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Diesel Car

  • 30-10-2014 2:48pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭


    Hi everyone

    Last year i posted up this conundrum

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=86454849

    in the end, the rav4 went after it took the roof from the house in a storm, and we now have a 1 series bmw which the wife likes very much (and i actually do too).

    It has its little bits and pieces to be done, but not too worried.


    However, regarding the BMW e60 - this has become an issue.

    i changed jobs and i am now commuting from dublin to trim everyday.

    my round trip is 120km per day on the motorway and also trips to ucd and elsewhere when i get home in evenings.

    i am using about 70-80 euros petrol (before prices went down).

    mileage is increasing, and ive put in 900 euros to fix the e60 over the last 3 months.



    I am now seriously considering that i need to change the e60 to a diesel. i kept it because its comfortable and automatic.

    but my left leg will have to deal with a manual and ill have to drop comfort, because i am going to end up killing the car - and fixing it aint going to be cheap.


    i can put in 2k cash with what i get for the bmw.


    what would people recommend for a diesel, i dont care how old, as long as its comfortable, not much road or tyre noise, is somewhat economical and doesnt go over 2.2 - 2.5 L engine.

    trading it in would be the simplest solution, but i might be putting the e60 on donedeal anyway to see. what could i be looking for it?


    2004 e60 2.2L, 135000km, FSH, always looked after by chelmsford motors, NCT 05.15, Tax 10/14

    Car needs nothing, 1 scratch on a panel from a key.


    Thanks for your help.


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Comments

  • Registered Users Posts: 298 ✭✭nerobert


    If you like your current car then I would place an ad on adverts looking for a swap for your e60 for a diesel e60 and maybe you could put the 2k towards getting a better spec or higher year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭Moneymaker


    Why not get an E60 diesel? Should be doable with your budget and they don't suffer from the infamous timing chain issues.

    Otherwise a Passat/Octavia 1.9 should do grand. Avoid Honda and Mazda diesels of that era.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Spipov


    are we looking at a 525d or 530d? im pretty sure 520d is way over budget.

    how much could i realistically be looking at my e60 trade in/private sale?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭Moneymaker


    Around 3k, maybe 4k i'd say.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27 magic123


    OP convert your car to lpg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭toyotaavensis


    magic123 wrote: »
    OP convert your car to lpg
    +1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Spipov


    not keen on that. a minimum of 1000 euros spend to do the conversion, no place for spare wheel, having to travel distance to get to lpg station to fill up (which is not always feasible with my work), and also the mpg is not great on lpg (18-22).

    the only saving is on prices paid. i know i wouldnt be keen on buying a car that has been converted to lpg myself.


    in the end, if i have to, ill stick with the e60 as i know it and know whats been repaired etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭toyotaavensis


    You should get about 80-90% of the mpg you get on petrol. So if your car was doing 50mpg you should get 40-45 on lpg if it is installed correctly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Spipov


    have started looking again as the options for diesels that are large and comfy for long distances. the e60 is struggling again.


    im starting to look at 525ds. not a lot of option around to be honest. i am really not going to be able to afford anything over 2.5l.

    advice?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭toyotaavensis


    OP have you thought of the skoda superb. I know the brand is rubbish but my mother has an 04 with the 1.9L VAG diesel. It is not the worst car in the world and they can be got for a reasonable price. Only downside is that a lot of them have galactic milage.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Spipov


    1.9 vags are not a bad idea. the worry is that yes, they have mileage, and you are never totally sure which ones have been taxis or have actually been abused either.


    we had a golf 5 before, and im not the most enamoured with vag stuff, but will consider it. (my trusted mechanic hates them, and is a bmw specialist tho - which explains some of my bias.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭toyotaavensis


    I am possibly biased but you could consider an avensis. All those taxi drivers cant be wrong. Steer clear of the 2.2 D-Cat and ex taxis with two or three trips to the moon on the clock and you could get something good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,295 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Volvo S60 D5?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭commited


    bazz26 wrote: »
    Volvo S60 D5?

    +1 but expand search to include S80 & V70 as when they start to get that old, it's best to buy on condition!

