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Aid Floatillas Attacked

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭Caoimhín


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/03/hamas-flotilla-aid-israel

    So let me get this straight, Israel didnt want the ships to dock, Egypt didnt want the ships to dock and the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Hamas, didnt want the ships to dock.

    Still stinks of a stunt to me and as far as i know, anyone killed on the ships were intelligent adults there by their own consent.

    I give up, give me back the "Troubles".

    EDIT. Sure the "Marchin" season is nearly upon us, not so bad.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭Indubitable


    Vincent says if he doesnt shut up they will go to break and kick the scumbag off.

    Which guy is he?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭Caoimhín


    strobe wrote: »
    That girl on the right is wiping the floor with everyone else.....fair play.

    She looks like shes filthy in bed too....

    :D

    And goodnight all.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    :D:D:D Vincent is kicking him off, cant shut his mouth spouting propaganda.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭hideous ape


    :D:D:D Vincent is kicking him off, cant shut his mouth spouting propaganda.

    Wow...it really is like watching two white South African apartheid sympathizers justifying that apartheid is ok and that Ireland should be grateful to crawl in their shadow!

    Who is the slimey hunchback creepy guy still in the studio?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭Kev_ps3


    Them Zionists on Vincent Brown really are despicable creatures to put it mildly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭Peanut


    I had the misfortune to stumble across a Fox news article while looking for an update on the Rachel Corrie.
    (It was too late to click the back button when I realised..)

    Here is the spin they are feeding their readers -
    Robert Margolis, an expert in international maritime law based out of Vancouver, Canada, said no boats, including civilian and enemy vessels, can enter a blockaded area when a maritime blockade is in effect.

    "Israel is acting under the customary maritime law of blockade," Margolis told FoxNews.com. "You're allowed to do that; they declared a blockade over a port."

    Margolis said Israel is acting "completely" within guidelines of blockades under international maritime law. Any vessel that violates a blockade, including the Rachel Corrie, may be captured, boarded or even attacked under international law.
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/03/second-aid-ship-reportedly-headed-gaza/#content

    "..You're allowed to do that.." lol... well that's ok then, thanks for clearing that up!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    Caoimhín wrote: »
    So let me get this straight, Israel didnt want the ships to dock, Egypt didnt want the ships to dock and the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Hamas, didnt want the ships to dock.

    Still stinks of a stunt to me and as far as i know, anyone killed on the ships were intelligent adults there by their own consent.

    I give up, give me back the "Troubles".
    Dude, you're seriously putting a spin on that.

    What Hamas actually said(according to the article you linked):
    "Hamas has said it will not permit the supplies to enter the besieged territory until all detained activists are released and Israel agrees to deliver all aid consignments, including construction materials."

    What you say Hamas said:
    "We didn't want the ships to dock"

    Do you notice a huge massive difference between the two?

    That's what makes people mistrustful of your posts :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭Caoimhín


    No "Dude" that is not what I said, you have simplified the point I was making and taken it out of context for your own conspiracy theorist reasons.

    That's what makes people mistrustful of your posts

    Well if trying to strike a balance and moderate some of the more fanatical posters ON BOTH SIDES makes you mistrustful of my posts then I shall leave you to be mistrustful all you like in your bunker while wearing your tinfoil hat and blazing out all your mistrust of others.

    Goodnight Sir.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    Caoimhín wrote: »
    No "Dude" that is not what I said, you have simplified the point I was making and taken it out of context for your own conspiracy theorist reasons.
    Yes "Dude" that is what you said.

    Your post:
    "Hamas, didnt want the ships to dock."
    Taken exactly from your post.

    Why are you now trying to pretend you didn't in fact, say that?
    Also, what conspiracy theory am I promulgating?



    Well if trying to strike a balance and moderate some of the more fanatical posters ON BOTH SIDES makes you mistrustful of my posts then I shall leave you to be mistrustful all you like in your bunker while wearing your tinfoil hat and blazing out all your mistrust of others.

