Aid Floatillas Attacked

EuskalHerria · 31-05-2010 4:48am #1

I wouldn't be starting a political thread in here if it wasn't so serious and needed immediate attention. If people could try not to deviate away from the main issue here it would be appreciated as this is important and something that extends beyond merely politics, but has become a humanitarian issue

Reports coming in at the minute, and hopefully will turn out not to be false in the morning, that volunteers on the boats bringing badly needed aid and supplies to Gaza were killed when the IDF opened fire on them leaving some injured and a reported 3 dead.

It would astonish me if this did not become a huge international issue. The agenda of those on the ships were clear and yet Israel continued, in international waters, to fire on innocent men and women only trying to deliver much needed aid to a region that has been crippled by blockades. I Believe ,in case of a situation like this, many political activists from across the world and many media representatives were included on the flotilla to document what goes on. So hopefully a transparent report of events will come to light very soon.

As I'm typing there is live footage on this link http://www.livestream.com/insaniyardim, you can hear gunfire as IDF soldiers are lowered upon one of the vessels.

There can be no justification for any of these actions by the IDF, regardless of anyone being dead which is still obviously unconfirmed among all the commotion aboard the flotillas. In international waters attacking ships trying to deliver aid is outrageous and any right minded individual would condemn this.

Jimmy Garlic · 31-05-2010 4:59am

They have killed at least two people and injured 30 according to Al Jazeera..

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/05/201053133047995359.html

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 31-05-2010 5:14am

EuskalHerria wrote: »

I wouldn't be starting a political thread in here if it wasn't so serious and needed immediate attention. If people could try not to deviate away from the main issue here it would be appreciated as this is important and something that extends beyond merely politics, but has become a humanitarian issue

Reports coming in at the minute, and hopefully will turn out not to be false in the morning, that volunteers on the boats bringing badly needed aid and supplies to Gaza were killed when the IDF opened fire on them leaving some injured and a reported 3 dead.

It would astonish me if this did not become a huge international issue. The agenda of those on the ships were clear and yet Israel continued, in international waters, to fire on innocent men and women only trying to deliver much needed aid to a region that has been crippled by blockades. I Believe ,in case of a situation like this, many political activists from across the world and many media representatives were included on the flotilla to document what goes on. So hopefully a transparent report of events will come to light very soon.

As I'm typing there is live footage on this link http://www.livestream.com/insaniyardim, you can hear gunfire as IDF soldiers are lowered upon one of the vessels.

There can be no justification for any of these actions by the IDF, regardless of anyone being dead which is still obviously unconfirmed among all the commotion aboard the flotillas. In international waters attacking ships trying to deliver aid is outrageous and any right minded individual would condemn this.

"Hopefully they turn out to be false" - in other words, not only did you arrogantly ignore the sub-forums (there is a humanities forum) you also posted that rant before waiting to find out if it's even true? Are you a journalist??

EuskalHerria · 31-05-2010 5:15am

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

They have killed at least two people and injured 30 according to Al Jazeera..

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/05/201053133047995359.html

Just a short extract from the article:

Israeli forces have attacked a flotilla of aid-carrying ships aiming to break the country's siege on Gaza, according to a Turkish aid agency being quoted by Turkish media.
At least two people were killed and more than 30 people injured, the report said early on Monday.
Footage from the flotilla's lead vessel, the Mavi Marmara, appeared to show armed Israeli soldiers boarding the ship and helicopters flying overhead.

jimi_t2 · 31-05-2010 5:17am

Ah yes, Al Jazeera.

Humanitarian orientated liberal media at its finest.

EuskalHerria · 31-05-2010 5:20am

jimi_t2 wrote: »

Ah yes, Al Jazeera.

Humanitarian orientated liberal media at its finest.

Regardless of the media outlet reporting it, if its true then it is shocking. The information has come from a Turkish Aid agency as well and is just being reported by Al Jazeera. Hopefully it will be reported by news agencies to your satisfaction soon.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 31-05-2010 5:25am

jimi_t2 wrote: »

Ah yes, Al Jazeera.

Humanitarian orientated liberal media at its finest.

Ah yes, liberal.

Let's call it liberal so people will automatically know that it's something they're not supposed to like. At its finest.

EuskalHerria wrote: »

Regardless of the media outlet reporting it, if its true then it is shocking. The information has come from a Turkish Aid agency as well and is just being reported by Al Jazeera. Hopefully it will be reported by news agencies to your satisfaction soon.