    Try and get a euro 3 model (up to about mid-05) in manual - 50+mpg should be easily achievable in comfort and decent reliability.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Spipov


    commited wrote: »
    +1 but expand search to include S80 & V70 as when they start to get that old, it's best to buy on condition!

    Try and get a euro 3 model (up to about mid-05) in manual - 50+mpg should be easily achievable in comfort and decent reliability.

    Will need to trade in the e60 520 though as I don't think privately it will sell well.

    Anybody know what mpg the e60 525d is? THE 520 is 8l / 100 km motor way and 12l / 100km city driving


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Seweryn


    Spipov wrote: »
    Anybody know what mpg the e60 525d is? THE 520 is 8l / 100 km motor way and 12l / 100km city driving
    You can deduct 2l from each of the above figures for the 525d.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Spipov


    thoughts on Jaguar X Type 2.0D SE (2005)?

    Anything i should look at?im going to go and have a look and feel of one tomorrow to see if its interesting...


  • Registered Users Posts: 182 ✭✭Dools2007


    Spipov wrote: »
    thoughts on Jaguar X Type 2.0D SE (2005)?

    Anything i should look at?im going to go and have a look and feel of one tomorrow to see if its interesting...

    Would also be interested in people's views on these cars.

    I believe they have a ford mondeo engine in them so service costs are a little cheaper but just wondering has anyone had any experience with other costs when maintaining these cars?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭commited


    Spipov wrote: »
    thoughts on Jaguar X Type 2.0D SE (2005)?

    Anything i should look at?im going to go and have a look and feel of one tomorrow to see if its interesting...
    Fair bit of a stepback from your E60.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,413 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Knew of one an 05 that needed 2 injectors with only 40 or 50k on it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Spipov


    commited wrote: »
    Fair bit of a stepback from your E60.


    Exactly what the dealer said. Didnt go for it, as he said my e60 was still better.

    Still looking. Car is going in for some work tomorrow so ill know if its worth keeping then


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭commited


    Spipov wrote: »
    Will need to trade in the e60 520 though as I don't think privately it will sell well.
    A dealer is hardly going to give you a good price for a car that is hard to sell! You say your car is 135,000km but I assume you mean miles as it's an 04? If so, the car is worth somewhere around 2500-3000 in a private sale depending on spec and condition. FSH helps a lot with private sales, as well as a good advert and being reasonably accessible for viewings. A dealer would give you less than this and wouldn't be willing to discount the car at all.

    This has been for sale for a while, I reckon a decent chunk could be taken off the top:
    http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2005-volvo-s60-2-4-diesel-new-nct-01-2016/7902778


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭TBi


    I have a e60 520i. Personally i'd keep it instead of changing to a 525d if i was looking to save money. The 525 will be a small bit more efficient but you will be hit with much more expensive fixes if something goes wrong. The turbo will go eventually, possibly the DMF and clutch. I'm not sure if the 525 has a DPF but that is something to worry about.

    You've already spent money getting the 520i back running so should last a good bit longer (make sure you get the gear box oil changed). I have a 100km round trip commute at the moment and definitely don't see the benefit of a diesel given the costs involved. For minor savings in fuel costs you have the upfront cost to change the car and then higher repair/servicing costs.

    EDIT: also the 2004 520i has a M54 engine. So will sell well to a person who knows what they are buying. These are far more reliable than the newer engines in later petrol E60's.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Spipov


    commited wrote: »
    A dealer is hardly going to give you a good price for a car that is hard to sell! You say your car is 135,000km but I assume you mean miles as it's an 04? If so, the car is worth somewhere around 2500-3000 in a private sale depending on spec and condition. FSH helps a lot with private sales, as well as a good advert and being reasonably accessible for viewings. A dealer would give you less than this and wouldn't be willing to discount the car at all.

