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People stealing dogs

  • 25-07-2009 11:39am
    #1
    moe_sizlak
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 883 ✭✭✭


    dog owners should beware of tinkers going around stealing dogs , its becoming quite common lately , apart from using them to fight , they then look for owners who advertise rewards for lost dogs

    was on the radio during the week on several stations


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  • #2
    WIZE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭WIZE


    where are the common places this is happening


  • #3
    star-pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,429 ✭✭✭✭star-pants


    That's very generalised type of statement.
    Lots of people steal dogs, especially ones that look like pedigree ones. That's another reason never to leave your dog tied up outside a shop, apart from it being mean if you're longer than 5mins.
    People have had dogs stolen out of their gardens too, purely for resale etc. Everyone should be vigilant about the safety of their animals.


  • #4
    cowzerp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    Anywhere, they just pick up any dogs that they can, just beware-they broke in to my mates house a few weeks ago and robbed the house-lucky the dog ran off, i know it was travellers cause they got the reg off the van and it was registered to them and still nothing happened.

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • #5
    Mayoegian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 777 ✭✭✭Mayoegian


    moe_sizlak wrote: »
    dog owners should beware of tinkers going around stealing dogs , its becoming quite common lately , apart from using them to fight , they then look for owners who advertise rewards for lost dogs

    was on the radio during the week on several stations


    Have a bit more respect please than calling people, yes people just like you and I, 'tinkers'. Call them the Travelling Community. Also, It's not just the travelling Community that goes around stealing dogs you know.


  • #6
    cowzerp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    Mayoegian wrote: »
    Have a bit more respect please than calling people, yes people just like you and I, 'tinkers'. Call them the Travelling Community. Also, It's not just the travelling Community that goes around stealing dogs you know.

    Im quite sure that a way higher % of Travellers steal dogs than settled people, i grew up with travellers and some would be friends but i would not trust them as far as i'd throw them-PC brigade on the way!

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



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  • #7
    star-pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,429 ✭✭✭✭star-pants


    I'll just step in to say this once, 'people' stealing dogs is under discussion. Any further deviation and this will be locked.


  • #8
    TechnoPool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,675 ✭✭✭TechnoPool


    cowzerp wrote: »
    Im quite sure that a way higher % of Travellers steal dogs than settled people, i grew up with travellers and some would be friends but i would not trust them as far as i'd throw them-PC brigade on the way!


    id reckon you would throw them a decent enough distance doh :D


  • #9
    cowzerp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    TechnoPool wrote: »
    id reckon you would throw them a decent enough distance doh :D

    Thanks i like to be told I'm strong but that's a bit of an exaggeration-i would not be able to throw any people far.

    I got "PEOPLE" to do my drive way last year and even though 1 of them did not like dogs he was still very interested in my rotty, asking lots of questions to find out if he was viscious and where he slept etc..

    but maybe he was just been a nice person.

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • #10
    Spitfire666
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,323 ✭✭✭Spitfire666


    a samoyed husky was stolen by "people" in raheny in the last fortnight from somebody i know.
    lifted out of the garden and put into the boot of the car.
    hopefully as shes spayed it will be let go unharmed.


  • #11
    TechnoPool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,675 ✭✭✭TechnoPool


    cowzerp wrote: »
    Thanks i like to be told I'm strong but that's a bit of an exaggeration-i would not be able to throw any people far.

    I got "PEOPLE" to do my drive way last year and even though 1 of them did not like dogs he was still very interested in my rotty, asking lots of questions to find out if he was viscious and where he slept etc..

    but maybe he was just been a nice person.


    ah sure im only buzzin man :)


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  • #12
    moe_sizlak
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 883 ✭✭✭moe_sizlak


    cowzerp wrote: »
    Im quite sure that a way higher % of Travellers steal dogs than settled people, i grew up with travellers and some would be friends but i would not trust them as far as i'd throw them-PC brigade on the way!

    nice to get a big of support from someone with common sense , the pc brigage will overlook anything tinkers do as thier are sacred cow of the left , its common knowledge that tinkers steal dogs , they also poison dogs , i had the awful experience of finding my dog poisioned after i refused to buy some stolen merchandise of tinkers a few years ago

    as i said , it was on liveline and other radio shows in the week gone by


  • #13
    moe_sizlak
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 883 ✭✭✭moe_sizlak