The BBC are using the word "intercepted" as opposed to "fired upon".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/10195838.stm

EuskalHerria · 31-05-2010 5:28am

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

The BBC are using the word "intercepted" as opposed to "fired upon".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/10195838.stm

I'd imagine that they are being cautious about how things are being reported at the minute, Which is only fair given the fact that nothing is known for certain as of yet. If there has been volunteers murdered then I would hope that they will not shy away from reporting what has happened.

EuskalHerria · 31-05-2010 5:33am

Really hoping this is not true but it is coming from the twiter of the Free Gaza movement, who organised this delivery of aid.

Our Israeli attorney in Haifa has said that ten people have been murdered

And that the boats are being hauled into Haifa and not Ashdod so that journalists are not there

http://twitter.com/freegazaorg

jimi_t2 · 31-05-2010 5:39am

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Ah yes, liberal.

Let's call it liberal so people will automatically know that it's something they're not supposed to like. At its finest.

Eh, I think your sarcasm filter might be clogged.

Since when could Al Jazeera ever be considered liberal?

But yeah, we've reports from some Turkey aid agency, unconfirmed reports from the Free Gaza movement and Al Jazeera.

I'm just saying I'll wait a little while before making judgement - thats all.

EuskalHerria · 31-05-2010 5:40am

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

"Hopefully they turn out to be false" - in other words, not only did you arrogantly ignore the sub-forums (there is a humanities forum) you also posted that rant before waiting to find out if it's even true? Are you a journalist??

The ship has definitely been attacked. People have definitely been seriously injured. The ships have been taken over by the IDF in international waters. What is unknown at this time is whether or not anyone has been brutally murdered during this.

EuskalHerria · 31-05-2010 5:42am

jimi_t2 wrote: »

I'm just saying I'll wait a little while before making judgement - thats all.

Apologies but it is late, so my sarcasm detector is definitely asleep even if I amn't.

Like I said there is no confirmation yet of the reported murders, but everything else is definite. A flotilla has been attacked in international waters while trying to deliver much needed aid to Gaza.

Fremen · 31-05-2010 5:46am

It's up on BBC news now:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/10195838.stm

The Israelis called the boats "provocation intended to delegitimise Israel".
Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

mikemac · 31-05-2010 5:48am

Well it's up on the BBC now and that's pretty reliable source
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10195838.stm

However Israel had declared there was a blockade in place and this unarmed ship tried to break it.
Did they think the IDF would sit back and allow it to pass?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 31-05-2010 5:50am

jimi_t2 wrote: »

Eh, I think your sarcasm filter might be clogged.

Since when could Al Jazeera ever be considered liberal?

But yeah, we've reports from some Turkey aid agency, unconfirmed reports from the Free Gaza movement and Al Jazeera.

I'm just saying I'll wait a little while before making judgement - thats all.

Trouble is, there are plenty of people around here who would post what you posted while being serious.

jimi_t2 · 31-05-2010 5:52am

Ok, just from reading the news reports.

The six-ship flotilla left international waters off the coast of Cyprus on Sunday and was expected to arrive in Gaza later on Monday.

Israel has said it would stop the boats, calling the campaign a "provocation intended to delegitimise Israel".

The interception reportedly took place in international waters, more than 150km (90 miles) off the coast of Gaza.

The ships are carrying 10,000 tonnes of aid to the Gaza Strip in an effort to break an Israeli blockade.

They're not going to get touched for this. Civilians or otherwise, they publicly said they were going to run a military blockade into an area occupied by Hamas. The Israeli's said ''no you won't'' and made it clear they'd see it as provocation. They then intercepted them in international waters en route and shots were fired for reasons we can only speculate at at the moment.

I'm not saying they were right, or remotely justifiable, but this isn't quite the N.Korean-esque alarmism that people seem to be assuming. Let's all take a deep breath and wait for the Western world to get out of bed so we can get all the facts.

EuskalHerria · 31-05-2010 5:56am

feelingstressed wrote: »

However Israel had declared there was a blockade in place and this unarmed ship tried to break it.
Did they think the IDF would sit back and allow it to pass?

They knew there would be an attempt by Israel to try and stop the Aid getting through the blockade they have imposed upon Gaza.
The point of this was of course to get Aid through to Gaza. It was done with international backing and all the contents of the ships were checked before hand and shown to be of no threat to Israel, it was simply badly needed aid.

I don't think anybody saw a reaction to the flotilla of this nature. I'd like to say i'm shocked but the IDF are a law unto themselves.

