Cork GAA Discussion Thread

yomtea98 wrote: »

There was intent.It was pure stupid by Hoggie.You think Horgadidn't see POB infront of him?Why did his hurl come down on his head so?:rolleyes:

Ccomplete rubbish.It was a one handed attempt to flick the ball .Their was no intent.Willam Egans challenge on conlan was far worse but again no intent.Doctors differ patients die.
Same here.,the ref today had he's own stupid view.

Fair play to Ollie Moran.He said no way was it a red card.Every pundit had said the same.Ollie Moran played rugby for ireland at underage.I'm sure he knows dirty play when he sees it.

Rubbish talk to say Horgan meant it.

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

Ccomplete rubbish.It was a one handed attempt to flick the ball .Their was no intent.Willam Egans challenge on conlan was far worse but again no intent.Doctors differ patients die.
Same here.,the ref today had he's own stupid view.

Fair play to Ollie Moran.He said no way was it a red card.Every pundit had said the same.Ollie Moran played rugby for ireland at underage.I'm sure he knows dirty play when he sees it.

Rubbish talk to say Horgan meant it.

That's your view.Just because Moran says doesn't mean I have to go and agree with it.The ref was poor and it ruined the game but I felt it was deserved.Too many players went quiet in the second half and we were lucky to be within two points with a few minutes to g but 9 points was a bit much too.You couldn't begrudge Limerick and the invasion at the end was great.I think we will still have a rattle of Kilkenny.We have a good chance of beating them

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

MOYLAN. should have seen game time.At least with Pebbles we would have not had Cussen on the bench.

I would start Lorchan at 5,and Cronin at midfield as we need to compete physically with KK.
Start Lehane ,harnedy and Coughlan with Luke,Horgan and Moylan.
If Horgan is out then we have no option but to start Cian Mac at Full Forward.

Cussen and Naughton best positions for Cork are left back.
Left back in the dressing room.

Coughlan as good a hurler as he is will never be great simply because he is not naturally strong or big.Harnedy has great potential.Just tired in the second half.Egan didn win a ball on Breen.Lorcain and Kearney were good.Cian Mc,I dunno,might be interesting in full forward .Moylan should have come on before Cussen and Naughton.

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

NO it's not.I don't go with the status quo.I try and be logical.To say Horgan had intent is just laughable in fairness.
I never begrudged Limerick.I congratulated them.here and on their own thread.
My gripe is the Referee ruined the game as a contest and once Horgan was sent off their was only one winner.

I didn't you as in you yourself but in general.By the rulebook the ref was right.Kilkenny do it all the time swinging back as they go up for it.I do think Horgan meant it.Maybe I am wrong but that's my view on it.I wont say any more on it now.Yes the decision ruined the game but its not the only reason we lost

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

Rubbish with Coughlan.He is still underage.Dont judge him yet.
He just came back from.injury.

He can win he's own ball.He doesn't need to be a gym bunny.Look at Hogan and th Reid for KK.JOE Deane was the same.

Once they have the bite and steel of mind they can survive with the right ball.

You clearly have no not seen much of Coughlan with all due respect.You seem to be a great man with views after the game.Pity you did not enlighten us with your thoughts during the week or after the Clare game.

Ah here goodnight.I have seen plenty of Coughlan with all due respect.Things have changed since Deane.With regards Hogan and Reid while both are light they are still a good bit stronger than Jamie.But you are right he is only 21 and hopefully I am proved wrong.Its tough for him just back from the op.I have not had my views changed because of todays result.I have given my view of the game.I don't expect everyone to agree but no need to call it rubbish.I know you are a logical poster and I try to be too.

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Four provincial finalists into a hat - Cork, Tyrone, Mayo and Meath

Sound for that.

Amprodude wrote: »

Who could we meet in opposite side of the hat? Kildare, Armagh, Cavan, Wexford?

Only team I would rather avoid is Armagh

Kristopherus wrote: »

Ye deserve a trip up North for the way ye played v Kerry in the first half:).

We do I suppose.:D

Fireball07 wrote: »

Lads, while I definitely don't think Horgan should have been sent, don't think he'll get off on appeal either. Because there is a definite contact with the helmet, and by the letter of the law, it's a red. GAA will stick by the ref's decision imo.

This is what I don't get.By the rules the ref was right but yet he was wrong.I don't understand

Fireball07 wrote: »

Lads, while I definitely don't think Horgan should have been sent, don't think he'll get off on appeal either. Because there is a definite contact with the helmet, and by the letter of the law, it's a red. GAA will stick by the ref's decision imo.

Thats the problem one rule for some and another for others

COmmon sense needs to apply

If the same rules apply then kk surely would surely have had more men senty off but sure thats just kk being manley

Refs need to apply common sense
The gaa will prob back the ref

Martin567 wrote: »

He definitely should not have been sent off and I hope he gets off on appeal.

Other than that, could you stop being a typical Cork person and leave Kilkenny out of it. If this sort of thing always resulted in a red card, every team would have had more men sent off. Tannion should have been sent off after 20 mins in the All Ireland replay for a far more serious incident last year.

