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Louis Theroux

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,034 ✭✭✭✭Basq


    Just watched 'Edge Of Life' there.. stunning!

    Theroux is just the master of the live story.. as always.


  • Registered Users Posts: 70 ✭✭First_October


    I think that was one of his best documentaries. I would agree with all of the comments above. Incredibly moving at times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭gucci


    Top notch stuff once again by Louis, and remarkable people involved on all sides, patients, doctors and friends.
    I did have a little childish chuckle when I thought Dantras doctor looked like
    Chuck Norris!
    :)

    Those who were inspired / interested in Langstons remarkable recovery, I would recommend watching a movie called "The crash reel" which focuses on Kevin Pearce, an american snow boarder who suffered a traumatic brain injury. It will give a little more insight into the after and long road to recovery someone like Langston will have to take.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    gucci wrote: »
    Top notch stuff once again by Louis, and remarkable people involved on all sides, patients, doctors and friends.
    I did have a little childish chuckle when I thought Dantras doctor looked like
    Chuck Norris!
    :)
    Ha, I forgot about that. I though the same too. Although I was thinking the Simpsons version.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 285 ✭✭Deathwish4


    R.I.P Javier :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    The last LA story is just starting now, about sex offenders. His "Place for Paedophiles" was brilliant, hope this one is similar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    I don't really understand why Louis is slightly leading the parole officer towards saying she's more innocent. Of all the people we've seen, she seemed as un-apologetic as any. Calling her crime an affair for example.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭FouxDaFaFa


    I enjoyed tonight's documentary but I didn't think it was quite as good as A Place for Paedophiles.

    I let out a guffaw when Louis asked Randy what he thought the women he exposed himself to felt and he said "concern". It was actually shocking how little thought he seemed to have given things. It was like no-one had ever sat him down and told him that his actions have negative consequences for those around him. He didn't seem interested in trying to discover why he enjoys this kind of attention from women, why he can't pursue more normal avenues of expressing attraction. Rather than going for the "permanent solution".

    You have to feel bad for some of them but at the same time, I understand society's reluctance to trust them again. If you put someone in front of me who had robbed a shop with a gun as a young man and told me that they had been clean for 20 years and would not re-offend, I would be a lot quicker to believe that than if he had abused a child.

    I think it's difficult for us to sympathise with or trust people who couldn't restrain themselves from putting their own desires above the wellbeing (mental or otherwise) of their victims.

    What struck me was how blasé some of them were about their crimes. That young guy Louis met who lives in his van was like a child trying to impress his Dad or something. "Look how many pull-ups I can do, Dad".

    The woman (Becky?) seems to have done everything possible to co-operate with law enforcement but I don't think I would trust her around my (fictional) kids. There are all sorts of difficult questions, like should she be allowed to be around her own son? I'd question the mental maturity of a woman who seeks an adult relationship with such a young boy and who considers him a replacement for her husband. An "affair", like DarkGlasses said.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,971 ✭✭✭Holsten


    Just finished watching all three of them.

    Brilliant documentaries as always, pitty there is only 3 this time around.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    FouxDaFaFa wrote: »
    I enjoyed tonight's documentary but I didn't think it was quite as good as A Place for Paedophiles.

    I let out a guffaw when Louis asked Randy what he thought the women he exposed himself to felt and he said "concern". It was actually shocking how little thought he seemed to have given things. It was like no-one had ever sat him down and told him that his actions have negative consequences for those around him. He didn't seem interested in trying to discover why he enjoys this kind of attention from women, why he can't pursue more normal avenues of expressing attraction. Rather than going for the "permanent solution".

    You have to feel bad for some of them but at the same time, I understand society's reluctance to trust them again. If you put someone in front of me who had robbed a shop with a gun as a young man and told me that they had been clean for 20 years and would not re-offend, I would be a lot quicker to believe that than if he had abused a child.

    I think it's difficult for us to sympathise with or trust people who couldn't restrain themselves from putting their own desires above the wellbeing (mental or otherwise) of their victims.

    What struck me was how blasé some of them were about their crimes. That young guy Louis met who lives in his van was like a child trying to impress his Dad or something. "Look how many pull-ups I can do, Dad".

    The woman (Becky?) seems to have done everything possible to co-operate with law enforcement but I don't think I would trust her around my (fictional) kids. There are all sorts of difficult questions, like should she be allowed to be around her own son? I'd question the mental maturity of a woman who seeks an adult relationship with such a young boy and who considers him a replacement for her husband. An "affair", like DarkGlasses said.