EuskalHerria · 31-05-2010 5:59am

jimi_t2 wrote: »

They're not going to get touched for this. Civilians or otherwise, they publicly said they were going to run a military blockade into an area occupied by Hamas. The Israeli's said ''no you won't'' and made it clear they'd see it as provocation. They then intercepted them in international waters en route and shots were fired for reasons we can only speculate at at the moment.

I really do not want to get off topic so I will just ask you, why would Israel not allow aid into the people of Gaza? This issue is not about Hamas or Israel, it was trying to bring aid into gaza, an area that is completely surrounded with blockades and the point of the flotilla was to bring aid to the inhabitants within Gaza.

smithy1981 · 31-05-2010 5:59am

feelingstressed wrote: »

Well it's up on the BBC now and that's pretty reliable source
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10195838.stm

However Israel had declared there was a blockade in place andi this unarmed ship tried to break it.
Did they think the IDF would sit back and allow it to pass?

Israels blockade is illegal, and it was an aid convoy full of charity workers, politicians and journalists and they had no right to stop it, Nevermind attack it.

Israel have made a big mistake if the murders turn out to be true. It's another disgraceful act from them but who's really suprised?

jimi_t2 · 31-05-2010 6:06am

EuskalHerria wrote: »

This issue is not about Hamas or Israel, it was trying to bring aid into gaza, an area that is completely surrounded with blockades and the point of the flotilla was to bring aid to the inhabitants within Gaza.

In fairness now, the area is occupied by Hamas, who are as dangerous as the IDF in their own way and are, for all intents and purposes, a terrorist group.

I don't want to get into the ins and outs of the occupation, but under international law and treaties this doesn't seem as outrageous as people make it out to be. They could have blown the ship out of the water.

EuskalHerria · 31-05-2010 6:14am

jimi_t2 wrote: »

In fairness now, the area is occupied by Hamas, who are as dangerous as the IDF in their own way and are, for all intents and purposes, a terrorist group.

Hamas are as im sure you would agree, a reactionary group. That however does not mean that the people of Gaza should suffer. The aid was being delivered to the people of Gaza, which admittedly by extension means some members of Hamas, but that does not mean that the majority should starve and suffer because of them. This aid was for the people of Gaza, by no stretch of the imagination could this complete over reaction be justified by Israel because of Hamas, and there PR department would do well to ignore that as an avenue for escape for this disgraceful action tonight.

I don't want to get into the ins and outs of the occupation, but under international law and treaties this doesn't seem as outrageous as people make it out to be. They could have blown the ship out of the water.

The flotilla was in international waters, by international law they were doing nothing wrong.

smithy1981 · 31-05-2010 6:14am

jimi_t2 wrote: »

In fairness now, the area is occupied by Hamas, who are as dangerous as the IDF in their own way and are, for all intents and purposes, a terrorist group.

I don't want to get into the ins and outs of the occupation, but under international law and treaties this doesn't seem as outrageous as people make it out to be. They could have blown the ship out of the water.

No they couldn't, its an illegal blockade in international waters, they had no right to attack it or blow it out of the water. And its an aid ship for ****s sake.

EuskalHerria · 31-05-2010 6:21am

Obviously I am posting this as a prelimanary report, but the death toll is rising significantly.

I'm off to bed now but hopefully this thread will remain focused on the main issue.

A ship carrying volunteers and aid has been attacked in international waters. The ship was not a threat yet it was attacked with live ammunition. This is an absolute disgrace on its own and reports of deaths, if confirmed only add to the level of disgust any rational human being can feel at this completely farcical action by the IDF tonight.

EuskalHerria · 31-05-2010 6:23am

Reuters
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE64T21120100531

EuskalHerria · 31-05-2010 6:25am

From the Free Gaza Movement:

"Reports coming from Istanbul is that Turks are storming the Israeli embassy there in outrage over what Israel has done"

arybvtcw0eolkf · 31-05-2010 6:49am

smithy1981 wrote: »

It's another disgraceful act from them but who's really suprised?

Once its Israel, no one is surprised..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6vyT8RzMo

Jay D · 31-05-2010 6:55am

Will wait and see what exactly IS true. Not a fan of Israel at all to be perfectly honest, but does anyone remember the child martyr? Staged shooting by French journalist.

