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Ebola virus outbreak

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    I've seen Madagascar and the closing of it's ports mentioned on this thread a couple of times. Would someone like to explain the significance of that?

    It's from a game that models disease outbreaks. Madagascar has an itchy trigger finger when it comes to closing borders.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,043 ✭✭✭Hitchens


    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-28558783

    Doctors have been told to remain vigilant for possible cases of Ebola "imported" to the UK.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Thought Simian Flu was the real worry


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭The One Doctor


    Na, flu kills twice as many people per day as this ebola outbreak has in almost a year.

    There may be a time to panic, but that time is a long long way away.

    And that puts the OP's post in a very ironic perspective.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭dd972


    Isn't he a Senegalese midfielder who played for Barca at some stage?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Autonomous Cowherd


    I find it a little bit scary, to tell the truth.

    What with Israel massacring Palestinian civilians, left, right and centre, and with little global opprobrium, the USA throwing war-making shapes at Russia, and a possible escape of Ebola out of isolated communities in Africa sparking fears of a global pandemic of bleeding to death out one's eyeballs, I think I will soon snip the electricity wires and withdrawn into blissful ignorance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,265 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I find it a little bit scary, to tell the truth.

    What with Israel massacring Palestinian civilians, left, right and centre, and with little global opprobrium, the USA throwing war-making shapes at Russia, and a possible escape of Ebola out of isolated communities in Africa sparking fears of a global pandemic of bleeding to death out one's eyeballs, I think I will soon snip the electricity wires and withdrawn into blissful ignorance.

    You forgot the planes falling out of the sky.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 847 ✭✭✭Bog Standard User


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    The death rate is up to 90%. From what I have read, it usually averages out at about 50-60%. The current outbreak has a death rate of 56% so far. Still pretty bad but there is little chance of it spreading in any country that has what we consider to be normal hygiene practices, such as frequent hand washing and clean hospitals. You have to come into direct contact with the bodily fluids of an infected person and there is little chance of that happening if effective quarantine measures are in place.

    i underlined to two bits of questionable statements

    according to this article only 30% upto 50% of staff wash their hands regularily

    Do hosptial staff really wash their hands often


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭The One Who Knocks


    i underlined to two bits of questionable statements

    according to this article only 30% upto 50% of staff wash their hands regularily

    Do hosptial staff really wash their hands often

    That doesn't matter, once you don't touch someones blood, fecal matter, used syringe, wash their dead body or eat bush meat you'll be fine.

    A huge reason its spreading now is because people are uneducated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭PucaMama


    Tis racist to take precautions against diseases primarily spread by Africans, allegedly
    i wouldnt be racist about it we have to do something this could affect the whole world.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    I'm going to try and spot the carrier monkey on google maps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    MOD

    Ebola threads merged


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    This was all over Sky news today - spreadin de fear - ye could die of blood coming out your holes - or as some people call it, distracting the cat while you steal its milk - don't look over there, look over here,,keeps Gaza down the news rung.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭PucaMama


    This was all over Sky news today - spreadin de fear - ye could die of blood coming out your holes - or as some people call it, distracting the cat while you steal its milk - don't look over there, look over here,,keeps Gaza down the news rung.
    ebola is currently killing roughly 60 percent of its victims. if it spreads, it could kill 60 percent of the world. not good and a bigger danger to us than gaza.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    PucaMama wrote: »
    i wouldnt be racist about it we have to do something this could affect the whole world.

    Like what?
    Id support a full quarentine of the countries affected. No in or out. But western governments move to slow to push these things.

    Who'd enforce such quarantines? Western countries can't just tell others to close their borders.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭The One Who Knocks


    PucaMama wrote: »
    ebola is currently killing roughly 60 percent of its victims. if it spreads, it could kill 60 percent of the world. not good and a bigger danger to us than gaza.

    It really couldn't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    PucaMama wrote: »
    ebola is currently killing roughly 60 percent of its victims. if it spreads, it could kill 60 percent of the world. not good and a bigger danger to us than gaza.