    Yeah, this wasn't a patch on A Place for Paedophiles. I actually think this was probably the worst one I've seen by Louis (I've seen them all except Twilight of the Pornstars). One thing it did fairly well though was demonstrate how hard it is to reconcile how bad you feel for some of these people with how awful their crimes were. Sometimes, I think it's basically un-solveable.

    Randy I did feel bad for. He could never really see what was happening when he exposed himself to women - but at least he wanted to put an end to the whole thing. Even to the extreme of hacking his own genitals off.

    That young guy doing pull-ups, he didn't seem to have any interest in considering what he did to his victim. Wouldn't even start a conversation about it with Louis. Still in need of rehabilitation, which he's never going to get living in a van in the Hollywood Hills. That's the only sad thing about his story.

    The owner of the gateway rentals place, he did seem fully rehabilitated, and dealing well with his situation. Sad though it is for his family, that seemed like a success story. I didn't think Louis's first line of questioning with him should have been left in the final edit. When he asked Louis was there a question, he was right to. There really wasn't a question.

    Lastly, that guy who got kicked out of the gateway rental place for using methamphetamine. Personally, I find it so hard to reconcile the bad things that happened to him with the bad things he did. He did terrible things, and it's especially bad that he thought it was more excusable because it was girlfriend and the mother of his child. Not that it mitigates him at all, but if he hadn't been abused as a child one can speculate that he wouldn't be in the situation he's in. But he's an adult and has to be held accountable for his actions. Personally, I think it's hard stuff.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭gucci


    This was an incredible tough watch, not necessary down to the production values, but just the subject matter and the people involved. I would agree with the sentiment above that I didnt feel it was amongst Louis best work, but still was fascinating stuff.

    Of course to the regular joe public, it is impossible to feel sympathy for the accused here. But it was sad to see that once they make those decisions to do these dastardly acts / or make huge errors or judgement for whatever reason, they are seemingly on a one way ticket to a broken life robbed of any kind of quality.
    Of course it is easy to argue in most cases that this is justice for the innocence and liberty these people rob from their victims, but I think the woman who was on parole said it best when she said that once you are out you are just set up for a fall.

    Housing newly released "criminals" together, whatever their background/crime/mental state is hardly good practice, but it is blatently obvious that the governement etc just wash their hands of responsibilty and its easier to just occupy them somewhere breifly before throwing them back in prison....strange really.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    I enjoyed all of these, as I always do Louis's docco's, but I actually think this series was among his weakest work. His previous ones were much more interesting I thought.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,048 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    I thought it was interesting, but Louis has kind of covered similar ground with this topic before.

    I thought pretty much everyone he interviewed was a weirdo. The woman who had an affair with the kid and thought she was in love with him was odd. She seemed genuinely remorseful, but that is just such a fcuking weird thing to do. :confused:

    I thought the guy who was running the hostel was a douche. His reasons for sexually abusing his own children were non-reasons. I didn't buy him or his rationalizing at all.

    I felt somewhat sorry for the guy who was obsessed with exposing himself. He seemed like a bit of a misfit who might have benefited from therapy or something. He genuinely didn't seem to have thought about his actions much, and if he did he might actually be able to do something to help himself.

    The guy living up in the Hollywood Hills was a fcuking creep. I don't believe he had consensual sex with a girl he thought was older. He just didn't want to own up to what he actually did. A total narcissist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    I thought the guy who was running the hostel was a douche. His reasons for sexually abusing his own children were non-reasons. I didn't buy him or his rationalizing at all.
    Yeah there was something just not right about that guy. The way he was freaking out at one of the tenants was just odd. And his reasoning for abusing his kids was pure BS. You don't abuse your kids to get back at your cheating wife. If he had of said that he had an affair (with another adult!), that would've been believable.

    I felt somewhat sorry for the guy who was obsessed with exposing himself. He seemed like a bit of a misfit who might have benefited from therapy or something. He genuinely didn't seem to have thought about his actions much, and if he did he might actually be able to do something to help himself.