    Mayoegian wrote: »
    Have a bit more respect please than calling people, yes people just like you and I, 'tinkers'. Call them the Travelling Community. Also, It's not just the travelling Community that goes around stealing dogs you know.

    perhaps but the storys on the radio involved dogs being stole by tinkers , if i had not mentioned that it was tinkers who were doing the stealing on this occasion , thier wouldnt be a pip out of you


  • #14
    the crank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8 ✭the crank


    Mayoegian wrote: »
    Have a bit more respect please than calling people, yes people just like you and I, 'tinkers'. Call them the Travelling Community. Also, It's not just the travelling Community that goes around stealing dogs you know.

    those KNACKERS stole my dog of 10 years. they camped up the road from us and as soon as they moved on he was gone. prob used to blood fighting dogs. do you know what they do to the small dogs first? they break all there teeth so they cant fight back. my poor bloody dog oz.
    ye in the PC brigade would want to bloody wake up and get real.


  • #15
    star-pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,429 ✭✭✭✭star-pants


    I have already made a warning in this thread - I don't care who calls who what - this is about dogs being stolen, by whomever.


  • #16
    comongethappy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    It's not just those people who were referenced in previous posts stealing dogs. My friend had her purebred giant breed stolen in Wicklow on Christmas Day last year :mad:. Fortunately she was only a pup, and not fully trained, and was always quite loud if she was indoors anywhere. They dumped her and some of the other stolen dogs that were howling in a quite housing estate. A person living in the area noticed the noise, saw them being dumped, rang the guards and took them in until the guards could come and get further info. My friend was lucky and was reunited with her dog 2 days later, however one of her neighbours lost their 2 year old white german shepeard.

    The guards said that this particular case was related to a gang of foreigners who would steal dogs and sell them in markets in a different county (eg steal the dogs in Wicklow, sell them in Kildare). They said from what they could tell, the gang would survey a particular area for which homes had purebred dogs, and try to target when they noticed most people would be away. My friend was over at her in laws at the time, her dog was as secure as she could be in the back garden. It's very difficult to access her back garden, so they knew what she had and they would have had a few people to get her dog out from there.

    Unfortuantely, it's not one lot of people who steal animals :( . It's also good to note that you should always microchip your pets, as if they are stolen you'll have a better chance of being reunited with them.


  • #17
    Vel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Vel


    There is a major problem with this all over the country but also the Dodder Valley Park in Firhouse, Dublin 24 has been named as a hotspot for it. Apparently its a case of people watching and waiting in the bushes where they can't be seen and grabbing off lead dogs.

    http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/honey-dognapped-from-citys-canine-bermuda-triangle-1816076.html

    This dog has since been reunited with her family :D

    I don't know how anyone could take the risk of leaving their dog in their garden unattended while they are out. Its asking for trouble. And yes, I do know that dogs have been taken from inside houses but you are handing your dog on a plate to someone if you leave it in your garden


  • #18
    Vel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Vel


    Also the Guards know who are doing the Dodder Valley ones but can't prove it.

    As this is such an important topic, just so it doesn't get locked and can be commented on and advice given in, can we all please refrain from pointing out who the culprits are likely to be in these situations so we can keep the thread open.


  • #19
    moe_sizlak
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 883 ✭✭✭moe_sizlak


    Vel wrote: »
    Also the Guards know who are doing the Dodder Valley ones but can't prove it.

    As this is such an important topic, just so it doesn't get locked and can be commented on and advice given in, can we all please refrain from pointing out who the culprits are likely to be in these situations so we can keep the thread open.

    providing no one is individualy named , i cant see any problem , lets not confuse whats offically slander with what are official sacred cow minority groups


  • #20
    Morganna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭Morganna


    I have seen travellers regularly at horse marts selling dogs every month of different breeds.Also some travellers followed me one day and i know where intending to steal my japanese spitz bitch.as i got out the car they where watching me but drove off when i carried her in the shop with me.They followed me for a half hour that day i got their reg .everytime i stopped they did,lets be honest their are all sorts stealing dogs but travellers are the main offenders


  • #21
    Green Hornet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭Green Hornet


    How do our "friends" manage to steal the dogs?