    Ebola will never become a world wide epidemic unless it mutates.

    In its current form there is an incubation period of up to 21 days, during this time it cannot be passed on unless you do something like inject yourself with the infected blood.

    When the symptoms start they are minor so it doesn't have a chance to spread. Sore throat, fecer, that kinda stuff.

    At this stage people would probably go get checked especially if it lasts a day or two. When they do they'll get asked the usual questions when there is something like this. Have you been in x, y or z or know anyone that has. IF so they'll be sent for more tests and the whole area would be shut down pretty damn quick.

    However even if they don't get checked and go further downhill they are gonna be people that you want to stay away from regardless what with the blood and the vomit etc.

    Now at this stage the virus can be passed easier but it still needs contact and well who wants to touch that stuff in fairness. The coughing of a victim would be the main concern for infection though which although worrying isn't as bad as it could be.

    If there is an outbreak we would be much better prepared for it than they are in Africa. Better facilities, better access to clean supplies and equipment etc. Its gonna be much easier to contain than somewhere like a rural village who don't understand what exactly is going on (and in fairness who can blame them, if a load of hazmat suit wearing people came up to me i'd panic like hell and try and run)

    In its current form i have no reason to believe that a widespread spanish flu style infection will take place. However if it evolves to become active before full blown symptoms emerge or it becomes easier to transmit via another way then i'll start worrying but only then.

    Also the fact its only killing 60% of those infected is a great sign, usually the death rate for this is 90%+ so it shows that early treatment is working and while there is no cure its still good to see we can at least try and fight it already

    News sources these days love the scare stories, its easy to write and will keep people tuning in for more updates/advice/whatever.

    Also not so fun fact, if a guy survives the virus he can still transmit it sexually for up to 2 months after he is healthy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    PucaMama wrote: »
    ebola is currently killing roughly 60 percent of its victims. if it spreads, it could kill 60 percent of the world. not good and a bigger danger to us than gaza.

    B*ll*x. This time next year, ebola will be as much remembered as swine-flu. More people died of malaria today than ebola. Sky didn't have an hour long special on malaria. No doubt some pharma crew are busy knocking up an "ebola vaccine" to flog to everyone at inflated prices.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Birroc


    Maybe mother nature needs and wants a major epidemic in 2014.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    I Think the government should bring all the Ebola it can find to the large hadron collider thingy in switzerland where they make all the black holes and start firing it into said black holes.....maybe throw in a few pedophiles and scumbags too while we're at it.

    It's about time that stupid Project started paying off for the ordinary man in the street.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    crockholm wrote: »
    I Think the government should bring all the Ebola it can find to the large hadron collider thingy in switzerland where they make all the black holes and start firing it into said black holes.....maybe throw in a few pedophiles and scumbags too while we're at it.

    It's about time that stupid Project started paying off for the ordinary man in the street.

    Well, there's that whole world wide web thing, but it'll never catch on. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    crockholm wrote: »
    I Think the government should bring all the Ebola it can find to the large hadron collider thingy in switzerland where they make all the black holes and start firing it into said black holes.......

    It didn't do too much to this guy :

    http://www.eco-pravda.ru/page.php?al=bugorsky_casus


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    crockholm wrote: »
    I Think the government should bring all the Ebola it can find to the large hadron collider thingy in switzerland where they make all the black holes and start firing it into said black holes.....maybe throw in a few pedophiles and scumbags too while we're at it.

    It's about time that stupid Project started paying off for the ordinary man in the street.

    CERN gave us the internet, i'm sure lots of people back then thought the same.

    What you are seeing in the LHC is the building blocks of everything around you.

    The closer we look at smaller things the more we understand. Look at germs for instance. who would have thought when we first seen them under a microscope that they were such an important part of our life.

    Fundimental research into "stupid projects" have led to x-rays, mris, night vision goggles and CERN themselves due to the LHC have had massive boosting in the research of cryogenic research and grid computing to name but two.

    and for the record putting something like that into the LHC wouldn't work. The virus itself is to big


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    Around 2000 people a day die of malaria, why aren't Sky scare-mongering about that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Or MRI scanning.