    Goodnight Sir.
    No, completely misrepresenting what a news article said for your own reasons makes me mistrustful of your post(s).
    What about that requires me have a bunker and wear a tinfoil hat, when it's quite clear you have in fact done exactly that?

    Let's reiterate.

    What you said the guardian article stated:
    Hamas, didnt want the ships to dock.

    What the Guardian article actually stated:
    Hamas has said it will not permit the supplies to enter the besieged territory until all detained activists are released and Israel agrees to deliver all aid consignments, including construction materials.

    That's spin. Unadulterated spin.
    It's not trying to mediate or moderate, it's not trying to see both sides, it's blatantly misrepresenting an article to make it back up your own point and your own view.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    prinz wrote: »
    It also showed the open in-fighting in the Knesset over the whole thing but don't let that stop the tarring..

    You mean like all the disgusting tarring of the activists, as terrorists, or even of being Al Qaeda by the Israeli government, despite those accusations being complete and utter lies. If thats what you mean, I haven't see such an equivalent being directed at Israel in this instance.
    prinz wrote: »
    NOT ALL ISRAELIS THINK THE SAME WAY.

    Don't remember anyone saying otherwise.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭recylingbin


    I think we should all stfu and let the Israelis do as they please. They need their lebensraum.
    It's not like anybody gets hurt when a country expands a little as their parents and grandparents could tell you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Wow...it really is like watching two white South African apartheid sympathizers justifying that apartheid is ok and that Ireland should be grateful to crawl in their shadow!

    Who is the slimey hunchback creepy guy still in the studio?

    The last time I saw that head from UCD, he'd managed to accuse Robert Fisk of the blood libel against the Jews. He was pro-Iraq war as well, as far as I remember.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭Memnoch


    Noreen1 wrote: »
    I confess to serious reservations about the orders the Israeli soldiers received - for the very simple reason that several discrepancies have already been highlighted in the "official" Israeli story. I suspect that live ammunition was fired before any soldiers boarded the ship - for the very simple reason that A: The video footage is heavily edited, and B: Why the communications blackout? Why confiscate all evidence from the aid flotilla, if Israel behaved so impeccably?

    That's reason for serious concern, even before we consider the issue of International waters, and the kidnapping of citizens of sovereign states.

    There is no question in my mind that whatever Israeli official/s issued the order to board those ships has serious questions to answer. That has nothing to do with the individual soldiers right - even instinct - to self-defence, though!

    It seems to me that much of the media has already accepted the Israeli story - but if aid workers aboard other ships were victims of either assault aboard ship, or mistreatment while in illegal custody - then surely the edited video evidence presented thus far will lose any and all credibility!!

    Noreen

    Yup, and this proves one thing, the Israelis have become such masters of the spin machine that they can do anything they want and get away with it.

    I mean they launched a commando assault in the middle of the night on innocent aid workers, killed a bunch of them, brutalised all the rest.

    Then they used the fact that they destroyed all the evidence and kidnapped 600 people and kept them out of touch for 3 days to paint their own soldiers as some kind of heros and the mainstream media didn't challenge the countless holes in their narrative.

    That's the difference between Gandhi and today. If Gandhi was alive today, the brits would have probably sent in operatives to shoot him or blow him up long before he could make a difference and then would have spun it somehow that it was some extremist who killed him.

    State police and military all around the world have become adept at breaking up peaceful civil protest while portraying the protesters as violent people who "forced" the police to take action. It's disgusting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭Noreen1


    Caoimhín wrote: »
    Really? I can clearly remember British Soldiers forensically taking cars apart to "Look for contraband" at every border crossing, well the ones they left open (they blew up bridges all along the border in the 70's to prevent traffic crossing in areas they could not patrol).

    There are similarities everywhere in this sad, sad situation, most notably the 'tit for tat' violence and the contineous blame game and 'who did what first'. The "who fired first?" question about the boats reminds me of another example.


    Oh, and it is the Occupied six counties, not Northern Ireland ;)

    I remember being searched when crossing the border - I don't remember any ruling on "essential foods", though!

    Neither do I remember people having to live in tents, irrespective of their political opinions, because they weren't allowed to rebuild their homes!

