Hacking

ardinn · 25-10-2014 6:02am #1

Apparently there are little or no real laws in Ireland regarding hacking.

I recently took down a number of websites for test purposes for minimal periods of time to see the consequences and to test my own ability but found zero retaliation or issues relating to said disruptions.

Does irish law have specific regulations regarding hacking/disruptive intent involving digital content or do we ignore in most cases?

Opinions and legal interpretations welcome!

Kirby · 25-10-2014 6:10am

ardinn wrote: »

Apparently there are little or no real laws in Ireland regarding hacking.

I recently took down a number of websites for test purposes for minimal periods of time to see the consequences and to test my own ability but found zero retaliation or issues relating to said disruptions.

Does irish law have specific regulations regarding hacking/disruptive intent involving digital content or do we ignore in most cases?

Opinions and legal interpretations welcome!

Just so you know, people are just going to focus on the bolded bit. Everything else you said will be ignored.

ardinn · 25-10-2014 6:14am

Well hopefully you pointing it out will get most people past that

stimpson · 25-10-2014 9:48am

Pics or it didn't happen.

relax carry on · 25-10-2014 9:54am

ardinn wrote: »

I recently took down a number of websites for test purposes for minimal periods of time to see the consequences and to test my own ability

Why would you do this? What is wrong with you?

Guy:Incognito · 25-10-2014 9:55am

Deciding to not pay your hosting bills isn't hacking.

Bobeagleburger · 25-10-2014 9:56am

I recently had George Bush in a headlock.

Just as a test.

The Adversary · 25-10-2014 9:59am

Openly admitting you hacked websites on the surface web. Amateur mistake.

Buona Fortuna · 25-10-2014 10:04am

ardinn wrote: »

Apparently there are little or no real laws in Ireland regarding hacking.

I recently took down a number of websites for test purposes for minimal periods of time to see the consequences and to test my own ability but found zero retaliation or issues relating to said disruptions.

Does irish law have specific regulations regarding hacking/disruptive intent involving digital content or do we ignore in most cases?

Opinions and legal interpretations welcome!

Were these like Amazon, RTE, Boards, something people might notice, or My-Blog-by-Rabbit-Bunny-Kins.ie?

longhalloween · 25-10-2014 10:05am

I think the max jail time for hacking is 5 years or something small like that.

One eyed Jack · 25-10-2014 10:07am

We have a few alright, first one off the top of my head -

9.—(1) A person who dishonestly, whether within or outside the State, operates or causes to be operated a computer within the State with the intention of making a gain for himself or herself or another, or of causing loss to another, is guilty of an offence.

(2) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on conviction on indictment to a fine or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years or both.

Criminal Justice (Theft and Fraud Offences) Act, 2001, Section 9

Bobeagleburger · 25-10-2014 10:08am

. Before prison

() After prison

kneemos · 25-10-2014 10:09am

Wouldn't say he'd hack if he had Ebola.

Tail Docker · 25-10-2014 10:26am

Thought this was gonna be a Hurling thread.

The Backwards Man · 25-10-2014 10:47am

OP you sound a bit like an old teacher I had who claimed to have a foolproof horseracing system but declined to use it as he didn't want to damage the gambling industry

Banjo String · 25-10-2014 10:53am

Apparently there are little or no real laws in Ireland regarding hacking.

I call BS on this.

Just ask the scissor sisters.

Tokyo · 25-10-2014 11:03am

ardinn wrote: »

I recently took down a number of websites for test purposes for minimal periods of time to see the consequences and to test my own ability but found zero retaliation or issues relating to said disruptions.

No you didn't.

antodeco · 25-10-2014 11:06am

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

My-Blog-by-Rabbit-Bunny-Kins.ie?

OP is at it again. That sites has gone down/not loading

Molester Stallone II · 25-10-2014 11:08am

Try hacking American military or govt depts, extradition is your only man then

BBDBB · 25-10-2014 11:11am

what a nasty minded & spiteful thing to do, (if you really did it)

I genuinely don't understand that destructive mentality when you have a talent for something

Why don't you use your abilities to help people who don't have that talent instead?

Buona Fortuna · 25-10-2014 11:13am

Molester Stallone II wrote: »

Try hacking American military or govt depts, extradition is your only man then

Yep the real test. Start a thread when were 12 hours from thermo-nuclear meltdown.

Recondite49 · 25-10-2014 11:16am

mike_ie wrote: »

No you didn't.

Should be easy enough to test, if we were to give you a website address one of us owned then could you take it down at a set time of day? I have my doubts... :-D

Micky Dolenz · 25-10-2014 11:34am

I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die.

Gummy Panda · 25-10-2014 11:39am

mike_ie wrote: »

No you didn't.

He did. He is zero cool the legendary hacker who crashed fifteen hundred and seven computers in one day.

kneemos · 25-10-2014 11:46am

Gummy Panda wrote: »

He did. He is zero cool the legendary hacker who crashed fifteen hundred and seven computers in one day.