    This has been for sale for a while, I reckon a decent chunk could be taken off the top:
    http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2005-volvo-s60-2-4-diesel-new-nct-01-2016/7902778



    no no, i meant 135k KM. full service history, have had it for 2 years, before me 1 had it 4 years, the other 3 years i think (need to check stamps).


    theres only little bits and pieces that need doing with it. im more tempted to keep it.

    diesel would have made sense yes, only if i didnt have to add a lot to change. however, any diesel im buying will be older, and therefore, will need money put in.

    ive come to the conclusion, unless theres something quite wrong with the e60 that i will keep it. changing to a diesel might be saving me about 160-200 euros estimated per month, but if i put in small money to repair this, i dont need to spend 3000+ to change to a diesel.


    Like i said, only few bits and pieces need fixing with it, but it still goes without those (eg the heater makes a blow noise, but heats up fine), the right back wheel squeaks a lot, although no safety issues, plus brake pads changed, sensors etc all good.


    those are the only 2. i can start feeling that its not as tight as it used to be 2 years ago, but heh, what car doing 600km+ per week will?


    now, im saying this, im waiting on the call to see whats wrong (oil leak) and how much itll cost to fix before eating my words :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭commited


    3 owners, FSH, just over 80k miles - should be worth around €3500-4000 to the right person, depending on spec.

    I guess you aren't keen on the S60/V70/S80, that's fair enough :) They're pretty much the only car I can suggest that will give you the same comfort, while being newer than your own car and being relatively reliable.

    There is a lot to be said for sticking with the car you know well, so as long as it's not costing you a fortune in repairs, the you may be as well to stick with the 520i :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Spipov


    commited wrote: »
    3 owners, FSH, just over 80k miles - should be worth around €3500-4000 to the right person, depending on spec.

    I guess you aren't keen on the S60/V70/S80, that's fair enough :) They're pretty much the only car I can suggest that will give you the same comfort, while being newer than your own car and being relatively reliable.

    There is a lot to be said for sticking with the car you know well, so as long as it's not costing you a fortune in repairs, the you may be as well to stick with the 520i :)

    Nice post thanks.

    Unfortunately the news arent good. I will need to change or its going to keep costing me. Has started to burn some oil more than usual. When you add everything, its going to not be worth it.

    Therefore i now need to look at a diesel witth mine + max 2500-3000.

    Im looiing at a dealers and im truthful with the issues it has.

    How are 03-04 e series? Any big issues? Ill be looing at some e46 320d as well as my mechanic is a bmw specialist.

    I sad as it was a good car though.

    I definitely need suggestions, skoda octavia and passats 05 with 1.9tdi only and any other cars.

    Might take a gander at that jag x type again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭toyotaavensis


    whats causing her to burn oil?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Spipov


    whats causing her to burn oil?

    Didnt want to open it up. Its bsd enough and getting it checked was going to cost. I trudt the mechanic. He's talked me out of changing for a while bug finally said its over today.

    I didnt geg into details but he said it would cost to get it fixed but with how im abusing the car ill run into further issues soon


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭toyotaavensis


    So what are you looking for exactly in the next car? Would you consider a petrol car as the purchase and maintainance difference will eat into the fuel savings?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Spipov


    So what are you looking for exactly in the next car? Would you consider a petrol car as the purchase and maintainance difference will eat into the fuel savings?

    Id definitely wont mind petrol. My prefernce list order

    1. Comfort
    2. Automatic?
    3. Somewhat reliable
    4. Not japanese. My wife wont let me in one as i do a lot of miles and she thinks they are thin + INSUlation not great
    5. Savings ( Running a 2.2l petrol= 951 tax + 80 euros petrol per week) so less than yhat good.
    6.. not a huge cost to change?


    Thanks. ID LIKE TO BUY from a dealer for trade in as my car not perfect and dont want to shag someone. I dont exactly kmow whats wrong.

    I welcome suggestions and nice fealers to deal with. I was getying 8l/100km


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭toyotaavensis


    Comfort+Automatic?+Somewhat reliable+Not japanese+Savings+ not a huge cost to change=Saab 9-3 with either petrol or diesel. If going diesel the flywheels give up about 100000 miles so make sure this has been done and your laughing.

