint going to happen and I don't think anybody, including the team or management believe so.

The Cup defiantly bought King Kenny more time IMO.

Serious questions would have to be asked if ye didn't win that, i know ye stumbled to the victory but a win is a win.

Only a point and two goals better off than last year...Anyone bar King Kenny would be scrutinized by the Liverpool faithful.

King Kenny isn't the man to take the pool any further IMO, he's a dinosaur who's out of tune with the modern game.

King Kenny is a hero to the pool fans but he wont ever get Liverpool challenging for major honors, i also doubt he'd ever be capable of getting ye a top four finish.

CSF · 04-03-2012 11:02pm

mixednuts wrote: »

Just like the start of the season we played with a air of freedom on Saturday when everything didn't have to go through Gerrard in the middle .

Its a hard one to call and dismiss his qualities but I'm starting to think we do better without him .

But you lost.

Phoenix Park · 04-03-2012 11:05pm

missingtime wrote: »

@JenChang88: Fletcher at £12M-£15M+ price Wolves wanted was overpriced, but with relegation, good value around £8M. Wouldn't surprise to see him in red.

Ideal player if we want another season like this one.

Turtyturd · 04-03-2012 11:05pm

Keep going Willy...I think we might be making progress on your issues with LFC.

dannydiamond · 04-03-2012 11:09pm

Hoki wrote: »

Cant see us getting 3 points from Sunderland the way they're playing recently , id take a point there tbh.

This single sentance sums up where we are.:(

royaler83 · 04-03-2012 11:16pm

monkey9 wrote: »

I can't believe we're only on 39 points. I saw that last night and hadn't realised our points tally was so low!

One more win and yer near enough safe for another year

Leiva · 04-03-2012 11:18pm

willmunny1990 wrote: »

The Cup defiantly bought King Kenny more time IMO.

Serious questions would have to be asked if ye didn't win that, i know ye stumbled to the victory but a win is a win.

Only a point and two goals better off than last year...Anyone bar King Kenny would be scrutinized by the Liverpool faithful.

King Kenny isn't the man to take the pool any further IMO, he's a dinosaur who's out of tune with the modern game.

King Kenny is a hero to the pool fans but he wont ever get Liverpool challenging for major honors, i also doubt he'd ever be capable of getting ye a top four finish.

Have you been to the Blue Oyster again ?

A glutton for punishment our Willy is , or maybe it's just the shambles , embarrassment , managerless , seedy , souless , shananigans that is currently going on at his club that has him down .

Leiva · 04-03-2012 11:19pm

CSF wrote: »

But you lost.

And ? .. Your point

dannydiamond · 04-03-2012 11:22pm

Lol Rigger, I've just finished reading through the thread, I certainly admire the optimism but we're in a position at the moment that we could conceiveably finish in the bottom half of the table.

It's all about the FA cup now. I'd also like to see a couple of the 'fringe' players get some gametime in the league. Coates needs some gametime, we need to start preparing for next season.

Kess73 · 04-03-2012 11:23pm

Sappy404 wrote: »

The thing is, this time last season we didn't really have any problems scoring goals while Carroll wasn't fully fit. An attack of Maxi, Kuyt, and Suarez were banging them in. The real changes came in midfield, with Henderson, Adam and Downing all playing most matches but contributing little by way of goals even if statistically chances are being created.

We've added a 21-year-old who was living with his mum when at his old club, playing mostly out of his best position and with a huge pricetag hanging over him; an average playmaker making a massive step up who was apparently signed based on a 6-month purple patch; and a winger who season after season has ranged from notably excellent to bafflingly useless based entirely on confidence and whether or not he fancies it that week.

And then we sold Meireles to boot. Thank god we got Bellamy.

Playing mostly out of his best position? How so? He has played more games in a midfield or CAM role for Liverpool than he has at RM where he played most of his games over two seasons for Sunderland. He played very few games at Sunderland in CM.

Cannot really disagree with the thrust of your post though.

willmunny1990 · 04-03-2012 11:24pm

mixednuts wrote: »

Have you been to the Blue Oyster again ?

A glutton for punishment our Willy is , or maybe it's just the shambles , embarrassment , managerless , seedy , souless , shananigans that is currently going on at his club that has him down .

I'm not down at all really, for all our problems at the moment we are still ahead of Liverpool in the league and are in contention for a CL spot unlike the Pool.

dannydiamond · 04-03-2012 11:26pm

willmunny1990 wrote: »

in contention for a CL .

Little Fluffy Clouds.

Outkast_IRE · 04-03-2012 11:30pm

Coates needs to get a run of games from now till the end of the season , carragher can stay on the bench as far as im concerned till season end then give him a hint to retire/coaching job.
i honestly wouldnt like to be saying concentrate on FA cup , i think its important to chase every win to finsh as high as possible to instill some self belief before next season.

Sasquatch76 · 04-03-2012 11:36pm

willmunny1990 wrote: »

I'm not down at all really, for all our problems at the moment we are still ahead of Liverpool in the league and are in contention for a CL spot unlike the Pool.

Wait, whoa there willy, this could be a breakthrough in your case.... You were actually able to admit that you gauge Chelsea's success by comparing them to Liverpool? We're making real progress this session. Well done you!

But I'm afraid that's time for today.

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12-Jan 2012 onwards

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