Question: confiscated car

angeliukas92 · 24-03-2013 4:48pm #1

Hi guys,

I have a very big question . This week my Dads car got confiscated by the Garda, first it was an Lithuanian car , second there was nothing on it just a European insurance it was year 1986 he was waiting till she was age 30 to register only was 4 years left

and to get everything cheaper, but actually he was driving her in Ireland for 8 years and never got stopped by the Garda :cool: . So when they stopped him they said the car is over 1 year in Ireland he needs to pay VRT, insurance and tax but it cost too much money he said he doesn't want her anymore , garda said they will destroy it. But is there any fine will be issued for destroying the car ?

michael999999 · 24-03-2013 4:50pm

angeliukas92 wrote: »

Hi guys,

I have a very big question . This week my Dads car got confiscated by the Garda, first it was an Lithuanian car , second there was nothing on it just a European insurance it was year 1986 he was waiting till she was age 30 to register only was 4 years left and to get everything cheaper, but actually he was driving her in Ireland for 8 years and never got stopped by the Garda :cool: . So when they stopped him they said the car is over 1 year in Ireland he needs to pay VRT, insurance and tax but it cost too much money he said he doesn't want her anymore , garda said they will destroy it. But is there any fine will be issued for destroying the car ?

Hopefully!

And a nice big fine for mo tax, nct or insurance!

biko · 24-03-2013 4:54pm

Driving a foreign car in Ireland for 8 years? I hope they crush it.

But no, I don't think there is a fine although they should take him to court for no discs.

BRAIN FEEDs · 24-03-2013 5:00pm

biko wrote: »

Driving a foreign car in Ireland for 8 years?
I hope they crush it.

But no, I don't think there is a fine although they should take him to court for no discs.

what purpose would this serve? it would probably cost the state money in legal aid and a fine might only end up being paid to the poor box/retired solicitors fund/an garda siochana.

biko · 24-03-2013 5:02pm

The reason is for him and others around him to understand that driving a long time without for instance insurance is a bad thing and will be punished.

exaisle · 24-03-2013 5:02pm

The car has been driven here for 8 years without having road tax, VRT, correct insurance or NCT charges paid. It's quite possible that it's in a dangerous condition and that it's a danger to other road users.

I think it unlikely that anybody will have sympathy for your father.

I also think it likely that he'll be charged for driving with no tax, incorrect insurance, no NCT cert and possibly non-payment of VRT.

As far as I'm concerned, fair play to the Gardai.

Big Davey · 24-03-2013 5:02pm

angeliukas92 wrote: »

Hi guys,

I have a very big question . This week my Dads car got confiscated by the Garda, first it was an Lithuanian car , second there was nothing on it just a European insurance it was year 1986 he was waiting till she was age 30 to register only was 4 years left and to get everything cheaper, but actually he was driving her in Ireland for 8 years and never got stopped by the Garda :cool: . So when they stopped him they said the car is over 1 year in Ireland he needs to pay VRT, insurance and tax but it cost too much money he said he doesn't want her anymore , garda said they will destroy it. But is there any fine will be issued for destroying the car ?

8 years without an nct or road tax I think your father has got away quite light just getting car taken off him pity he is not hit with back fines for these. I doubt the insurance is valid either unless he was travelling back to Lithuania to get an equivalent to the nct which I doubt. I hope there is a fine for destroying the car I am getting tired of people of all nationalities coming to Ireland and thinking they are smarter than us with their little scams and bending of the rules. I bet your father collects the children's allowance for you when you were younger and any other payments he could get his hands on, I am tired very tired of these stories and there are so many it's no wonder the country is the way it is.

Big Davey · 24-03-2013 5:04pm

Ps: why would the gardai tell him to get insurance if he had "valid" European insurance as you clam ?

corktina · 24-03-2013 5:04pm

do I smell troll?

michael999999 · 24-03-2013 5:05pm

Big Davey wrote: »

8 years without an nct or road tax I think your father has got away quite light just getting car taken off him pity he is not hit with back fines for these. I doubt the insurance is valid either unless he was travelling back to Lithuania to get an equivalent to the nct which I doubt. I hope there is a fine for destroying the car I am getting tired of people of all nationalities coming to Ireland and thinking they are smarter than us with their little scams and bending of the rules. I bet your father collects the children's allowance for you when you were younger and any other payments he could get his hands on, I am tired very tired of these stories and there are so many it's no wonder the country is the way it is.

There is no insurance!