    "There are similarities everywhere in this sad, sad situation, most notably the 'tit for tat' violence and the contineous blame game and 'who did what first'. The "who fired first?" question about the boats reminds me of another example."

    Agreed - but there are also some pretty extreme differences!

    Noreen


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭Noreen1


    Memnoch wrote: »
    Yup, and this proves one thing, the Israelis have become such masters of the spin machine that they can do anything they want and get away with it.

    I mean they launched a commando assault in the middle of the night on innocent aid workers, killed a bunch of them, brutalised all the rest.

    Then they used the fact that they destroyed all the evidence and kidnapped 600 people and kept them out of touch for 3 days to paint their own soldiers as some kind of heros and the mainstream media didn't challenge the countless holes in their narrative.

    That's the difference between Gandhi and today. If Gandhi was alive today, the brits would have probably sent in operatives to shoot him or blow him up long before he could make a difference and then would have spun it somehow that it was some extremist who killed him.

    State police and military all around the world have become adept at breaking up peaceful civil protest while portraying the protesters as violent people who "forced" the police to take action. It's disgusting.


    I'd broadly agree with this - though I'm withholding final judgement until I hear the evidence from people on the other ships. It's not that I condone Israeli actions, but in the interest of making an impartial judgement, I have to acknowledge the possibility that some extremists might have been aboard the Mavi Marmara.

    Noreen


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭nice1franko


    From http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/cal81/member_of_the_israeli_parliament_who_was_on_board/

    Redditors,

    We are shocked at the amount of anti-semitism being voiced on your website, and feel the need to set the record straight. The IDF has incontrovertible evidence that the flotillas were armed to the teeth, ready to kill Israeli citizens on a moment’s notice.

    Flares of mass destruction

    There is no legitimate reason why seabound vessels would EVER carry emergency flares. The flares were clearly going to be used in the manufacturing of rockets that would be fired at Israeli cities.

    Slingshots of mass destruction

    This screenshot of slingshots and glass jars full of rocks was definitely not a fabrication that builds on the stereotype of Palestinians being a bunch of primitive stone throwers. Militant activist ships load up on slingshots and rocks all the time. In fact, just last week Greenpeace sent 5000 slingshots to help overthrow Kim Jong Il. Israel has a right to defend itself and we will not allow this to happen to our country.

    Kitchen knives and a very scary looking Arabian dagger

    Notice how they are conveniently placed on top of a muslim flag, right next to a conveniently placed keffiyeh. If this doesn’t prove that scary muslims are out to kill you, I don’t know what will. Muslims. MUSLIMS!!1

    Perhaps the most sinister of the weaponry found on board, was this glass bottle, capable of holding enough toxic gas to wipe out an entire continent. Or enough high fructose corn syrup to make a gerbil overweight. Either way, Israel had to act.

    Look guys, here are the facts:
    The IDF only receives $6 billion per year in funding from the USA, a mere 30% of total foreign aid. We simply do not have the resources to fake footage of rusty knives, bottles and rocks. The IDF would not do this. The IDF has never lied in the past and it never will. The bottom line is that those flotillas were carrying pebbles of mass destruction, and Israel has every right to defend itself in any way it sees fit. You can’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, and you can’t run a peaceful democracy without killing a few activists.

    Yours sincerely,

    The Anti Defamation League.

    P.S. You are all anti-semites.
    :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 152 ✭✭joesoap007


    some news

    Three Israeli naval were tailing the rachel corrie ... but still have not boarded her yet.shes 40 miles away from gaza but they have jamed their radar.dont no how true the report is tho.

    radar jammed is bad,hope they dont hit anything like sandbars or run aground.

    hope their all safe

    anyone?


  • Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭Silverado


    It is daylight, viability is good and they will be using a GPS chartplotter. They know exactly where they are so the lack of radar is no problem. They have probably jammed their communications too, that could be a problem.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39 Eibhin70


    08:52 (Israeli time)
    IDF: We have sighted the 'Rachel Corrie' and have radioed it to identify itself (Reuters)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭recylingbin


    Eibhin70 wrote: »
    08:52 (Israeli time)
    IDF: We have sighted the 'Rachel Corrie' and have radioed it to identify itself (Reuters)
    :confused:

    Identify yourself boat whose name we already know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,287 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    We all know what 'sights' the Israelis use on unarmed people... sights on their weapons


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭Truley


    Here are the names and some backgroud on the the scary terrorists that were killed last week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Truley wrote: »
    Here are the names and some backgroud on the the scary terrorists that were killed last week.

    Wow what an objective link, moron :rolleyes:

    Why are Irish people so bloody obsessed with infantalising Palestinians and Hamas?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Wow what an objective link, moron :rolleyes:

    Why are Irish people so bloody obsessed with infantalising Palestinians and Hamas?

    What was wrong with that link?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 268 ✭✭Adamisconfused


    Wow what an objective link, moron :rolleyes:

    Why are Irish people so bloody obsessed with infantalising Palestinians and Hamas?

    The link simply states who they were and the fact that many were family men with dependent children.:confused:
    I suppose you won't be happy until you see the photoshopped version of those photos with added Kalashnikovs and titled "Allahu Akbar".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    The link simply states who they were and the fact that many were family men with dependent children.:confused:
    I suppose you won't be happy until you see the photoshopped version of those photos with added Kalashnikovs and titled "Allahu Akbar".

    Grand I'll post my own links and we'll see what these peaceful guys were up to



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,287 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Grand I'll post my own links and we'll see what these peaceful guys were up to

    Please show us the unedited version... thanks


  • Registered Users Posts: 268 ✭✭Adamisconfused


    Grand I'll post my own links and we'll see what these peaceful guys were up to


    Ooh...I've seen that one. It's a cracker. I wouldn't mind seeing the unedited version as well. I've been looking for it all week and for the life of me, I can't seem to find it.:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Please show us the unedited version... thanks

    LOL what more do you need to see? What kind of pets did the victims have? Don't forget to post those, i bet they were REALLY cuuuuute kittens


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Grand I'll post my own links and we'll see what these peaceful guys were up to


    Wow. You complain about the objectivity of one link and you post a censored and annotated IDF video in response.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    dvpower wrote: »
    Wow. You complain about the objectivity of one link and you post a censored and annotated IDF video in response.

    The link posted before mine had nothing to do with the actual events - it was just "oooh look at how nice these people were". Edited or not - those things in that video DID happen - they were not as peaceful as you're trying to imply with your own link - if anything that video is a pretty strong rebuttal


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,287 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    LOL what more do you need to see?

    Fairly self explanatory

    'Please show us the unedited version'

    The raw footage, the footage that has not been chopped, the footage that has not been annotated.

    Do you need to go up the tree to get access to it? I wonder why the unedited version is not shown? Hmmm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Fairly self explanatory

    'Please show us the unedited version'

    The raw footage, the footage that has not been chopped, the footage that has not been annotated.

    Do you need to go up the tree to get access to it? I wonder why the unedited version is not shown? Hmmm

    It won't change what's already up there, and what already happened - "brave, peaceful" protesters ambushing soldiers and beating them with chairs, metal pipes, knives, firebombs and seizing their live ammunition.That video shows the scene once the IDF boarded the ship and the absolute chaos that occurred.

    What do you think an unedited version will show to help your cause - serious q

    Also I don't have the unedited as I'm not part of the IDF but keep repeating that ad infitum


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭Truley


    The link posted before mine had nothing to do with the actual events - it was just "oooh look at how nice these people were".

    To an extent, yes. It provides as much information you can get about the people from the traces of themselves they left on the internet; their facebooks, their flikrs etc. Seeing we are on the subject of the deaths of nine people, I thought it would make sense to get as much info as possible on who they actually were. It's not my fault a background check hasn't turned up anything negative about them.

    I've reported you for calling me a moron by the way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Wow what an objective link, moron :rolleyes:
    You win a holiday, in Gaza.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Playboy


    It won't change what's already up there, and what already happened - "brave, peaceful" protesters ambushing soldiers and beating them with chairs, metal pipes, knives, firebombs and seizing their live ammunition.That video shows the scene once the IDF boarded the ship and the absolute chaos that occurred.