    These show up in the bangernomics thread very often. Beware of cars being sold on the naas road but
    http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/07-saab-93-1-9-tid-linear-sport-automatic-paddle/8055634

    That said an 05 petrol model would go for about 3000 so maybe consider that too?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Spipov


    Comfort+Automatic?+Somewhat reliable+Not japanese+Savings+ not a huge cost to change=Saab 9-3 with either petrol or diesel. If going diesel the flywheels give up about 100000 miles so make sure this has been done and your laughing.

    These show up in the bangernomics thread very often. Beware of cars being sold on the naas road but
    http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/07-saab-93-1-9-tid-linear-sport-automatic-paddle/8055634

    That said an 05 petrol model would go for about 3000 so maybe consider that too?



    Thanks i like the saab looks. Need a dealer tho. Which saabs had engine issues?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭toyotaavensis


    the 9-3 up to 2002 and 9-5 up to 2004 but this only affected the petrols.
    The diesel is the same one that is in opels, vauxhalls, chevrolets, alfas, fiats, ...
    The petrols after 2002 in the 9-3 are opel petrol engines. Reliable units.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭TBi


    How much oil is it burning? I think it's normal for a M54 to go through a litre of oil every 2k miles.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Spipov


    2l in 10 days. ive had bmws before (this is my 5th), this is way over board. has had a check yesterday, hence the posts, no leaks, no smells, rocker cover gasket had recently been changed (1 month).


    ive killed it :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭TBi


    Ok that is too much. Unless you've done 4k miles. Bit of a shame as that is quite a good engine normally.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Spipov


    i know. cant believe i murdered that engine. and it was properly looked after as well. but i could also feel it loosen up generally, creaks etc appearing.


    search is on. really have very little clue what to get that might offer good comfort tho. i dont mind dropping in classes, my aim is to get until july 2015 with the car bearing in mind i need to trade mine in with cash.

    what do people think of the 3 ive linked above?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭toyotaavensis


    e class is empensive to fix if anything goes wrong engines are good but electrics not great
    the two octavias look ok ones auto ones manual. 5K is a lot of money for the likes of this though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Spipov


    apologies

    if going for a skoda (although lower years and less spec), could probably be with these guys as warranty given

    http://www.carsireland.ie/car-dealers/county/westmeath/mullingar-autos-ltd/detail.php?ad_id=1162053&r=s.php%3Fpp%3D50%26g%3D0%26z%3D8


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭commited


    Spipov wrote: »
    2l in 10 days. ive had bmws before (this is my 5th), this is way over board. has had a check yesterday, hence the posts, no leaks, no smells, rocker cover gasket had recently been changed (1 month).


    ive killed it :(

    Checked the CCV? Pretty notorious for causing high oil consumption. It's not a very pleasant job but I DIY'd it on my 530i without removing the intake manifold, took me about 2 hours to do the whole system. I had a split in the return pipe to the sump that was leaking oil nicely all over the place though...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Spipov


    i go to a known bmw specialist in ranelagh, some people may know who. if he says its not worth it, im going to go with him on that one. he kept if for a full day checking it and seeing if its worth doing. i didnt ask for too many details after that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Spipov


    http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/jaguar-x-type-2-0-d-se/8143953

    bought 2 bmws from these guys before. like them. full car warranty for 3-6 months (will discuss getting 6 months). taking mine as trade in.

    jag was a taxi with last owner.

    remembering that i will be running something into the ground until july. the only bad point with it that i felt was the clutch wasnt totally to my satisfaction, and id be discussing this with them. how much more can this depreciate? (i know the taxi bit isnt helping - but they were honest about it).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭commited


    Spipov wrote: »
    i go to a known bmw specialist in ranelagh, some people may know who. if he says its not worth it, im going to go with him on that one. he kept if for a full day checking it and seeing if its worth doing. i didnt ask for too many details after that.

    Ah those fellas, they managed to completely miss diagnose and mess up a job on my 530d years ago, lightened my pocket by €400 for replacing a part that didn't need to be replaced and told me to feck off when I told them they got it wrong.
    Spipov wrote: »
    remembering that i will be running something into the ground until july. the only bad point with it that i felt was the clutch wasnt totally to my satisfaction, and id be discussing this with them. how much more can this depreciate? (i know the taxi bit isnt helping - but they were honest about it).
    You'd be better off just getting a diesel Mondeo. What do you mean that you'll be running a car into the ground until July?