    We have a boxer bitch and she HATES our "friends". There's no way that they could walk up and grab her. They must have done something to her on one of their "visits" when nobody was around when she was a pup.


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  • #22
    ahaaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭ahaaha


    i am absolutely petrified of our fella being stolen - i literally am leaving him in the house instead of the garden when we are gone out, which i feel awful for doing. he has irritable colon and has to eat a certain food type, if 'they' stole him he'd have an unreal dose of the s##ts and they'd prob leave him in a ditch somewhere!

    Obviously though, they are being stolen because there is a market for them - supply meets demand etc... just ensure your doggies are microchipped folks


  • #23
    cowzerp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    Better still, dont buy your next dog off a traveller or off any suspected dodgy seller and tell people the same and then your not supporting the thieving..

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • #24
    Morganna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭Morganna


    even better dont buy unregistered dogs .If a dog is registered with pedigree cert and microchip you know the dog isnt stolen.because so many people sell unregistered dogs it makes it easier for thieves to sell dogs on


  • #25
    Vel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Vel


    moe_sizlak wrote: »
    providing no one is individualy named , i cant see any problem , lets not confuse whats offically slander with what are official sacred cow minority groups

    Fair enough I agree but the mod has spoken and it would be good to keep this thread open


  • #26
    ahaaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭ahaaha


    Morganna wrote: »
    even better dont buy unregistered dogs .If a dog is registered with pedigree cert and microchip you know the dog isnt stolen.because so many people sell unregistered dogs it makes it easier for thieves to sell dogs on


    Certs can be faked though


  • #27
    Sigma Force
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Sigma Force


    Also if you see dogs or cats etc. being sold at public markets report them and make a bit of a scene not allowed to sell dogs at public markets now as far as I know.

    It makes me so angry that joe soap can't go walk Rover without the fear of the dog being stolen, it seems to be getting worse.


  • #28
    Morganna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭Morganna


    ahaaha wrote: »
    Certs can be faked though
    not if u know what the cert looks like


  • #29
    engrish?
    Registered Users Posts: 911 ✭✭✭engrish?


    Vel wrote: »

    I don't know how anyone could take the risk of leaving their dog in their garden unattended while they are out. Its asking for trouble.


    What? Are you serious?


  • #30
    star-pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,429 ✭✭✭✭star-pants


    engrish? wrote: »
    What? Are you serious?

    Dogs have been stolen from peoples back gardens yes. Secure ones at that.
    It's horrible to think that you can't leave your dog out without a small bit of fear for them.


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  • #31
    engrish?
    Registered Users Posts: 911 ✭✭✭engrish?


    star-pants wrote: »
    Dogs have been stolen from peoples back gardens yes. Secure ones at that.
    It's horrible to think that you can't leave your dog out without a small bit of fear for them.


    True. Horrible to think of a dog being indoors most of the time too though. Mine would go crazy if I kept them inside. Who would chase away the birds, cats, shadows etc?


    On the other hand, my neighbours puppy..... If someone was to break into their garden, steal the metal bowl it moves around the concrete 24/7, and replace it with a plastic one which was superglued to one place on the ground, I wouldnt mind.


  • #32
    Xiney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,085 ✭✭✭Xiney


    Crate train your dogs.

    Dogs like having a "den" and they go into a kind of a low maintenance trance while they're in there. They require less water and they don't need to wee so much.

    This way you can keep your dog indoors without fear of him being stolen out of your garden. As an added bonus, he's likely to be quieter as he'll be conked out rather than possibly annoyed by neighborhood cats, other barking dogs nearby etc.


    I've only just started crate training our labrador, Jake, but my parent's lab Gimli absolutely loves his crate.

    If you want more info on how to crate train, just pm me. I'm no expert or anything but if I can help I will. No dog should be left unattended in this country.


  • #33
    JoJo1404
    Registered Users Posts: 19 ✭JoJo1404


    Well as previously mentioned about dog theft, our dog was stolen on the 14 July last.