    The guy living up in the Hollywood Hills was a fcuking creep. I don't believe he had consensual sex with a girl he thought was older. He just didn't want to own up to what he actually did. A total narcissist.
    I felt sorry for that guy too. I think he had mother issues, especially when he said that the type of women he exposes himself to were "motherly types"

    The sad thing about his case is that he could probably be helped with a bit of therapy, which would make sense for the state to provide, but no doubt he'll re-offend and end up costing the state more for his incarceration.

    The guy living up in the Hollywood Hills was a fcuking creep. I don't believe he had consensual sex with a girl he thought was older. He just didn't want to own up to what he actually did. A total narcissist.
    He was a strange one alright, like a child in some sense. It's a pity Louis didn't reveal more about his case.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,048 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    BaZmO* wrote: »
    He was a strange one alright, like a child in some sense. It's a pity Louis didn't reveal more about his case.

    The fact that he was happy to say that he thought she was older and make it out like he was duped, but then got all cagey when the conversation moved to how the girl might have felt about what happened made me think he was lying. I mean, he might have genuinely thought she was older than 13, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if he still did something very wrong beyond that and just didn't want to admit it.

    I got the impression Louis was a bit puzzled by him. He wasn't an east interview, didn't seem that keen on giving too much away, and yet he seemed to love being on camera.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,971 ✭✭✭Holsten


    gucci wrote: »
    Housing newly released "criminals" together, whatever their background/crime/mental state is hardly good practice, but it is blatently obvious that the governement etc just wash their hands of responsibilty and its easier to just occupy them somewhere breifly before throwing them back in prison....strange really.
    This is done because as the show explained due the stupid laws they have, there are so few places they can legally live that they will all end up in the same place together.

    I think the mission is to get them back into prison, as the women said they are completely set up to fail and this is 100% true. Having prisoners in prison is big money in the states.

    I find it very ironic and good example of how ill taught out the laws they have there with the park they opened. It was specially opened to get rid of the people living there... yet the law was completely unconstitutional, thus because of the ill knee jerk thinking they've just placed a children's playground directly beside a sex offender group home... idiots.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    The hostel guy was on some sort of power trip trying to make himself feel like he has control of his life... Dwarf among midgets.

    The Hispanic meth addict guy was quite sad to see.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    Just in case anybody missed it, Louis did a short Q&A for each of the documentaries in the recent LA Stories. He's still to post the answers for the third one, but here's the first two.
    Q&A WITH LOUIS THEROUX ON "EDGE OF LIFE"

    1) "Edge of Life" is a very emotive film. Why did you decide to make a documentary on this subject and how did you keep your composure?

    I am always looking for subjects that combine emotional extremes with actuality (action playing out on camera, as opposed to just interviews) and a moral question. For some time I've been aware that there might be interesting stories for us in a hospital setting. I saw a film by Nick Holt called Between Life and Death, about a brain injury clinic in Cambridge, which reaffirmed to me that there are fascinating questions in cases of serious head trauma to do with how much treatment to embrace - and a potential for conflict between families and doctors (and between families). I realized that in America these questions are often magnified because of the nature of US healthcare - I saw an American doc on PBS on a similar theme, done in a current affairs style, and I thought we could do a more intimate film on the same themes.
    As for the composure question, it can get very emotional at times but I guess I'm pretty good at not showing it too much (!)

    2) I'm starting out in documentary production and have always wondered how you go about finding the contributors? How involved are you in the actual research of the people you film, and how much prep do you do before you meet someone?

    The director and the AP do most of the work of finding contributors. Especially in a film like Edge of Life, you don't really have the luxury of bumping into people in the corridors (which is how it sometimes works on other stories). There is a process and usually the AP (in this case, Angie Bass) will go and meet people who have expressed an interest in being filmed. Sometimes the director or AP will shoot a little tape of the prospective contributors for us to watch in the office, to get a sense of what people are like, but we didn't do that with Edge of Life.

    3) Donta seemed to be in denial about the reason he was being sent home for hospice care but then there was a very moving sequence where he held your hand as he left the hospital. Do you think he came to accept what was happening?

    I don't know that he ever completely accepted it. A few days before he died, Donta posted a message on Facebook to say that he was recovering. And you could see that when he left the hospital he had it in his head that he would be pursuing other remedies. People deal with death in different way and the challenge for the doctors in Donta's case was to try to get through to him. I think that's why they all came in as a group to give him the bad news. It could be seen as insensitive, but I think they'd decided that it was the only way they would get Donta to really take in what they had to say.