    What do you think an unedited version will show to help your cause - serious q

    Also I don't have the unedited as I'm not part of the IDF but keep repeating that ad infitum

    Are you an Israeli apologist or just a bit simple?

    1. The boat was in international waters
    2. The blocade of Gaza is illegal so any 'right' to board the ships does not stand
    3. Why on earth would you send soldiers with guns to board a ship from helicopters in the middle of the night if you werent looking for trouble? Why not send the coast guard in the middle of the day accompanied by theUN or journalists?
    4. Why do we only see a short window of time during the course of these events that the IDF only want us to see? Why not release the footage beginning to end if there is nothing to hide? Its like having evidence to refute all allegations but just not releasing it. Israel are the kings of propoganda and PR .. u really think if there was nothing incriminating in the footage then we wouldnt be seeing it? What we are seeing is people defending themselves from aggresive action by an armed force who killed at least 9 people and who had no legal right to be on board that ship.
    5. Read this article .. does this sound like executions or self defence? People dont get shot at close range in the back of the head or the back if they are the ones attacking


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭Indubitable


    The link posted before mine had nothing to do with the actual events - it was just "oooh look at how nice these people were". Edited or not - those things in that video DID happen - they were not as peaceful as you're trying to imply with your own link - if anything that video is a pretty strong rebuttal

    TBF, if I was being shot at I would do the same thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    It won't change what's already up there, and what already happened - "brave, peaceful" protesters ambushing soldiers and beating them with chairs, metal pipes, knives, firebombs

    we need some new emoticons.


  • Registered Users Posts: 534 ✭✭✭Madd Finn


    It won't change what's already up there, and what already happened - "brave, peaceful" protesters ambushing soldiers and beating them with chairs, metal pipes, knives, firebombs and seizing their live ammunition.That video shows the scene once the IDF boarded the ship and the absolute chaos that occurred.

    What do you think an unedited version will show to help your cause - serious q

    Also I don't have the unedited as I'm not part of the IDF but keep repeating that ad infitum


    Your trembling self righteous anger would be almost funny if the events were not so brutal and tragic.

    I'm not a great one for rebel songs but there is quite a famous one which goes.
    "Come tell us how you slew
    Those brave Arabs two by two
    Like the Zulus they had spears and bows and arrows
    Did you bravely face down one with your 20 pounder gun
    And frighten those poor natives to the marrow."


    These guys reacted angrily to a gang of heavily armed robocops busting on to their boat with machine guns and assault rifles by using weapons that would nothave been out of place in the Bronze Age: slingshots, knives, axes, bits of iron bar.

    They were carrying a non lethal cargo intended for civilians. The Israelis were the thugs who militarised the situation.

    And you wonder why people are naturally drawn to sympathising with the victims?

    "Why does nobody like me, mummy?"

    "I have no idea, Dogbreath"


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    It was only a matter of time before this guy would step in.

    "Viva Palestina founder George Galloway, speaking to a crowd of around 20,000 protesting outside the Israeli embassy in London, revealed the latest plan to bring about the end of the siege on Gaza.

    Two simultaneous convoys – one by land the other by sea – will set forth on SUNDAY 12 SEPTEMBER bound for Gaza. Viva Palestina, the International Committee to break the Siege on Gaza and any allies who will join us will organize the two convoys.

    The land convoy will leave from London and travel across Europe to Turkey, Syria and ultimately through the Rafah Gate into Gaza. Cooperation will be offered and sought with all relevant governments and agencies. It is expected the convoy will pick up vehicles and volunteers in each country through which it passes. The target is to enter Gaza with 500 vehicles.

    The sea convoy will travel around the Mediterranean gathering ships, cargo, volunteers from each country. The target is to enter Gaza with 60 ships.

    The aim will be to arrive on Gaza's frontiers at the same time. And to enter with the world's largest ever aid convoys. And to thereby render the siege null and void".