    The reason why it is being discussed on the radios as of late is because I have sent so many emails and made so many phone calls to make people more aware and to get my own dog back.

    Our dogs were left out on a tuesay afternoon and within the space of 10 mins our female was taken. She is spayed and micro chipped and absoutley worth nothing who wants to breed or sell on. She has a problem with her hips and I have no doubt the people who took her arent giving her tablets for this.

    It is not only for ransom or breeding these dogs are being taken. There is another scam going on but people are unsure of what it is. Older dogs are being taken, that have no value for breeding or the owners never contacted again.... this issue needs to be highlighted too...

    We did get a hoax call yesterday...and believe it or not there are some seriously sick people out there who actually get a laugh out of tormenting people.

    I have posted a lost add on every animal site including lost and foud thread here.

    Please keep an eye out for her as we are heartbroken.

    Thanks


  • #34
    WIZE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭WIZE


    JoJo1404 wrote: »
    Well as previously mentioned about dog theft, our dog was stolen on the 14 July last.

    The reason why it is being discussed on the radios as of late is because I have sent so many emails and made so many phone calls to make people more aware and to get my own dog back.

    Our dogs were left out on a tuesay afternoon and within the space of 10 mins our female was taken. She is spayed and micro chipped and absoutley worth nothing who wants to breed or sell on. She has a problem with her hips and I have no doubt the people who took her arent giving her tablets for this.

    It is not only for ransom or breeding these dogs are being taken. There is another scam going on but people are unsure of what it is. Older dogs are being taken, that have no value for breeding or the owners never contacted again.... this issue needs to be highlighted too...

    We did get a hoax call yesterday...and believe it or not there are some seriously sick people out there who actually get a laugh out of tormenting people.

    I have posted a lost add on every animal site including lost and foud thread here.

    Please keep an eye out for her as we are heartbroken.

    Thanks


    what type of dog is it


  • #35
    JoJo1404
    Registered Users Posts: 19 ✭JoJo1404


    Its a Samoyed, White Huskie

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=61201316&postcount=179


  • #36
    engrish?
    Registered Users Posts: 911 ✭✭✭engrish?


    JoJo1404 wrote: »
    Its a Samoyed, White Huskie

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=61201316&postcount=179



    Thats absolutely terrible, I'm so sorry to hear that. Can I ask, how secure is your garden?

    I have two (three at the moment) dogs and it would kill me if they were taken.


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  • #37
    JoJo1404
    Registered Users Posts: 19 ✭JoJo1404


    Our garden is very secure.

    They managed to open the gates and take the female. My mum came home to find the gate open and the male dog distressed.

    We've had a few sightings but still no dog. It will be two weeks on Tuesday.

    It is awful and only poeple who have dogs can understand the situation. We are ging mad trying to find her and have so many other people out looking for her too.

    Just be so careful where you leave your dogs, its really got to the stage where you cant even leave your dogs in your own garden. I would hate for this to happen to anyone else even though it will but its so important to make people more aware.


  • #38
    leelee_m
    Closed Accounts Posts: 91 ✭✭leelee_m


    people with toy dogs, especially chihuahuas need to be particularly vigilant as there's a serious amount of chihuahuas being stolen! Its just sickening that someone can come onto your property and just take your dog!! :mad:


  • #39
    Vel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Vel


    engrish? wrote: »
    What? Are you serious?
    Totally serious. Dogs are safer being kept inside when you aren't there. I think people think just because a dog is outside when an owner isn't there that they will spend the day charging around your garden amusing themselves but believe me thats not the case. Holwing, barking dogs in neighbourhood gardens throughout the country is testament to this. A dog will only amuse itself outside for so long and then will soon be as bored outside on its own as it will be inside, so I wouldn't worry too much about having to keep it inside. If he/she gets enough exercise before they are left and is reasonably well trained/behaved you should come to a house thats in one piece :D and you have piece of mind in terms of someone robbing them. You can also leave them with kongs and other toys to keep themselves amused.

    I know of two different people who have had dogs stolen from back gardens of terraced houses, meaning the dogs were actually lifted over fences and through other people's gardens to get them out :eek: These dog thieves are full time operators and have the time and patience to get your dog if they want it. I'd rather be safe than sorry personally and I'd much rather have my dogs inside the house when I'm not there and lessen their chances of being taken.