    It's way way way too expensive for an ex-taxi in my opinion. What are they offering as trade in?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Spipov


    commited wrote: »
    Ah those fellas, they managed to completely miss diagnose and mess up a job on my 530d years ago, lightened my pocket by €400 for replacing a part that didn't need to be replaced and told me to feck off when I told them they got it wrong.


    You'd be better off just getting a diesel Mondeo. What do you mean that you'll be running a car into the ground until July?

    It's way way way too expensive for an ex-taxi in my opinion. What are they offering as trade in?


    Used as a taxi by last owner part time. Traded in to them.

    They are fixing a number of things before sale, eg boot opener, key fob keys sticking, trip stalk, rear sensors, new battery, clutch is perfect was changed 3 months ago with dmf (receipts). Full service history, offering 3 month bumper to bumper warranty. Taxed till may 15, nct march, told me to put it in early and will fix anything needed if it comes up.

    Cost to change = 750. Ive looked at cars where my cost to change was over 2k and they were worst cars with miles++ and not worth it. Superbs and octavias 1.9 they were. Liitle history or dodgy looking and 1 month warrahty on major engine and gearcbox (is this a new thing).

    When july vomes and i look for a better car, ill probably deal with them and will get better value, which was the case for the 2 i bought from them before.

    I thinkmim buying the whole package than just the car as it is also costing me way less and have the warranty. Theyve fixed things for me that went on a bmw before, coolant tank, rocker cover in warranty no quibbles. Loaned me a car as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭toyotaavensis


    Sounds like your minds made up and you have sound logic behind your decision. Just one thing dont drive it into the ground. Do all maintainance on time and you might find you decide to keep her next summer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Spipov


    Sounds like your minds made up and you have sound logic behind your decision. Just one thing dont drive it into the ground. Do all maintainance on time and you might find you decide to keep her next summer.

    Thanks. By into the ground i mean of course ill take care of her, just that ill be putting a lot of miles on her.

    I was swayed by the whole thing more than just the car. Skoda superbs were interesting but there were a lot of unanswered qs.

    Ill try and put up pics in the today thread when i get it,its being worked on this week by them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭commited


    Sounds like you've put a bit of thought in to your decision, realistically they gave you about €2k for your car as theirs was worth no more than €2750.

    Have you checked that the tax until May isn't taxi tax? It still comes up on motortax as €95/year....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Spipov


    commited wrote: »
    Sounds like you've put a bit of thought in to your decision, realistically they gave you about €2k for your car as theirs was worth no more than €2750.

    Have you checked that the tax until May isn't taxi tax? It still comes up on motortax as €95/year....

    you are right on that.

    ill discuss this with them. had only seen the tax disc until 05/15. i know i have to re tax as private, but what implications does that have, as the car is taxed already until may?

    what should i be doing?

    i dont think i can argue with the 2k for mine, its as much as i was getting anywhere else with dealers. a p*ss poor high mileage octavia (not a taxi) from a dealer and they wanted 2.2k on top of mine. (octavia advertised 4.5k).

    another dealer for a 3900 superb wanted upwards of 2k plus mine.


    i was restricted to dealers as i said due to what i have. It was the cost to change that i was looking at, not the values of the car respectively.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Spipov


    right

    update.

    a number of months later.


    i ended up getting the jag, but it was a pile of sh*te. luckily they were nice enough, as i had bought from them before twice, and gave me back my e60. ive driven it for another 4 months. new nct till 05/16, a pile of stuff done at service.

    im still looking for a diesel, and the budget is now the car + at the most 4k.

    any recommendations?if i can sell it privately, then ill can get something private, if not ill have to take the hit and trade it in, so the budget is kinda restricted to the above.


    dont have a lot of spare time on my hands, hence the easier option of trading it in.

    edit: i was reading up the old posts in the thread again: after the service, it became quite a good car, not burning oil. needed 1.5L after 5k km. which i think was fair enough


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