    I like people's optimism about Ireland being better equipped. Ireland also has a faster flow of information. Misinformation is all the rage these days. A few false or poorly researched claims that spread like wild fire is all it would take. We're not as vulnerable to Africa in the classical sense but there are other factors that come into play.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,535 ✭✭✭Dave0301


    crockholm wrote: »
    I Think the government should bring all the Ebola it can find to the large hadron collider thingy in switzerland where they make all the black holes and start firing it into said black holes.....maybe throw in a few pedophiles and scumbags too while we're at it.

    It's about time that stupid Project started paying off for the ordinary man in the street.

    When Quantum Mechanics was first postulated and researched, it had no real world significance. It is now responsible for transistors and microchips, mobile phones and computers, lasers and M.R.I. scanners.

    I would wait a bit longer before labeling the discovery of the Higgs Boson a "stupid" project.

    On the topic of Ebola, it will never be a huge threat to 1st world countries unless it mutates and can be transmitted through the air like influenza. The transmission rate in Africa is more a result of poor hygienic standards at times in hospitals, local superstitions and funeral traditions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Around 2000 people a day die of malaria, why aren't Sky scare-mongering about that?

    Because here you can expect an almost complete recovery. Only in rare cases would a person die. More frequent would be long last impact to a person's way of life. Still rare though.

    Get Ebola here and it's quite likely you'll die an excruciating death or suffer high levels of post viral morbidity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Around 2000 people a day die of malaria, why aren't Sky scare-mongering about that?

    Scare-mongering or not, it's the biggest outbreak so far of one of the most deadly viruses known to man.

    It's not really something that should be dismissed by asking why something like malaria isn't getting the same media attention.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 348 ✭✭sleepytrees


    I've started building my bunker already. Aldi has cheap cans of Spaghetti and Soups.

    It'll be grand they say, sure the rich are properly already building bunkers in space and planning on leaving us here.

    *I watch a lot of Sci Fi


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Yeah, but do you have your iodine tablets?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 348 ✭✭sleepytrees


    snubbleste wrote: »
    Yeah, but do you have your iodine tablets?

    ****


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭The One Who Knocks


    A good article explaining what would happen if Ebola reached a developed country such as the US:
    So here's a detailed look at how Ebola in America might go down:

    1) The first 24 hours: identify the outbreak

    The most likely way for Ebola to arrive in the United States would be an infected person flying from West Africa who has Ebola but doesn't even know it. Ebola can hide in a person's body from two days to three weeks before symptoms emerge. And people don't transmit Ebola during that incubation time — they're only contagious once they show symptoms.

    Once an initial Ebola patient starts feeling sick, she'll probably seem at first like she has the flu or traveler's diarrhea. (Some of the more famous symptoms of Ebola, like bleeding from orifices, don't tend to come on until later. And bleeding doesn't even happen in about half of cases.)

    Although the patient would now be contagious, that doesn't mean that it's exceptionally easy to catch. It's not. Ebola doesn't spread through the air. And it's harder to catch than things like the flu. You can't get it from a cough, sneeze, or just being on the same plane or in the same public space. The only way to get Ebola is to touch a patient's bodily fluids, like vomit, diarrhea, or blood.

    Now would be when speed and public awareness plays a big role, no matter where in the world an Ebola patient is. The patient or someone around her will have to figure out: (1) This is something that looks like the flu or diarrhea and (2) This person was just in a country that has Ebola.

    If people realize that this might be Ebola early on, they should be able to avoid getting infected by keeping away from the patient's bodily fluids. But if that doesn't cross their minds for a while, people will be more likely to get the virus by accident. In that first day of symptoms, every hour counts.

    2) The next step: isolate the patient

    In US hospitals, any suspected case of Ebola would be treated as a potential risk until tests come back negative. This means that standard procedures to protect other patients and health-care workers from the patient's bodily fluids would be put into place.