    4) Do you feel that the doctors and nurses weren't being frank enough to the patients about their condition? Or do you feel it's good that they leave them with some sense of hope?

    There's an argument on both sides. I think Dr. Jones and Dr. Gould (Langston's doctor and Donta's, respectively) were aware of the dangers of soft-soaping the prognosis and so they were a little more blunt in the way they gave the news. Dr. Linhares took the opposite approach, trusting Javier to read between the lines. Maybe there's a way of imparting the information in a way that is both clear and also open to the possibility of hope.

    5) Langston's recovery was amazing. How did the doctor get it so wrong?

    That still isn't clear. We asked the neurologist and his answer was that neurology is one of the last frontiers of medicine and there is still a lot we don't know. The brain is a mysterious organ and when you are young (as Langston is) it can be very resilient. I once saw a Channel 5 doc about a woman whose brain was tiny - it had been forced into a thin layer around her cranium by hydropcephaly (I think). But she was 99 percent neuro-typical. She just couldn't ride a bike.

    6) Do you know how Langston is doing now?

    The last time I saw him was that scene at the end of the film. My AP Angie went and saw him and his family to show them the film before we aired it and she wrote that he still has a slight limp (due to "muscle tightening") but seems positive. He's been continuous rehab for about a year now. He is taking a driving test to get his license back and hoping to restart school in the Autumn. She mentioned that after the screening he asked about Francisco - the other man we showed in our programme who was in a coma, he wanted to know how he was doing - so he's clearly on the ball and takes everything in. Also, spurred on by the experience of being in our documentary, apparently he's been watching a lot of my old programmes on youtube. Not sure if that counts as a good sign or not!

    7) As someone who spent a lot more time with these people than we probably saw on camera, did their hope give you a more positive outlook on life and people's inspiring desire to keep fighting?

    It gave me a deeper appreciation of my own good health and also the finitude of life. Enjoy it while it lasts. Responsibly of course. (Do I sound like an vodka advert?)

    8) What, if anything, do you think the UK health service can learn from the US service and vice versa?

    No system is perfect, but I am a believer in the NHS. No matter your income, you shouldn't have to worry about getting the best medical treatment available. Since I live in the US at the moment, I have to think about insurance. The level of choice and the different kinds of reimbursement are completely overwhelming.

    9) The music in the documentary is great – who chooses it?

    Thanks. Danny Collins the editor chose the music. There is a repeating track which is by Air, I think.

    10) If you had the opportunity to travel back in time to reshoot one of your previous interview situations, with your post-interview knowledge/ insights at your disposal, whom would you choose and what would you do differently this time around?

    Well, the Jimmy Savile show springs to mind. It would have been better for all concerned if he'd had to face robust questioning for what he did in his lifetime.

    Thanks to all of you who sent your questions in - we hope most of them were answered here.
    Q&A WITH LOUIS THEROUX ON “CITY OF DOGS”

    1) What made you decide to do a documentary on this subject [of abandoned dogs in LA]? Did you have much knowledge of the dogs’ plight beforehand?
    We filmed the Edge of Life episode (episode 2) first. As we were filming it I was aware it was quite sad and I was thinking of ideas that might be slightly lighter. I began thinking about the culture of dog-owning in LA. It is a very dog-centric city. I thought we could make a show that would combine the lightness of the pampered high-end animals with the darkness of the unwanted animals at shelters. It was only when we digged a bit deeper that we became aware of the scale of the problem of stray animals.

    2) Do you own or have you ever owned a dog?
    I have never owned a dog. I had cats growing up, called Scratch and Kipper. We were more of a cat family than a dog family. Now that I’ve made the show, I'm much more into the idea of having a dog. Maybe when we're back in England.

    3) Did you meet a dog during the filming that you wanted to rescue and take home to your family?
    I met several dogs. In particular there was a dog we didn’t feature in the finished show that was being kept in a tiny cage behind a house in South Central. I had the impression that he never got taken for walks. He appeared to have a very mellow personality. We visited the house with a local charity called Downtown Dog Rescue that had sent a handyman to build him a bigger cage. I just felt so sorry for that dog.

    4) Where’s your beard?
    It's in the garden somewhere. That's where I trim it, so I don't get whiskers in the sink. I shave my beard for filming. It doesn’t feel right wearing a beard when I’m making shows.