I don't. or have not begruded the way KK play the game

My point is JBM and Tomas Mulchay have always defended KK style as manly and never cripped
KK have to be mentioned considering they are one of the toughest teams around.The refs allow KK play that way so they are not doing anything wrong.But do not penalise Cork then for a clumsy challenge.
Cork in fairness are like mice in comparision and are too timid.
I hope the guys that have defended KK style now come out and defend Horgan.Thats my point.
James Mcgrath is a truly awful ref.

Amprodude wrote: »

I hope Cork get written off big time for Kilkenny game and a few harsh things are said in the media about the team. Might put a bit of fire back into the team. Cork love playing in Thurles so hopefully we can turn up for Kilkenny and give them a run for their money. Cant see Cork winning there though in a million years but i can only dream of a win over KK.

its a huge ask but we may be saved for the fact this is their sixth game in seven weeks and extra time took a lot out of them two

I was impressd by corks refusal to wilt yesterday and they showed plenty of heart lacking in us before

The one aera of huge concern we have is no natural full back.Cody is not as naive as allen and will go for the juglar and try kill cork off in the first twenty minutes.Our full back line is going to have the ktichen sink thrown at them.Walsh or hogan or larkin are far twoo many aces at full forward for mcdonnell or o neill

Our hope is spillane plays the game of hes life wed night which I would nt rule out and he pushes for a starting place.My fear before the limerick game was full back would come back and bite us in the arse and it has with a vengenance.

In a strange sort of way if I were limerick id be very worried.If kk win they will have a three week break to that game and shefflin will have more game time under hes belt.Every limerick fan be going for cork as then they play galway or clare.

Limerick and and allen still have a lot of questions to be answered.
Their is every chance such is hes nature and form guide he will start the same team for that semifinal.

Walsh,hoga and joyce would eat the starting limerick half forward line for breaksfast if their was high balls launched down on them which seems allens way.

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Seriously?? Hoggie was no where near the ball, he hit the back of his head, it was a silly thing to do and he got caught, and I'm from Cork saying that!

It is a category 2 offense, "striking or attempting to strike, with minimal force" - its a four week suspension.

Cork management thought that Horgan didn't strike him according to Tom Kenny, but the rule covers attempting to strike as well as making contact, which Horgan did.

Their was no intent rebel girl.Common since has to apply.You can not live life even to every god damn rule.You got to treat every incident at face value.

Horgan was so far from the ball it was a lazy typical flick of the hurley that he was trying the impossible task of winning the ball.Horgan and a fault of hes game.he never does the simple things.

If every clumsy challenge is red carded and intent is not taken as a factor then hurling as a game is dead in the water.

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Problem is there was a lack of a gameplan for when they went down to 14 players



It was shocking the decisions on the sideline, they had the best possible time to rejig things and they also needed to react within the game. It was clear that Limerick were going to keep the spare man in the full back line, so putting Cussen on against two men was madness.

The reality of it was that Cork crumbled, lack of leaders on the pitch and not enough quality on the bench to bring in. I have no doubt that if Cork had 15 men on the pitch, Limerick would have still won. The win over Clare is simply papering over the cracks once again

Completely dissagree.
Bar moylan what options up front had we to use....
As shown by the use of naughton and cussen we were limited.
What game plan could we have done
Fact is we could have done f***k all in reality to win it with a man down espiceally as he was also a forward.

We had leaders as our backs were superb and cronin really gave it hes all just back from ill health.

If we lacked leaders and crumbled we would not have brought it back to two points with 15 minutes to go

O Neill joyce cronin harnedy and the outstanding Mclouhlin all led from the front yesterday.
When limerick brought on the subs we ran out of steam and any limerick fan will admit the score line flatterred them in the end.

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

There was intent - being so far from the ball, one thing if he was properly challenging for the ball, but once again he was caught behind the man, and made a silly flick for a ball that he was nowhere near. Did Horgan intend to hit his man on the back of the head, I'dyes he did! I don't think it was clumsy, man going for the ball and someone hits him on the back of the head is cyncial in my book.

Reason why people are so outraged is because it is not refereed properly. This common sense approach is complete rubbish, and is exactly the reason why referees are so inconsistent. Work properly by the rulebook or just throw it away. Any impact to the head can be dangerous, helmet or no helmet. It is also cynical - and that has no part in our games.

well if they want tn make it like basketball a no contact sport the game is fu**ed.

Cynical,ah stop the lights in fairness.
Horgan I have never seen pull a dirty stroke in hes life.He at the best of times afraid of hes own shadow

I saw more timber and dangerous play between cahalane and downes two years ago in an u21 final.

The limerick player was fine.he just thought for a moment he was in the ul swimming pool the way he dropped to the ground.
Mackey and ring were turning in their grave if they thouhht that was dirty.It was no where near dangerous play.

COrk play Armagh or galway in a neutral venue in the football.
A walk in the park,problem is this game will make Aoc.gould.Kissane and O Neill look better than they are and get roasted by dublin or mayo next up if we meet them.