AlekSmart · 24-03-2013 5:06pm

BRAIN FEEDs wrote: »

what purpose would this serve? it would probably cost the state money in legal aid and a fine might only end up being paid to the poor box/retired solicitors fund/an garda siochana.

Things are movin on a bit in this world...;)

This lads Lithuanian Dad will I'm sure have had a few oul forms to fill in,and as such,is now very firmly writ upon the Garda and Revenue databases as a person of interest.

It narrows the field considerably for those who work at keeping it neat and tidy...

Toyotafanboi · 24-03-2013 5:06pm

do you feel that you entitled to cheat our tax and insurance laws because you are foreign or what?

why should you not have to buy tax and insurance but everybody else on this island does?

hope it gets crushed.

Big Davey · 24-03-2013 5:10pm

AlekSmart wrote: »

Things are movin on a bit in this world...;)

This lads Lithuanian Dad will I'm sure have had a few oul forms to fill in,and as such,is now very firmly writ upon the Garda and Revenue databases as a person of interest.

It narrows the field considerably for those who work at keeping it neat and tidy...

Database ? Person of interest ? I thought every case had to be treated on an individual basis and " red flagging" people was not done by gardai, revenue, welfare etc am I wrong ?

dave1982 · 24-03-2013 5:13pm

angeliukas92 wrote: »

Hi guys,

it was year 1986 he was waiting till she was age 30 to register only was 4 years left and to get everything cheaper,

He was paying nothing for the last 8 years and he was hoping to get away with it for another 4 so thats 12 years of paying NOTHING.What was he expecting in 4 years?

dybbuk · 24-03-2013 5:15pm

Nice people you are...

mathepac · 24-03-2013 5:25pm

Leave the car alone, crush the driver ...

The other proposal is like taking and illegal firearm from someone and sending it to prison while your man walks off into the sunset.

Big Davey · 24-03-2013 5:29pm

mathepac wrote: »

Leave the car alone, crush the driver ...

The other proposal is like taking and illegal firearm from someone and sending it to prison while your man walks off into the sunset.

Lol.

TGi666 · 24-03-2013 5:31pm

8 years is some going
nct (just say every 2 years) 50x4= 200
tax just say its a 1.6 so say 400 a year 400x8= 3200
vrt just say 400 again
so that is at least a 4grand saving in the last 8 years

Mar4ix · 24-03-2013 5:32pm

I think, he still may collect it (if he will consider it worth to do it), if he will pay vrt, show tax disc and insurance dockets to Garda.

I think no need rant over foreign people, as here is many local people who driving without any valid disc in window for number years, a specially down in country.

My car never was out of tax, insurance or NCT.

In every nation there is good and bad people.

Merl1n · 24-03-2013 5:44pm

More then likely the dad didn't have an Irish driving license, a lot of points if he has

He should be at least banned from driving

Big Davey · 24-03-2013 5:51pm

Mar4ix wrote: »

I think, he still may collect it (if he will consider it worth to do it), if he will pay vrt, show tax disc and insurance dockets to Garda.

I think no need rant over foreign people, as here is many local people who driving without any valid disc in window for number years, a specially down in country.

My car never was out of tax, insurance or NCT.

In every nation there is good and bad people.

A valid tax disc is bad I agree, but no Vrt paid, no nct, no insurance,no tax. Very few "local" people doing all four I would imagine.

dybbuk · 24-03-2013 5:55pm

Big Davey wrote: »

Very few "local" people doing all four I would imagine.

Yep. Der Führer always paid his tax.

Marcusm · 24-03-2013 7:12pm

May not have been any VRT to pay (change of residence) if it had been sorted upfront.

AndyTheDude · 24-03-2013 7:30pm

Big Davey wrote: »

I am getting tired of people of all nationalities coming to Ireland and thinking they are smarter than us with their little scams and bending of the rules. I bet your father collects the children's allowance for you when you were younger and any other payments he could get his hands on, I am tired very tired of these stories and there are so many it's no wonder the country is the way it is.

Right. So, Ireland got to this state because of all those pesky EEs bending the rules and doing their little scams? :rolleyes: Get a grip, dude. I know that life can get hard, but you sound desperate here...

ABajaninCork · 24-03-2013 8:36pm

Merl1n wrote: »

More then likely the dad didn't have an Irish driving license, a lot of points if he has

He should be at least banned from driving

Sorry, but this is rubbish! A Lithuanian licence is an EU licence, last time I looked. As long as the licence is valid, then the licence holder can drive on it. He does not need an Irish DL! The OP did not state whether the father has a valid licence or not. He was only talking about the car.