EuskalHerria · 31-05-2010 6:55am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qypNDvEz_yI

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 31-05-2010 7:11am

EuskalHerria wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qypNDvEz_yI

Thta was put together fast. Anyway, I thought you were going to bed?

magma69 · 31-05-2010 7:31am

When is the rest of the world going to say enough is enough? Our apathy will only encourage more of this behaviour from Israel. Time for sanctions from the international community, Israel is a so called "western democracy",, if it wants to be treated as one, it must behave like one.

It is sickening. Poor people just trying to deliver aid and make the world a little easier for another human being, killed in cold blood. :mad::(

Nijmegen · 31-05-2010 7:38am

Much as I think Israel was always going to incur PR wrath for going after this flotilla, some things come to mind:

Firstly, reports are that the soldiers were attacked with knives and other weapons to hand when they boarded the vessel. Orders or no, if I was an Israeli soldier landing and someone came at me with a meat cleaver, I would put him down. At this point it is not entirely clear, but I would not think they boarded and started shooting randomly.

Secondly, on the wider topic, Israel and Hamas are at war, Hamas took Gaza in a bloody coup against the elected governement, and have been shelling Israel for years. They offered to let this gear come in through Israel over land. These activists were wrong to try and play Israel on this one.

Hamas are dropping rockets on Israel daily. Those quick to condemn Israel might think differently if they were living in range of these rockets.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 31-05-2010 7:38am

magma69 wrote: »

When is the rest of the world going to say enough is enough? Our apathy will only encourage more of this behaviour from Israel. Time for sanctions from the international community, Israel is a so called "western democracy",, if it wants to be treated as one, it must behave like one.

It is sickening. Poor people just trying to deliver aid and make the world a little easier for another human being, killed in cold blood. :mad::(

Those idiots are not interested in delivering aid, would ya cop on.

Their out for provacation and nothing else.

'Humanitarians' my arse. If they're so humanitarian and interested in getting aid through why didn't they allow representitves access to Gilad Shalit?.

As regretable as these deaths are there are also reports of an Israeli soldier being stabbed onboard one of the ships, how humanitarian is that?

The lad is only doing his job, pretty much like our own naval personnel boarding illegal trawlers and drug running shipments.

jimi_t2 · 31-05-2010 7:40am

Jay D wrote: »

Will wait and see what exactly IS true. Not a fan of Israel at all to be perfectly honest, but does anyone remember the child martyr? Staged shooting by French journalist.

QFT

Alarmism and facetiousness (and I'm accusing NO poster here of either, just to be clear) is not going to help either the Palestinian or Israeli people. Internet outrage is only going to muddle the facts and make both positions less credible.

When people start quoting media whose human-rights records and religious-bias wouldn't be the most admirable (Turkey, Al Jazeera etc...) I start to get itchy. There's already been a plethora of cases where nutjobs on either side have tried to incite a reaction from other countries/governments using staged events or misinformation. Its one of the oldest tenants of a guerrila war in disputed territory.

Hell, SKY NEWS said that protestors had, and I quote, ''stormed the Irish Parliament'' about three weeks ago, so forgive me if I take my news with a pinch of salt.

Of course its a disgrace that civilians anywhere around the world are starving or live in an urban war zone, but its important to take these things somewhat in context. I'm sure wikileaks will have the gist of it in a bit, but the facts from reuters are

1. Civilian flotilla with ''pro-Palestinian activists'', 10,000 tonnes of aid was intercepted in International waters. The convoy set off in international waters off Cyprus on Sunday in defiance of an Israeli-led blockade of the Gaza Strip and warnings that it would be intercepted. Some of the ships were flying Turkish flags.

2. When they heard the flotilla was coming a week ago, they warned them that they'd be intercepted if they tried to cross a Military blockade. The official explanation was their fears that arms supplies could reach Hamas by sea.

3. Israel has previously halted such activist ships, without casualties, although some others have reached Gaza before.

4. This time, injuries have been confirmed. No deaths have been confirmed by anyone, including the Free Gaza movement who haven't been in contact with the ships. Popular opinion suggest between 10 and 16 deaths depending on whom you believe.

5. Captured ships were sailing towards Israel's southern Mediterranean port of Ashdod, media said. Not elsewhere as the FreeGaza movement suggested.

halkar · 31-05-2010 7:41am

Have the MV Rachel Corrie join the Flotilla yet? It appears only the Turkish ship attacked so far.
This is fecking sick :mad:

rubberdiddies · 31-05-2010 7:44am

magma69 wrote: »

When is the rest of the world going to say enough is enough? Our apathy will only encourage more of this behaviour from Israel. Time for sanctions from the international community, Israel is a so called "western democracy",, if it wants to be treated as one, it must behave like one.
It is sickening. Poor people just trying to deliver aid and make the world a little easier for another human being, killed in cold blood. :mad::(

Unfortunately because the US are Israels biggest ally and supporter, this story will fizzle out pretty quickly. I hope I'm proved wrong as it's an absolute disgrace.