    5) Burger the German Shepherd seemed ‘transformed’ in the hands of [Brandon], but how was life for him and his owner [Angela] once they were back home?
    I’m not sure, but I strongly suspect he went back to the bad old ways. I never sensed Angela trusted herself to control Burger in the way Brandon could.

    6) If you were to get a tattoo of your brain and an animal brain in a feedback loop, what animal would you choose?
    A small reptile. It would be a useful reminder that the deepest parts of the human brain are basically reptilian. Deep down in the amygdala the human operating system is still very primitive, though we’ve patched on a lot of higher functions through evolution. I often think of the phrase “Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny”. Each of us is snapshot of the evolutionary process, dating back millennia, and to some extent we carry that with us.

    7) Are there any people that you’ve genuinely connected and kept in touch with following filming for a documentary?
    I think I connect in some way in almost all the documentaries I make. As for keeping in touch, I still stay in contact with JJ Michaels from the porn doc I made in 1997. Occasionally I hear from one or two of the young women who left the Westboro Baptist Church.

    8) What was going through your head when you were waiting for [Prowler] to attack you? Did you feel pressured to do it for the story?
    I was thinking, what if he misses my arm and goes for my throat! One good thing was, we only found out about Malcolm that same day we filmed with him. It wasn’t a sequence we planned and so I have a long time to worry about it in advance. As soon as I saw it going down, and one of the men asked if I wanted to pad up, I knew I couldn’t say no.

    9) Were you more worried about the dog or losing your trousers?
    More worried about the dog. There’s something very primal about being that close to a dog that’s trying to hurt you, even when you know you’re safe. It’s weird.

    10) Was meeting Prowler the scariest moment during filming? And how did it compare to some of the other daunting situations you’ve found yourself in previously?
    There was also a scary moment with Marquise, the man who told me to take my “bitch ass back to London”. He was behaving very erratically. I went back a few hours later with the crew to knock on his door and ask if he might reconsider and do an interview. That was a little nerve-racking. People with mental health issues tend to make me more nervous than people in a criminal lifestyle or inmates in prison, because they’re so unpredictable. But probably the most worrying for me was the chimpanzee I filmed with in America’s Most Dangerous Pets. I’d read so much about them ripping off people’s faces.

    11) Did you feel uncomfortable witnessing dogs being trained to become weapons?
    Not uncomfortable exactly. I can’t say I agreed with it. But there was something about Malcolm that I liked. From what I could tell, Prowler was well looked after. The more uncomfortable encounters involved dogs being neglected.

    12) At one point you asked [Malcolm] if he was perhaps a bit paranoid about harm coming to his family. Given that it is an extremely rough area, to what extent did you sympathise with his paranoia (if at all)?
    Well, I could relate to what he was saying up to a point. But it felt excessive. He compared his situation with the level of danger faced by the US President. That seemed little over the top to me.

    13) Although some breeds have a higher tendency to aggression, do you think their behaviour is more often to do with the way people have treated them?
    In general I think when dogs misbehave it’s down to the humans who are keeping with them. But I also think it’s possible to have a dog that’s more unmanageable and difficult. It’s not all nurture. There’s some nature there too.

    14) Do you now believe that there are some dogs that are simply ‘incapable’ of rehabilitation and euthanasia is the only practical option? Or do you agree with Brandon that any dog can be worked with?
    You know, when a dog has bitten several people quite badly and then mauled a small child, let’s say, I’d say that dog should be put down. It’s not to say the dog is incapable of reform. I’m sure any dog can be worked with. But there is also a level of acceptable risk.

    15) You take us through a whole range of emotions in each of your programmes but how do you cope with being on the front line? How do you detach from the things you see and experience?
    Most of the time I’m not looking simply at problems, I’m also looking at people attempting to improve the situation. So I don’t get too discouraged by the things I see. There are exceptions. Part 3 of LA Stories, which is about sex offenders, was one where I struggled a little to maintain my equanimity. So many of the people were damaged and their lives were desperate.

    16) The dog pound was severely struggling with the number of strays they took in every day – do you think more could be done in order to prevent euthanizing the animals?
    It’s all about responsible ownership. Number one is spaying and neutering.

    17) Do you think the USA should ban pit bull terriers like the UK?
    Based on what I saw, pit bulls are actually rather affectionate and can make great pets.

    18) Why do you think people in LA decide to re-home stray dogs that could potentially be dangerous or make their lives more difficult?
    They do it because it’s the right thing to do. Plus it’s more difficult – not to mention socially frowned upon – to buy from a breeder. And dogs from breeders can also be unpredictable.