  • #40
    jen_23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭jen_23


    Thought this might be appropriate to post here,

    Saw a flyer in my vets yesterday. Pedigree puppies, dogs, bitches being stolen in the glanmire and whitecross area.
    Apparently it's a white van.

    just to be aware!


  • #41
    The Black Oil
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    Our dog was stolen by "Travellers" in 2005. We had to pay to get him back. :mad:

    Moderator: Television, Psychology and Dublin County North.

    CMod: Entertainment



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  • #42
    lubie76
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭lubie76


    We had a fake Dog Warden in Sligo for a couple of months earlier this year. He had the van painted and everything.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055508047&highlight=warden


  • #43
    engrish?
    Registered Users Posts: 911 ✭✭✭engrish?


    I read the comment on Friday about the smaller dogs having their teeth removed so that they can't fight back and the thought has not left me since. :mad:


  • #44
    kassie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 364 ✭✭kassie


    Morganna wrote: »
    even better dont buy unregistered dogs .If a dog is registered with pedigree cert and microchip you know the dog isnt stolen.because so many people sell unregistered dogs it makes it easier for thieves to sell dogs on

    Not every dog can be registered... only pedigree dogs! And there are so many puppy farmers out there selling cross breeds as pedigrees and promise to send on certs in the post and thats the last its ever heard of. See these feckers know that ppl who are looking for a dog will fall head over heals in love at the first sight of a puppy or dog and they are using emotional tactics to sell these dogs. Pedigree dogs should not be taken home without their certs and papers being handed over on the same day... its a scam otherwise!!!

    Its terrible that all these dogs are being stolen and no body other than the owners/family/friends give a crap... i'm sure the guards have a great chuckle at ppl reporting stolen or lost dogs!

    Jojo - have you posted your lost/stolen dog on www.irishdogs.ie/forum ??? and there is an irish website dedicated to lost dogs... not sure what the address is, they are on facebook too ... hope your doggie is found!!!


  • #45
    mactayto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15 ✭mactayto


    JoJo1404 wrote: »
    Well as previously mentioned about dog theft, our dog was stolen on the 14 July last.

    The reason why it is being discussed on the radios as of late is because I have sent so many emails and made so many phone calls to make people more aware and to get my own dog back.

    Our dogs were left out on a tuesay afternoon and within the space of 10 mins our female was taken. She is spayed and micro chipped and absoutley worth nothing who wants to breed or sell on. She has a problem with her hips and I have no doubt the people who took her arent giving her tablets for this.

    It is not only for ransom or breeding these dogs are being taken. There is another scam going on but people are unsure of what it is. Older dogs are being taken, that have no value for breeding or the owners never contacted again.... this issue needs to be highlighted too...

    We did get a hoax call yesterday...and believe it or not there are some seriously sick people out there who actually get a laugh out of tormenting people.

    I have posted a lost add on every animal site including lost and foud thread here.

    Please keep an eye out for her as we are heartbroken.

    Thanks
    Any harm asking you where you are? I'm a dog owner and also a member of the force who knows whos involved in this type of 'business' in my area. I have recovered some dogs from them in the past. I presume you have reported it though?


  • #46
    doubleglaze
    Registered Users Posts: 405 ✭✭doubleglaze


    Xiney wrote: »
    Crate train your dogs.

    Dogs like having a "den" and they go into a kind of a low maintenance trance while they're in there. They require less water and they don't need to wee so much.

    This way you can keep your dog indoors without fear of him being stolen out of your garden. As an added bonus, he's likely to be quieter as he'll be conked out rather than possibly annoyed by neighborhood cats, other barking dogs nearby etc.


    I've only just started crate training our labrador, Jake, but my parent's lab Gimli absolutely loves his crate.

    If you want more info on how to crate train, just pm me. I'm no expert or anything but if I can help I will. No dog should be left unattended in this country.

    Crate-training is a trend and, while it has its merits, shouldn't be taken to extremes.


  • #47
    Run_to_da_hills
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    I saw about fifty dogs and pups running around a halting site near Smithstown a few years ago.


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