Sky News who normally run with a story like this fir hours and hours have given a whole 60 seconds to it since 7am. I wonder whythey aren't too interestes in it!

Again Israel will get away with doing whatver they want in the face of international law.

galwayrush · 31-05-2010 7:45am

Someone said Hamas are a reactionary group, i think they are more of a provocation group.

cyrusdvirus · 31-05-2010 8:01am

This certainly paints Israel and the IDF in a bad light, because no matter what the provocation, the first ones out with the story will always have a lead on the rest. In this case among the first ones out were those bastions of clear and concise reporting Al-Jazeera or whatever the hell they call themselves.

If it had been Fox News reporting it the other way around, that Israeli inspectors landed on the ships to check for contraband and were attacked, i have no doubt that certain media outlets would twist it to suit themselves. Hell, how do we know that that wasn't the case??

jimi_t2 · 31-05-2010 8:13am

gatecrash wrote: »

If it had been Fox News reporting it the other way around, that Israeli inspectors landed on the ships to check for contraband and were attacked, i have no doubt that certain media outlets would twist it to suit themselves. Hell, how do we know that that wasn't the case??

10,000 tonnes of a convoy, some flying the flags of an Islamist state not known for its light-handedness, approached a military blockade despite repeated warnings.

Similar convoys had been there before, and had been refused, so they knew what they were in for.

Oh, and the territory they were headed for was controlled by an Islamist extremist group known for suicide bombings and firing rockets into the suburbs of their neighbouring territories.

The flotilla was boarded (presumably) after they refused to stop going towards the blockade with a lot of very opinionated and presumably vocal people who described themselves as ''Pro-Palestinian activists'' hanging off said boats.

Seriously, you don't see MSF or the Red Cross trying to run a military blockade flying the flags of other countries, and for bloody good reason. It's provocative and accidents can happen.

Especially since they were WARNED that this would be the case.

Fair enough, the warning may have been illegal or immoral, but this, to me, seems to be effective martyrdom.

cyrusdvirus · 31-05-2010 8:20am

jimi_t2 wrote: »

10,000 tonnes of a convoy, some flying the flags of an Islamist state not known for its light-handedness, approached a military blockade despite repeated warnings.

Similar convoys had been there before, and had been refused, so they knew what they were in for.

Oh, and the territory they were headed for was controlled by an Islamist extremist group known for suicide bombings and firing rockets into the suburbs of their neighbouring territories.

The flotilla was boarded (presumably) after they refused to stop going towards the blockade with a lot of very opinionated and presumably vocal people who described themselves as ''Pro-Palestinian activists'' hanging off said boats.

Seriously, you don't see MSF or the Red Cross trying to run a military blockade flying the flags of other countries, and for bloody good reason. It's provocative and accidents can happen.

Especially since they were WARNED that this would be the case.

Fair enough, the warning may have been illegal or immoral, but this, to me, seems to be effective martyrdom.

Jimi, i wasn't defending ther actions of the convoy organisers, or defending the IDF.

But as you said, it does sound like a case of suicide by cop.

Wagon · 31-05-2010 8:34am

It wasn't in international waters. It was in an area of water banned for all ships. The turkish vessels were given clear warning to turn around and were offered to dock in a port in main Isreal, not in Gaza.

They didn't do that so Isreali soldiers boarded the ships to check out what was going on. When they did, they were attacked by men with knives who tried to kill them so they shot them. The news reports say that the boats contained about 10,000 tonnes of aid but what kind of "humanitarian aid" boats also contain women, children and men armed and prepared to kill? Who was the aid for?

Padraig Mor · 31-05-2010 8:46am

Nijmegen wrote: »

Secondly, on the wider topic, Israel and Hamas are at war, Hamas took Gaza in a bloody coup against the elected governement, and have been shelling Israel for years. They offered to let this gear come in through Israel over land. These activists were wrong to try and play Israel on this one..