    19) Why was there little focus on criminal charges for [animal abuse-related incidents]? Did this subject come up during any part of your filming?
    It did but not often. The vast majority of neglect cases don’t lead to a prosecution.

    20) A large proportion of your documentaries over the years have been in the USA? Do you plan to continue exploring different lives and stories in America or are there other parts of the world that you wish to work in?
    I like switching it up every now and then. I’m very proud of the shows I’ve made in South Africa, and also Nigeria and Israel and Palestine. I’d like to visit some other places. In another life I would have liked to be a foreign correspondent. It’s exciting to go to places like Lagos and the West Bank. But America is my bread and butter.

    21) Are you going to “take your bitch ass back to London”?
    Yes I think so. Most probably in August.

    22) Have you got a message for your fans abroad who are keen to see your new series?
    Well, the dogs one seems to be on YouTube. I don’t think it’s supposed to be but it is. For now anyway. Maybe I shouldn’t have mentioned that, as they may have to take it down!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    Did anybody ever see the documentary he did on Max Clifford? Clifford came across as a real dick in it. Louis put up an interesting look back of their encounter on FB last night. Always thought the bit with Simon Cowell (who I didn't know at the time) was very strange.

    Anyway, it's an interesting read.
    I was on holiday when the Max Clifford verdict came down, driving an RV up the California coast. When I got back into the office I spent 50 minutes re-watching the documentary I made on him in 2002.
    It was a strange experience. I was struck by the rawness and spontaneity of our encounters. Parts of it are rough, some of the jokes seem a little “inside”, but there are many compensatory pleasures, in the intimacy and the subtlety of the material – which takes place in cars and corridors and nightclubs – and the constant abrasive static between Max and myself.
    The rationale for the show was that I was interested in the world of “spin” and wanted “the king of kiss and tell” to be my guide. Tongue slightly in cheek, in the opening scene, I tell Max I might be interested in retaining his services to take my career to the next level. I want the cover of a national newspaper, I say. “That’s easy,” he replies. We attend a series of low-wattage media events. A young(er) Simon Cowell – then Max’s client - wanders in and out of view, taking meetings with Max, doing celebrity appearances at Max’s behest, and grappling with the perils of his new-found fame and (apparently) a number of old flames keen to share the secrets of their nights of passion.
    Max comes across as an odd mixture of playfulness and menace. He enjoys the cut and thrust of our repartee and he likes to tease, but there’s a stolid quality to his humour. His constant vigilance and suspicion gives him the air of an upscale nightclub bouncer who’s done a course on irony. At a hospital for a charity event we meet a hoard of hormonal teenage girls waiting for the boyband Westlife to arrive. Max says to me, very flat: “They heard you were coming”. In another scene, in the back of a car, he tells a friend - on speakerphone so that I can hear - that I've confessed to him that I had a sexual relationship with Christine Hamilton. It’s not funny; it is slightly peculiar.
    Then, about halfway through the film, the mood changes. It emerges that Max has been creating a fake relationship between Simon Cowell and a lapdancer for the consumption of the tabloids. On camera I call Max on his fabrication. He’s clearly he irked and he retaliates by placing stories in the press about me. He arranges for me to do an interview with Simon at Spearmint Rhino but it’s a pretext to get me photographed by paparazzi. My visit to the lap-dancing club becomes a full-page story in the Mirror.
    And so it goes on, with Max orchestrating press events while denying all the while that he’s doing so. The documentary ends with Max stomping off in a huff in a supermarket after I overhear him plotting on his radio mike. Not that he was saying anything especially damaging but the idea that an arch-media manipulator might get caught out in such an elementary way clearly stung him.
    Watching the show dredged up a lot of memories. It was one of the most stressful filming experiences I’ve had. I didn’t enjoy being the subject of Max’s stories. I found it hard not to resent him. For his part, when we showed him the film in his New Bond Street offices, he didn’t like it. You know what you’ve done, and one day I’ll get you back, was his attitude. For a while I lived in a low level of anxiety that one of Fleet Streets “machers” had a grudge against me, which might come due at any time.
    A few years later, I read in a profile in the Observer that Max was a devotee of sex parties. In the article, he boasted about his bedroom conquests. This was a surprise. Still, I was shocked when I heard that Max’s name had come up in the context of the Yewtree investigation. It’s well known that there were dark rumours about Jimmy Savile. So far as I knew, this was never the case with Max Clifford.
    Watching my old documentary I looked for signs of Max’s secret life. In our encounters, Max is pugnacious. He radiates a sense of personal power. When called upon, he lies. But he doesn’t just lie: he lies with seeming equanimity. I remember thinking at the time that it was possible Max enjoyed lying.
    Max’s shenanigans on the speakerphone in the back of the car resonated, in a small way, with the accounts of victims, several of whom described him pulling pranks on the phone during his offences.
    More generally, it was clear looking back on it that Max’s world revolved around sex: covering up unwanted sex stories by creating other, fictitious sex stories. Sex was a currency for him and I suppose it is not a massive leap see that trafficking in kiss-and-tell and “honeytraps” might lead to a coarse and desensitized attitude to sex generally.
    Still, sexual assault is a much more serious matter. Of that I saw and heard nothing.
    I’m sorry I couldn’t have shed more light on Max’s secret. I wish I’d heard from his victims while I was making the documentary, or afterwards.
    After that last meeting in his office, I never had any more dealings with him; I never met him again. I seem to recall there were some unflattering references to me in his autobiography but I don’t remember the specifics.
    One detail that struck many people after the trial was that Max refused to apologize to any of his victims. He continued to denounce them as liars and fantasists. It was an incalculably smaller affair, but it did remind me of my own experience with him, when he’d been caught plotting on his wireless mike. I told him he’d been caught red-handed and that I’d heard everything he said. And yet, against all the evidence, he insisted he’d known he was on mike the whole time.
    And so that show's last line of commentary was oddly prescient: “The curious thing was that when caught out he wouldn’t come clean, and I wasn’t sure he ever would.”