Not unless he was driving the delivery truck.

lanos · 25-10-2014 11:51am

ardinn wrote: »

I recently took down a number of websites for test purposes for minimal periods of time to see the consequences and to test my own ability

Just to ascertain the truthfulness of your claim, can we ask the method you employed.
Not step-by-step instructions, just a brief description So as not to assist copycat wannabe hacking attempts.

But also not so vague as I EXPLOITED A KNOWN VULNERABILITY

Maybe then we will provide legal opinions etc

Tokyo · 25-10-2014 11:53am

Well boards is still up and running... I'm calling bull**** until I get a 404 here...

Sauve · 25-10-2014 11:57am

mike_ie wrote: »

Well boards is still up and running... I'm calling bull**** until I get a 404 here...

I'll 404 you if I have to go do something useful with my day :pac:

Chorcai · 25-10-2014 12:19pm

I think someone just watched The Net for the 1st time

Molester Stallone II · 25-10-2014 12:39pm

Chorcai wrote: »

I think someone just watched The Net for the 1st time

Did you enjoy it?

Chunners · 25-10-2014 12:52pm

Finally Neo has arrived and is preparing to save us all from the Matrix

lanos wrote: »

Just to ascertain the truthfulness of your claim, can we ask the method you employed.
Not step-by-step instructions, just a brief description So as not to assist copycat wannabe hacking attempts.

But also not so vague as I EXPLOITED A KNOWN VULNERABILITY

Maybe then we will provide legal opinions etc

Give him time man, thats a lot of stuff to google and reword, any bets any reply he gives includes the words "DDOS" or "SQL injections"

aaronjumper · 25-10-2014 12:53pm

Chunners wrote: »

Finally Neo has arrived and is preparing to save us all from the Matrix

Give him time man, thats a lot of stuff to google and reword, any bets any reply he gives includes the words "DDOS" or "SQL injections"

One wrong button press though. . .

http://comeadwithus.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/boom.jpg

diograis · 25-10-2014 12:53pm

Op are you single ?

BunkMoreland · 25-10-2014 12:55pm

Hacking implies he gained access to the server. Denial of service isn't hacking.

Also guessing a password isn't hacking.

shruikan2553 · 25-10-2014 1:01pm

Chunners wrote: »

Finally Neo has arrived and is preparing to save us all from the Matrix

Give him time man, thats a lot of stuff to google and reword, any bets any reply he gives includes the words "DDOS" or "SQL injections"

He probably created a GUI using visual basic to track the IP on his 12 pipe computer

Chunners · 25-10-2014 1:26pm

shruikan2553 wrote: »

He probably created a GUI using visual basic to track the IP on his 12 pipe computer

Whoa slow down there hoss, you lost him after "created", what he probably did was find the "backdoor" that EVERYONE knows exists on all protected servers and was presented with a Dos interface saying "Enter Password" so he randomly typed in numbers and letters, obviously his first few tries came up "ACCESS DENIED!" but any hacker worth his salt (which the op obviously is) can get in that way in 5 or 6 tries.

Duggy747 · 25-10-2014 1:41pm

Alright, if you really are a hacker then hack into my brain and change the pixels on the kettle so it meows quotes from Hamlet to me in an Australian bark, literally in a metaphorical sense.

salamanca22 · 25-10-2014 1:48pm

Stress testing is not considered hacking nor is DDOS. While there may not be many criminal laws in Ireland regarding cyber crimes you can sure as hell be sued in civil court for disruption of business and lost revenue.

Also to validate the op's claim about taking down it is incredibly easy to force a website down that does not have a massive bandwidth connection to the net or a hosting provider that will null route at the first signs of an attack.

kneemos · 25-10-2014 1:57pm

salamanca22 wrote: »

Stress testing is not considered hacking nor is DDOS. While there may not be many criminal laws in Ireland regarding cyber crimes you can sure as hell be sued in civil court for disruption of business and lost revenue.

Also to validate the op's claim about taking down it is incredibly easy to force a website down that does not have a massive bandwidth connection to the net or a hosting provider that will null route at the first signs of an attack.

Easier than skinning a roo for a night on the Barbie mate.

Ben Horne · 25-10-2014 1:58pm

Unless you can hack the Gibson, not listening!

UCDVet · 25-10-2014 2:00pm

Laws are well and good, but make no mistake....if you piss off enough people, or a few people enough, the it really doesn't matter.

There are enough laws that are generic enough that they'll find a way to twist it around. And even if you aren't guilty of the crime, they can sure ruin your life while they put your through the legal system for years or decades.

Hacking by itself doesn't really get you much. Let's say you can compromise some high profile site and get 100,000 credit card details. Well, that's not going to pay your rent. But if you use the credit cards, it's still illegal, even if the hacking isn't (but it probably is). Existing laws will prevent you from benefiting from your cybercrimes anyway.