Sweet suffering Jesus. It's amazing the way people can be brainwashed by propaganda. Hamas ARE the democratically elected government of Gaza (and the West Bank too). They won elections which were widely regarded as being the most free and fair in the Arab world. Israel and "the west", however, simply ignored the result because they didn't like it. The fact that Hamas has repeatedly seriously pushed for a peaceful resolution to the situation is, of course, also ignored.

dublincelt · 31-05-2010 8:53am

gatecrash wrote: »

Jimi, i wasn't defending ther actions of the convoy organisers, or defending the IDF.

But as you said, it does sound like a case of suicide by cop.

The apologists are clearly out in force this morning. More than 10 people made a decision to die by "suicide by cop"

You really, truly believe that??!!

Israel boarded this vessel in INTERNTIONAL waters. They had no right to do that. An act of piracy is what has occurred. Israel must be punished for this outrageous act.

The boat was bringing AID SUPPLIES. Wake up for Christ sake!!!!

Mister men · 31-05-2010 8:53am

Israeli ambassador needs to be kicked out of Ireland and sanctions need to be introduced here forth againest Israel. Sky news have dedicated more time to entertainment in the past hour than the savage attack.:mad:
I need to get satellite.

Adamisconfused · 31-05-2010 8:57am

Sad way to start the day. Absolutely disgusting attack on civilians who were trying to assist the innocent people of Gaza and bring public attention to the illegal Israeli imposed blocade. The Israeli ambassadors should be run out of every state on the planet.
Unfortunately, that won't happen and their right wing friends will just defend them yet again and propagate the lie that sixteen people with knives attacked commandos and therefore needed to be put down. Yeah right....

31-05-2010 8:57am

Military Blockaid. I like it.

TheZohanS · 31-05-2010 9:01am

Nijmegen wrote: »

Much as I think Israel was always going to incur PR wrath for going after this flotilla, some things come to mind:

Firstly, reports are that the soldiers were attacked with knives and other weapons to hand when they boarded the vessel. Orders or no, if I was an Israeli soldier landing and someone came at me with a meat cleaver, I would put him down. At this point it is not entirely clear, but I would not think they boarded and started shooting randomly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE5pGeCUM-Y

Yeah.

Pauleta · 31-05-2010 9:03am

Israel shouldnt be intercepting aid convoys full stop. They should be punished for this. These people on the ship should of surrendered when the commando's arrived on the ship instead of attacking them and trying to wrestle their guns off them. Im concerned about the aid being intercepted on international waters. The people who were killed, engaged in a battle on board they stupidly thought they could win. If they surrendered they would be still alive, so ive no pity for them.

Dyr · 31-05-2010 9:11am

Fremen wrote: »

It's up on BBC news now:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/10195838.stm

The Israelis called the boats "provocation intended to delegitimise Israel".
Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

Ah yes, the BBC Humanitarian orientated liberal media at its finest. Oh wait...

gurramok · 31-05-2010 9:12am

Danny Wooden Savannah wrote: »

Those idiots are not interested in delivering aid, would ya cop on.

Their out for provacation and nothing else.

'Humanitarians' my arse. If they're so humanitarian and interested in getting aid through why didn't they allow representitves access to Gilad Shalit?.

As regretable as these deaths are there are also reports of an Israeli soldier being stabbed onboard one of the ships, how humanitarian is that?

The lad is only doing his job, pretty much like our own naval personnel boarding illegal trawlers and drug running shipments.

You conveniently forgot something. They intercepted the ships in international waters, not Israeli waters.

bbc wrote:

The incident happened about 40 miles (64 km) out to sea, in international waters.

Israel should have waited for the flotilla to reach their shores if they wanted to stop it. They have scored an own goal by storming the ships in international waters.

dublincelt · 31-05-2010 9:12am

Pauleta wrote: »

Israel shouldnt be intercepting aid convoys full stop. They should be punished for this. These people on the ship should of surrendered when the commando's arrived on the ship instead of attacking them and trying to wrestle their guns off them. Im concerned about the aid being intercepted on international waters. The people who were killed, engaged in a battle on board they stupidly thought they could win. If they surrendered they would be still alive, so ive no pity for them.

Steady on there chief. Are you really going to believe the likes of Mark Regev et al? The same stooge that claimed there was NO wrongdoing going on in Gaza by his forces whilst the UN compund blazed away in the backround.

The Israeli propaganda machine certainly works a treat for the uneducated!

Dravokivich · 31-05-2010 9:23am

Anyone read the reports were the people on board the boats started attacking with knives and axes before the Isrealies opened fire?

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