OTOH. I'm glad the Gards are now picking on cars other than UK ones. I'm sick of the European cars driving about there with impunity. I've never seen the Gards even pull one over, so fair play.

charlemont · 24-03-2013 8:57pm

angeliukas92 wrote: »

Hi guys,

I have a very big question . This week my Dads car got confiscated by the Garda, first it was an Lithuanian car , second there was nothing on it just a European insurance it was year 1986 he was waiting till she was age 30 to register only was 4 years left and to get everything cheaper, but actually he was driving her in Ireland for 8 years and never got stopped by the Garda :cool: . So when they stopped him they said the car is over 1 year in Ireland he needs to pay VRT, insurance and tax but it cost too much money he said he doesn't want her anymore , garda said they will destroy it. But is there any fine will be issued for destroying the car ?

There is no fine for destroying the car.. When a car is impounded it costs €125 and €35 on top for each day to get the car back. Now you can take the car back to your house on a tow truck or low loader without having to produce tax or insurance etc.

CiniO · 24-03-2013 9:10pm

biko wrote: »

Driving a foreign car in Ireland for 8 years? I hope they crush it.

But no, I don't think there is a fine although they should take him to court for no discs.

What discs do you mean of Lithuanian registered vehicle?
There is no need to display any discs.

Also OP said that her father had insurance on the car.

Only two offences here is driving a foreign registered car by resident without registering it in Ireland, and possibly driving a car without valid test (as from what I understood it didn't have a valid test).

The reason is for him and others around him to understand that driving a long time without for instance insurance is a bad thing and will be punished.

But OP said he had insurance:

second there was nothing on it just a European insurance

CiniO · 24-03-2013 9:17pm

Merl1n wrote: »

More then likely the dad didn't have an Irish driving license, a lot of points if he has

He should be at least banned from driving

Even if he had Irish licence, there is no penalty points for driving a foreign vehicle.
Also I don't think lack of valid test on foreign registered car attracts penalty points, but I might be wrong about that.

No reasons to ban someone from driving for those offences.

I know lots of people around me who do those things -
1 residents driving foreign vehicles (usually UK plates).
2. people driving without valid test.
Would you want all of them to be banned from driving and under what grounds?

biko · 24-03-2013 9:21pm

Hm, yeah you're right in that with a foreign car he doesn't need domestic discs and can stay with the car for a year. But driving here 8 years is really taken the pee.

GRMA · 24-03-2013 9:24pm

Hope they crush it, with the owner in it preferably.

Mod note, infracted

CiniO · 24-03-2013 9:31pm

biko wrote: »

Hm, yeah you're right in that with a foreign car he doesn't need domestic discs and can stay with the car for a year. But driving here 8 years is really taken the pee.

1 year is the max time limit before car must be registered, but it's kinda stupid.
If owner after coming here with a car, becomes resident, he must register it straight away.
The question is - when does he become resident.
Surely if he stays here more than 183 days in one year.
But in general, someone coming here getting job and planning to stay for good becomes resident straight away, however it would behard to prove if someone is planning to stay.
But generally sooner or later person moving to Ireland with foreign car, must register it here anyway most likely within half a year.

On the other hand there is a wrong situation for casual visitors.
F.e. my mum who come here to Ireland for a month or two every year (to visit me).
She is not resident in Ireland and never will be.
She could bring a Polish registered car with her, leave it here and use it when she is here. But car can't stay here more than 12 months without being registered. However she can't register a car in Ireland, as she is not resident here (no Irish insurer would give a policy to non-resident).
So legally, she can't have her foreign car here for more than 12 months, but also she can't register it here, as she is not resident.
Therefore she doesn't really have any option to have a car in here, except from brining it every time she comes here, which is out of the question due to too long distance to travel.
This is wrong.

CiniO · 24-03-2013 9:32pm

GRMA wrote: »

Hope they crush it, with the owner in it preferably.

Why should they.
They should follow the same procedure, as with any other resident driving foreign car.
He should be able to get a car back, when he pays vrt with arrears for not registering on time.

hawkelady · 24-03-2013 9:48pm

CiniO wrote: »

1 year is the max time limit before car must be registered, but it's kinda stupid.
If owner after coming here with a car, becomes resident, he must register it straight away.
The question is - when does he become resident.
Surely if he stays here more than 183 days in one year.
But in general, someone coming here getting job and planning to stay for good becomes resident straight away, however it would behard to prove if someone is planning to stay.
But generally sooner or later person moving to Ireland with foreign car, must register it here anyway most likely within half a year.