And even if something isn't criminal, that doesn't mean you can't be sued or held accountable for damages as the result of your actions. If you take a website down, you'd be liable for damages, which could range from virtually nothing to millions of euro.

Robbo · 25-10-2014 2:00pm

Are you still bound for da reload, Tom da Box?

(Oooooh, oldschool reference)

UCDVet · 25-10-2014 2:13pm

shruikan2553 wrote: »

He probably created a GUI using visual basic to track the IP on his 12 pipe computer

In fairness - doing the equivalent in any other field would get him a lot of praise. It always seemed like computer enthusiasts get a bad rap.

If someone had an interest in chemistry, started reading some books on chemistry, got some chemicals, and reproduced some fairly basic experiments in their kitchen, I don't think anyone would make fun of him for being a 'chemistry-kiddie who doesn't know what he's doing'.

Even worse, in a lot of cases, we take these people (usually young kids) and treat them like criminals for having an interest, and actively trying to learn, instead of encouraging them.

pedro1234 · 25-10-2014 2:47pm

ardinn wrote: »

Apparently there are little or no real laws in Ireland regarding hacking.

I recently took down a number of websites for test purposes for minimal periods of time to see the consequences and to test my own ability but found zero retaliation or issues relating to said disruptions.

Does irish law have specific regulations regarding hacking/disruptive intent involving digital content or do we ignore in most cases?

Opinions and legal interpretations welcome!

Go see a shrink to help you deal with your narcissism.

Chunners · 25-10-2014 2:51pm

UCDVet wrote: »

In fairness - doing the equivalent in any other field would get him a lot of praise. It always seemed like computer enthusiasts get a bad rap.

If someone had an interest in chemistry, started reading some books on chemistry, got some chemicals, and reproduced some fairly basic experiments in their kitchen, I don't think anyone would make fun of him for being a 'chemistry-kiddie who doesn't know what he's doing'.

Even worse, in a lot of cases, we take these people (usually young kids) and treat them like criminals for having an interest, and actively trying to learn, instead of encouraging them.

In all fairness encouraging someone by calling them a "chemistry-kiddie" because they reproduced some fairly basic experiments in their kitchen is not the same as encouraging someone as a computer enthusiast because they hacked some websites, the equivalent there would be praising someone as a future biologist because they dissected the neighbors dog

Fate Amenable To Change · 25-10-2014 2:52pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

. Before prison

() After prison

Penetration Testing...

*grabs coat

bodhrandude · 25-10-2014 2:58pm

ardinn wrote: »

Apparently there are little or no real laws in Ireland regarding hacking.

I recently took down a number of websites for test purposes for minimal periods of time to see the consequences and to test my own ability but found zero retaliation or issues relating to said disruptions.

Does irish law have specific regulations regarding hacking/disruptive intent involving digital content or do we ignore in most cases?

Opinions and legal interpretations welcome!

Are you from Sligo by any chance, do you know Scottish Denis?

Edit: Just seen in your post that you are from Carlow.

CentimoSal · 25-10-2014 5:57pm

real hacking is hacking the world around you - not just some tiny shared hosting account in a*massive* data center that can survive multi-pronged DDOS attacks from whole continents

UCDVet · 25-10-2014 6:39pm

Chunners wrote: »

In all fairness encouraging someone by calling them a "chemistry-kiddie" because they reproduced some fairly basic experiments in their kitchen is not the same as encouraging someone as a computer enthusiast because they hacked some websites, the equivalent there would be praising someone as a future biologist because they dissected the neighbors dog

I'd disagree.

Hacking doesn't destroy anything. It could destroy data, but most 'hacking' done by inexperienced people isn't malicious. It's more along the lines of, 'So wait, if SQL injection works like that, then I could just go to a website and enter this into a textbox, and see if it works? Whoa, cool....I wanna try'. Particularly if they are making a gui in VB.

Dissecting the neighbors dog requires the dog to be killed first. You can't 'undead' a dog and you can never replace a pet. Hacking a website, without malicious intent, is more like trespassing onto the neighbour's property to play with it's dog because you really like dogs.

ILoveYourVibes · 20-01-2020 4:12am

ardinn wrote: »

Apparently there are little or no real laws in Ireland regarding hacking.

Yes it does. Offenses relating to information systems act.

It makes trying to access a computer without authority a criminal offense. It makes designing or using a computer program with the purpose of accessing an computer unlawfully an offense. Interception of data is also an offense. Interfering with data is also an offense.

You can get 5 yrs if you are convicted and up to 10 yrs if they find you have accessed a computer or information system without authority.

FanadMan · 20-01-2020 4:13am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Yes it does. Offenses relating to information systems act.

It makes trying to access a computer without authority a criminal offense. It makes designing or using a computer program with the purpose of accessing an computer unlawfully an offense. Interception of data is also an offense. Interfering with data is also an offense.

Vibes - both the prev posters are spammers

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