    This will be a very interesting PR challange to the Israeli authorities, particularly if it is sanctioned by so many political parties and if the convoys contain high profile individuals and press.

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1006/S00143.htm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 152 ✭✭joesoap007


    Grand I'll post my own links and we'll see what these peaceful guys were up to



    heres somthing for you to sign.you will like it very much.
    i just signed it myself.

    2 years and i bet it will be full.what do you think?



    http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?26011977&101


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭nice1franko


    Wow what an objective link, moron :rolleyes:

    Why are Irish people so bloody obsessed with infantalising Palestinians and Hamas?

    Why are you Zionists so bloody obsessed with killing Palestinian infants?

    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Israeli-Army-T-Shirt-Controversy-Images-Slogans-Mock-Gaza-Killings/Media-Gallery/200903315245923?lid=GALLERY_15245923_IsraeliArmyTShirtControversy:Images,SlogansMockGazaKillings&lpos=searchresults

    See esp. pics 3, 5 & 6.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭Noreen1


    Good news:
    Israel will significantly ease its blockade of the Gaza Strip today in an effort to blunt international criticism after a deadly Israeli commando raid on an aid flotilla, officials said.Senior cabinet ministers are meeting to limit restrictions to a shortlist of goods, such as cement and steel, which Tel Aviv says militants could use to attack Israel.
    But even those goods would be allowed in to an undetermined extent in co-ordination with the United Nations, the officials said.
    

    Source: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0616/breaking21.html.


    At least the aid from the flotilla will be delivered in its entirety.
    Hopefully, agreements can now be reached whereby the innocent civilians in Gaza will get the aid they so desperately need.:)

    Noreen


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 Concept21


    Anyone else find this a bit disturbing, that Michael Martin expels an unnamed Israeli embassy official for his part in falsifying Irish passports for Mossad, which were then used by assassins who killed Hamas guy in Dubai. I've no meas for Hamas but all a bit crazy if this is what the Israeli embassy are up to in Dublin.
    Also a touch of media-management about Martin's decision to expel this guy on a very busy news day - vote of confidence in Cowen, Kenny facing revolt. And why not name the official if he's so convinced he falsified Irish passports for Mossad.
    What else are Mossad up to here - Derek and Jenny Graham the couple on board the Rachel Corrie last week said Israeli Defence Forces showed them photographs they took of them working on the boat before departure, photos were taken by Mossad in Dundalk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Concept21 wrote: »
    And why not name the official if he's so convinced he falsified Irish passports for Mossad..

    Perhaps you should read up on what Martin actually said. There is no proof whatsoever the expelled individual had anything to do with the false passports. He was expelled by virtue of being a staffer at the Israeli embassy, nothing more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    Concept21 wrote: »
    Anyone else find this a bit disturbing, that Michael Martin expels an unnamed Israeli embassy official for his part in falsifying Irish passports for Mossad, which were then used by assassins who killed Hamas guy in Dubai. I've no meas for Hamas but all a bit crazy if this is what the Israeli embassy are up to in Dublin.
    Also a touch of media-management about Martin's decision to expel this guy on a very busy news day - vote of confidence in Cowen, Kenny facing revolt. And why not name the official if he's so convinced he falsified Irish passports for Mossad.
    What else are Mossad up to here - Derek and Jenny Graham the couple on board the Rachel Corrie last week said Israeli Defence Forces showed them photographs they took of them working on the boat before departure, photos were taken by Mossad in Dundalk.

    The expelling of the Israeli diplomat was symbolic, the government said they were not saying he had anything to do with the passports, but as a representative of Israel he was culpable.

    "He stressed that the designated embassy official was not accused or suspected of any particular wrongdoing. “In being obliged to leave their post prematurely, the official concerned is a victim of the actions of the state they represent."

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2010/0616/1224272613897.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    This dose not help the situation at all.

    Israel considers the Turkish Muslim charity IHH involved in organising a flotilla of aid ships to Gaza last month as a "terrorist organisation," public television said Wednesday.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...gleFV2Ah9rxAxw


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 220 ✭✭Aids By Google


    I was not attacked, so mossad told me.


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