    Because Ebola doesn't spread through the air, hospital workers wouldn't have to wear respirators or what you might think of as full Outbreak gear. However, they would protect their body and face from fluids that might splash on them, using things like gowns or full body suits, masks, gloves, and goggles.

    Anything that touches the patient would be sterilized or disposed of in a safe manner. And if the patient dies, the body would be carefully handled so that it won't be a danger to anyone, either.

    Better adherence to these safety guidelines is one reason why the virus wouldn't spread as quickly in the United States as it has in West Africa. For example, over there, some health-care workers have gotten infected, most likely because the rules weren't followed as closely. And there's actually a reason for that — people who are supposed to wear protective suits in 100°F weather will get extremely hot and might cut corners, says Michael Osterholm, of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota. But US hospitals are more climate controlled, he says, and even that small difference makes a breach less likely.

    3) Track down other potential patients

    Detective work is a major part of controlling a disease like Ebola. Experts would interview the patient, her relatives, and other potential close contacts to monitor them and make sure that they don't spread the disease to others.

    Officials will then suggest various options for these people, depending on the level of risk, including watching and waiting, isolation at home, and testing for infection.

    Tracking down contacts has been especially problematic in West Africa in ways that unlikely to happen in the US. An editorial in the major medical journal The Lancet says "The geographical spread of cases and movement of people in and between the three countries presents a huge challenge in tracing those who might be infected." And the World Health Organization says that "low coverage of contact tracing" is one key problem it uncovered in a recent assessment the Ebola response in Liberia.

    4) Keep patients in hospital until they're not a threat

    It's important to remember that about 40 percent of the patients in this Ebola outbreak have survived. There's no specific pill or shot that will make an Ebola infection go away, but doctors can try to make the patient comfortable, give IV fluids, and treat symptoms.

    To prevent Ebola from spreading, health authorities wouldn't release a patient from the hospital until it's clear that she won't be a danger to others.

    This might seem intuitive, but it hasn't always happened in West Africa. For example, the BBC reports that there are several missing patients in Sierra Leone — where some people don't trust that medical care will help them. That, obviously, increases the odds that the outbreak will spread.

    The best case scenario and the worst case scenario

    To sum up, the best case scenario is that someone coming back from, say, Guinea, realizes that she might possibly have Ebola as soon as she starts feeling sick. Everyone makes sure not to touch her vomit or diarrhea or other fluids. And the outbreak ends with just one patient.

    The worst case scenario is that this person is ill for days and in contact with a whole lot of people before anyone realizes that something unusual is going on and brings her to a hospital. But it's still unlikely that Ebola will get farther than a local problem in one city or town. Even in the worst case scenario, "I don't think we’ll have a serious public health threat in any of the developed countries," Osterholm says.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,336 ✭✭✭wendell borton


    Its geting serious now all right, a man died in Lagos of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    danniemcq wrote: »
    CERN gave us the internet, i'm sure lots of people back then thought the same.

    What you are seeing in the LHC is the building blocks of everything around you.

    The closer we look at smaller things the more we understand. Look at germs for instance. who would have thought when we first seen them under a microscope that they were such an important part of our life.

    Fundimental research into "stupid projects" have led to x-rays, mris, night vision goggles and CERN themselves due to the LHC have had massive boosting in the research of cryogenic research and grid computing to name but two.

    and for the record putting something like that into the LHC wouldn't work. The virus itself is to big

    Honestly Dannie,my post did not deserve such a lucid response, I thought that the idea of rounding up viruses,pedophiles and scumbags and trying to force them into a black hole would be even too farcical even for an AH serious answer.

    Boy howdy,was I wrong.

    My deepest apologies to the LHC after hours fan club.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    crockholm wrote: »
    Honestly Dannie,my post did not deserve such a lucid response, I thought that the idea of rounding up viruses,pedophiles and scumbags and trying to force them into a black hole would be even too farcical even for an AH serious answer.

    Boy howdy,was I wrong.