On the other hand there is a wrong situation for casual visitors.
F.e. my mum who come here to Ireland for a month or two every year (to visit me).
She is not resident in Ireland and never will be.
She could bring a Polish registered car with her, leave it here and use it when she is here. But car can't stay here more than 12 months without being registered. However she can't register a car in Ireland, as she is not resident here (no Irish insurer would give a policy to non-resident).
So legally, she can't have her foreign car here for more than 12 months, but also she can't register it here, as she is not resident.
Therefore she doesn't really have any option to have a car in here, except from brining it every time she comes here, which is out of the question due to too long distance to travel.
This is wrong.

Are you supporting "dads" actions??? Cause if you are , your wrong!!!
Btw, if you choose to live in this country abide by its laws.. And them is the laws so please quit the moaning.

Toyotafanboi · 24-03-2013 9:53pm

CiniO wrote: »

1 year is the max time limit before car must be registered, but it's kinda stupid.
If owner after coming here with a car, becomes resident, he must register it straight away.
The question is - when does he become resident.
Surely if he stays here more than 183 days in one year.
But in general, someone coming here getting job and planning to stay for good becomes resident straight away, however it would behard to prove if someone is planning to stay.
But generally sooner or later person moving to Ireland with foreign car, must register it here anyway most likely within half a year.

On the other hand there is a wrong situation for casual visitors.
F.e. my mum who come here to Ireland for a month or two every year (to visit me).
She is not resident in Ireland and never will be.
She could bring a Polish registered car with her, leave it here and use it when she is here. But car can't stay here more than 12 months without being registered. However she can't register a car in Ireland, as she is not resident here (no Irish insurer would give a policy to non-resident).
So legally, she can't have her foreign car here for more than 12 months, but also she can't register it here, as she is not resident.
Therefore she doesn't really have any option to have a car in here, except from brining it every time she comes here, which is out of the question due to too long distance to travel.
This is wrong.

you may be a law abiding eastern european irish resident, which is great.

but do take off your rosy tinted glasses, its no secret there are droves of eastern europeans in this country out to dodge giving the irish economy a cent.

like the OP's dad.

CiniO · 24-03-2013 9:55pm

hawkelady wrote: »

Are you supporting "dads" actions??? Cause if you are , your wrong!!!

Btw, if you choose to live in this country abide by its laws.. And them is the laws so please quit the moaning.

Where did I say I was supporting his actions.

His actions were illegal and and he should be punished (he already was thb - his car was taken off him).

I just pointed few thing above - 1. that there is plenty other offenders like him driving foreign car. Only difference was that he didn't get caught for 8 years, which actually doesn't say anything about him, but about Irish law enforcemnt. And 2, that the law that is there is far from being good, as it makes some things impossible for some people who want to obey it, like in my example.

CiniO · 24-03-2013 9:57pm

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

you may be a law abiding eastern european irish resident, which is great.

but do take off your rosy tinted glasses, its no secret there are droves of eastern europeans in this country out to dodge giving the irish economy a cent.

like the OP's dad.

He was braking the law - that's obvious.
But how did he managed to get away with it for 8 years, that's what amazes me the most.

Toyotafanboi · 24-03-2013 9:59pm

CiniO wrote: »

He was braking the law - that's obvious.
But how did he managed to get away with it for 8 years, that's what amazes me the most.

he probably only takes it out once a week, to pick up his dole.

biko · 24-03-2013 10:00pm

I worked with several non-nationals and they all drove their home cars here for years. Then they started getting nabbed by Customs on their way to work so they all drive Irish cars now.
This was when Customs stepped up the checks for UK and other foreign cars a few years back.

colm_mcm · 24-03-2013 10:03pm

Lets suppose the vrt due is €700 and the cars been overdue payment for 96 months. Isn't the vrt payable €700 cumulatively increased by 5% 95 times

Am I bonkers, or does that mean he owes €48,000?

CiniO · 24-03-2013 10:03pm

biko wrote: »

I worked with several non-nationals and they all drove their home cars here for years. Then they started getting nabbed by Customs on their way to work so they all drive Irish cars now.
This was when Customs stepped up the checks for UK and other foreign cars a few years back.

So it shows the best, that enforcement of the law is the best way to make people obey it.

And while I understand why law requires residents to register their cars in here, I can't understand why this law is limit time to 12 month for non-residents to keep their cars here.
And I also can't understand why residents are not permitted to drive non-residents car under any circumstances, even when owner non-resident is in the car.

hawkelady · 24-03-2013 10:06pm

CiniO wrote: »

Where did I say I was supporting his actions.