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,048 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    The Max Clifford documentary is great. He comes off as super paranoid and is quite hostile to Louis from the outset.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 732 ✭✭✭Reebrock


    I've been looking for the Max Clifford episode for years, but can't find a DVD with it on anywhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,207 ✭✭✭maximoose


    I don't think it's available on DVD, I think I read somewhere Simon Cowell refused legal permission to release it!

    Think youtube/other means are your only option.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    maximoose wrote: »
    I don't think it's available on DVD, I think I read somewhere Simon Cowell refused legal permission to release it!

    Think youtube/other means are your only option.
    Hmmm, really?

    In fairness though, he doesn't come across great in it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,207 ✭✭✭maximoose


    There's a review on this that says it mentions in the inlay.. must have been where I read it!

    And yes, he does come across a complete tit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,034 ✭✭✭✭Basq


    Wahey, some new Louis the weekend after next..

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  • Registered Users Posts: 70 ✭✭First_October


    Good first episode. It was quite emotive at times, especially when the patients discussed their crimes. Next week looks like it will be more interesting.


  • Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭Sheeeeit


    Looking forward to the next one. I find psychopathy and mental illness fascinating.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,511 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Some sad TV right there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    I miss the old Louis.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭Mallagio


    Watched it on the BBC player last night and was deeply shocked, especially when they let that man out who was dangerously off his mind.

    Riveting insight into some poor people's worlds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


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    Felt awful for this guy. His mother's denial and overall attitude seemed like a terrible influence.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭Mallagio


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    Felt awful for this guy. His mother's denial and overall attitude seemed like a terrible influence.

    He should have been kept in, even Louis asked the main Psychiatrist was she in doubt of letting him go after he started to act very strange just prior to being "released".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    Mallagio wrote: »
    He should have been kept in, even Louis asked the main Psychiatrist was she in doubt of letting him go after he started to act very strange just prior to being "released".

    The main psychiatrist didn't seem all that together herself tbf.

    That guys mother's attitude wasn't that helpful. Saying that her son wasn't a nut wasn't great. Don't think he should've been allowed to watch those videos either.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭aphex™


    Louis is working on a Scientology feature film with the bbc, info here.

    Hope it works out better than the last time the BBC dabbled with scientology.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭Mallagio


    aphex™ wrote: »
    Louis is working on a Scientology feature film with the bbc, info here.

    Hope it works out better than the last time the BBC dabbled with scientology.

    This will be a must see


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,867 ✭✭✭kn


    Thought the Louis programmes on the Ohio NGRI was really slow viewing myself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    That was a hard one to watch for me, obviously Dean's case in particular. Does make me so thankful for how lucky I have it though I suppose.