    My deepest apologies to the LHC after hours fan club.

    ah here don't put yourself down like that, you only deserve the best. We value all our users here on boards and there is no need for apologies, we're all friends here.

    Have a great day now ya hear?!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    danniemcq wrote: »
    ah here don't put yourself down like that, you only deserve the best. We value all our users here on boards and there is no need for apologies, we're all friends here.

    Have a great day now ya hear?!

    I hear?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    Just looking at the state the world is in now you would feel its maybe time for a virus to decimate mankind, we have been doing it to ourselves for long enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    The world is better than it's ever been since humanity appeared.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    Turtwig wrote: »
    The world is better than it's ever been since humanity appeared.

    You must not be watching the news are you?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29 RenegadeDisco


    FFS why don't the EU put a travel ban to West Africa??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    You must not be watching the news have you?

    I have been and I stand by what I said. Humanity is largely the best it's ever been since its dawn.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    FFS why don't the EU put a travel ban to West Africa??

    It's not necessary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭PucaMama


    FFS why don't the EU put a travel ban to West Africa??
    havnt you heard? sure ebola isnt that bad at all sure those people are only pretending to die


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,206 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    An outbreak is the theme of many a hollywood movie .... Sure, even Outbreak :P :pac:

    But it's scary to think if it really happened.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    FFS why don't the EU put a travel ban to West Africa??

    Kinda pointless really. Anyone that can afford a flight to Europe can a afford to be rerouted if necessary


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,810 ✭✭✭Calibos


    PucaMama wrote: »
    havnt you heard? sure ebola isnt that bad at all sure those people are only pretending to die

    No one is saying it isn't bad if you catch it, they're trying to explain to those of a paranoid "The sky is falling" disposition, that there are very specific reasons why theres only been 2000 deaths from it in the last half century since its discovery and why it will never be a global problem unless it mutated and became transmissable from a sneeze, became less deadly and became transmissible while asymptomatic. As someone mentioned earlier. Rabies is 100% fatal if not treated. Why then have you not confined yourself to holidaying only in Ireland, the UK, Iceland, Greenland, Australia and Antartica?? Everywhere else on the planet has Rabies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,810 ✭✭✭Calibos


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    You must not be watching the news are you?

    Read This Thread


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭The One Who Knocks


    PucaMama wrote: »
    havnt you heard? sure ebola isnt that bad at all sure those people are only pretending to die

    Oh FFS..

    People are dying in West Africa because they are uneducated about ebola. Because they are coming into direct contact with the blood/vomit/faeces of an infected person. You can't get it by being in the same room as someone who's infected, and it's near impossible to get it from them coughing/sneezing as it's not airborne.

    You need to understand how little the locals know about ebola. If every single person in West Africa was told "Do not touch sick people who show symptoms of Ebola including for example fever, diarrhoea, vomiting, headaches and sometimes heavy bleeding" and "Do not touch the dead bodies of suspected or confirmed Ebola patients." it would be gone in a matter of weeks!

    For example, here's some questions posed to health workers through an ebola helpline: "Will eating raw onions once a day for three days protect me from Ebola? Is it safe to eat mangoes? Is it true that a daily intake of condensed milk can prevent infection with Ebola?" Some people even believe that it's the people in hazmat suits that have brought ebola to their villages. They are mostly clueless. Believe it or not, it's difficult to contract ebola.

    It's also traditional to wash the bodies of the deceased, and this is continues to happen despite the implications.

    So yes, while it's a concern if you live in West Africa and don't know how ebola is spread, to developed countries it's not currently, and probably never will be of great concern. It needs to evolve first.

    It's really annoying to see how much of a feeding frenzy the media are having with this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    A pharmaceutical company no doubt have a cure but are just waiting for it to reach the west before releasing it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    woodoo wrote: »
    A pharmaceutical company no doubt have a cure but are just waiting for it to reach the west before releasing it.

    Sure homeopathy cures everything!

    No known modern medicine cure or anti viral treatment for Ebola specifically. It's a messy aul virus.


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