His actions were illegal and and he should be punished (he already was thb - his car was taken off him).

I just pointed few thing above - 1. that there is plenty other offenders like him driving foreign car. Only difference was that he didn't get caught for 8 years, which actually doesn't say anything about him, but about Irish law enforcemnt. And 2, that the law that is there is far from being good, as it makes some things impossible for some people who want to obey it, like in my example.

Driving illegally for 8 years and you think that doesn't say anything about him.

It says plenty about him!!!

Oral Surgeon · 24-03-2013 10:07pm

angeliukas92 wrote: »

Hi guys,

I have a very big question . This week my Dads car got confiscated by the Garda, first it was an Lithuanian car , second there was nothing on it just a European insurance it was year 1986 he was waiting till she was age 30 to register only was 4 years left and to get everything cheaper, but actually he was driving her in Ireland for 8 years and never got stopped by the Garda :cool: . So when they stopped him they said the car is over 1 year in Ireland he needs to pay VRT, insurance and tax but it cost too much money he said he doesn't want her anymore , garda said they will destroy it. But is there any fine will be issued for destroying the car ?

He should get the chair, nothing less!!

Kenny Logins · 24-03-2013 10:14pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

Lets suppose the vrt due is €700 and the cars been overdue payment for 96 months. Isn't the vrt payable €700 cumulatively increased by 5% 95 times

Am I bonkers, or does that mean he owes €48,000?

I get ~€2K

0.1% of €720, each day for 8 years.

CiniO · 24-03-2013 10:17pm

hawkelady wrote: »

Driving illegally for 8 years and you think that doesn't say anything about him.

It says plenty about him!!!

What's the difference between someone driving illegally for 8 years, to someone doing the same for 6 months before getting caught?

I can't see any.

Marcusm · 24-03-2013 10:18pm

CiniO wrote: »

So it shows the best, that enforcement of the law is the best way to make people obey it.

And while I understand why law requires residents to register their cars in here, I can't understand why this law is limit time to 12 month for non-residents to keep their cars here.
And I also can't understand why residents are not permitted to drive non-residents car under any circumstances, even when owner non-resident is in the car.

One of the stupid anomalies in the system, truly. I've lived in the UK for 17 years but also have a home in Ireland I try to visit at least once a month. I ted to drive over as I can't import one of my cars VRT free (as I'm not changing residence), I can't import a car and pay VRT (as I don't reside in Ireland). And I have avoided buying a third car to leave in Dublin.

CiniO · 24-03-2013 10:22pm

Marcusm wrote: »

One of the stupid anomalies in the system, truly. I've lived in the UK for 17 years but also have a home in Ireland I try to visit at least once a month. I ted to drive over as I can't import one of my cars VRT free (as I'm not changing residence), I can't import a car and pay VRT (as I don't reside in Ireland). And I have avoided buying a third car to leave in Dublin.

You wouldn't be able to buy a car in Ireland anyway, as no Irish insurer would cover you as non-resident.

Seweryn · 24-03-2013 10:23pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

Lets suppose the vrt due is €700 and the cars been overdue payment for 96 months. Isn't the vrt payable €700 cumulatively increased by 5% 95 times

Am I bonkers, or does that mean he owes €48,000?

No VRT applies to his car assuming he owned it for at least 6 months prior to coming to Ireland.

colm_mcm · 24-03-2013 10:24pm

Kenny Logins wrote: »

I get ~€2K

0.1% of €720, each day for 8 years.

But as far as I know its cumulative ie €700 plus 5%, then 735 plus €5% etc

CiniO · 24-03-2013 10:25pm

Seweryn wrote: »

No VRT applies to his car assuming he owned it for at least 6 months prior to coming to Ireland.

Yea, that's interesting.
Can someone still avail of vrt exemption, even if he didn't register a car straight away after coming here?

colm_mcm · 24-03-2013 10:26pm

Seweryn wrote: »

No VRT applies to his car assuming he owned it for at least 6 months prior to coming to Ireland.

An exemption is available subject to actually following the rules. I don't think it applies 8 years on.

Marcusm · 24-03-2013 10:28pm

CiniO wrote: »

You wouldn't be able to buy a car in Ireland anyway, as no Irish insurer would cover you as non-resident.

Yes I would! Took a bit of chatting through Liberty/Quinn who insured e at the time. Was helpful to them that in Ireland it would be in a secure car park. It's not standard but just because computer says no, doesn't mean no.

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