    I do slightly miss the quirky, jolly, friendly old Louis who did specials about Wrestling and UFOlogists. We see a lot less of that these days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,018 ✭✭✭✭adox


    I thought it was some of his best work to date. He does seem to be going down the road of more serious subject matters compared to his earlier work, but he still approaches things differently than most.

    He really is(or appears on screen to be) a very gifted interviewer and has that knack of getting people to talk to him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    aphex™ wrote: »
    Louis is working on a Scientology feature film with the bbc, info here.

    Hope it works out better than the last time the BBC dabbled with scientology.

    If you haven't seen the recent HBO Scientology documentary 'Going Clear' I'd advise watching it. They hired 200 lawyers before airing it simply to deal with the impending backlash from the cult.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭Mallagio


    For me it has to be his most important work to date, By Reason of Insanity obviously wasn't his usual tongue-in-cheek, but it touched on an very awful side of what a human can go through.

    Sometimes I feel he doesn't always keep neutral like he should, but in this two-part docu he deployed it perfectly.

    Dean's case was beyond shocking, his poor mother spoke as best she could on the shocker.

    Riveting yet shocking.

    Thank God for the BBC Player, I'd have been very upset to not have watched the second part.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,034 ✭✭✭✭Basq


    Some more new Louis this weekend!
    Louis Theroux: Transgender Kids
    BBC2 London
    9:00pm-10:00pm (1 hour )
    Sun 5 Apr


    Louis travels to San Francisco, where pioneering medical professionals are helping children who say they were born in the wrong body to transition from one sex to the other. At the Child and Adolescent Gender Centre at UCSF Hospital, he meets youngsters who have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria and who are undergoing medical interventions, from puberty blockers to hormone-replacement therapy and ultimately gender-reassignment surgery. Louis spends time with the clinic's patients and their families as they negotiate their way along this life-changing and emotional journey


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭Mallagio


    Basq wrote: »
    Some more new Louis this weekend!

    Hopefully it's another stormer :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭FouxDaFaFa


    Just finished watching the second part of By Reason Of Insanity and I think it's some of the best stuff Louis has ever done.

    Absolutely phenomenal.

    There's so much ambiguity and difficulty, especially with religion and mental illness. You're working with people to cure them of delusions and hallucinations but have to make accomodations for this one "imaginary" being that it's okay to believe in because such a large swathe of the population believes the same and are not consdiered mentally ill.

    Dean's case was particularly interesting, if nauseating. His mother is a better human than I could ever hope to be. His introspection about whether he was actually mentally ill or just a "monster" was so raw. It's the kind of thing you might ask yourself when you see something on the news, so to see the person responsible voice those same thoughts about themselves was just...it was like he'd cut open a vein.

    I can appreciate why some people would miss the "old" Louis but I think he's matured great interview skills that he's always had into something that lets him explore things incredibly deeply. I'm looking forward to the transgender doc and his scientology doc especially.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    The only thing I'd say about his transgender doc is that it's kind of a well-trodden path at this point. Not quite a breakthrough topic like the NGRI one is.

    I suppose I could say the same for the Scientology one, but I have no doubts that that one will be a real classic too. I should really just wait and see :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭krustydoyle


    This is f**king nuts but compelling viewing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    The age of some of the kids is a bit disturbing.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,839 ✭✭✭Caovyn Lineah


    Am I alone in thinking that in some of these cases the parents are behind a lot of this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭krustydoyle


    The age of some of the kids is a bit disturbing.

    For me, there's no way the kids can be 100% sure this is what they want.

    And yes it's definitely disturbing when they are that young.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,839 ✭✭✭Caovyn Lineah


    For me, there's no way the kids can be 100% sure this is what they want.

    And yes it's definitely disturbing when they are that young.

    The girl at the start is 5 and knew what transgender means, sorry but my 5 year old couldn't spell transgender, let alone know what it means. A lot of it in that case is down to the parents.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,601 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The girl at the start is 5 and knew what transgender means, sorry but my 5 year old couldn't spell transgender, let alone know what it means. A lot of it in that case is down to the parents.

    We know that there are transgender people, these people all had parents who knew them growing up and saw them struggling with their identity.

    I don't know if there is a 'right' way to respond to these challenges, so I don't feel like we should judge these well meaning parents for trying their best to do what's best for their kids


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