Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 14-04-2012 7:24am

Dempsey wrote: »

Jelle1880 wrote: »

You claimed Lennon was turned down by Rangers because he is a Catholic, you have zero proof apparently so I wouldn't exactly class that as 'fact'.

But hey, anything's good to have a pop at Rangers I guess.

So forgive me if I think you're talking crap until I see otherwise.

neil lennon stated this in his autobiography and he stated it again on a chatshow on national tv in ireland last year. you seem to be the only person that doesnt know! im getting a kick out of you continually fishing for a link to believe this is true!

He also said on that chat show that when Celtic won the league he would tell us what Ally said to him we are still waiting In that dark period of time many RC's were turned away I have yet to hear of any of them getting a letter claiming religion as the reason. The same way I am waiting on another party to tell me about myself on here

lubo_moravcik · 14-04-2012 12:03pm

Jelle1880 wrote: »

And in that case they will cripple us more than when the first penalties for cases like this were in place.

It's not a positive thing at all.

Just go to Division 3 then.

Dempsey · 14-04-2012 12:09pm

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Dempsey wrote: »

Jelle1880 wrote: »

You claimed Lennon was turned down by Rangers because he is a Catholic, you have zero proof apparently so I wouldn't exactly class that as 'fact'.

But hey, anything's good to have a pop at Rangers I guess.

So forgive me if I think you're talking crap until I see otherwise.

neil lennon stated this in his autobiography and he stated it again on a chatshow on national tv in ireland last year. you seem to be the only person that doesnt know! im getting a kick out of you continually fishing for a link to believe this is true!

He also said on that chat show that when Celtic won the league he would tell us what Ally said to him we are still waiting In that dark period of time many RC's were turned away I have yet to hear of any of them getting a letter claiming religion as the reason. The same way I am waiting on another party to tell me about myself on here

what a bullsh*t response tbh.

shankespony · 14-04-2012 2:05pm

i think lennon will keep what mccoist said for his autobiography when he needs a few quid. when rangers had a sectarian policy jock stein was asked if hed sign a catholic or protestant and he said a protestant because he knew rangers wouldn't sign catholics.

Things have moved on and rangers do not bother about catholics playing for them such as amoruso, novo etc. Unfortunately all this has a wider context and im reading books called celtic minded and celtic minded2 about the irish moving to scotland and the reason why so many 3rd and 4th generation immigrants feel more irish than scottish. Why aidan mcgeady chose to play for Ireland and how he was abused by the press and at every ground he played at after his decision. Scotland "best we bigoted country in the world"

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 14-04-2012 2:18pm

Dempsey wrote: »

what a bullsh*t response tbh.

Really I couldn't give a **** tbh, Does the truth hurt

Dempsey · 14-04-2012 2:21pm

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Really I couldn't give a **** tbh, Does the truth hurt

Ignorance is bliss, eh?

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 14-04-2012 2:23pm

shankespony wrote: »

i think lennon will keep what mccoist said for his autobiography when he needs a few quid. when rangers had a sectarian policy jock stein was asked if hed sign a catholic or protestant and he said a protestant because he knew rangers wouldn't sign catholics.

Things have moved on and rangers do not bother about catholics playing for them such as amoruso, novo etc. Unfortunately all this has a wider context and im reading books called celtic minded and celtic minded2 about the irish moving to scotland and the reason why so many 3rd and 4th generation immigrants feel more irish than scottish. Why aidan mcgeady chose to play for Ireland and how he was abused by the press and at every ground he played at after his decision. Scotland "best we bigoted country in the world"

LOL I love it when people come away with this crap I grew up in Scotland without any problems.
What happens when I came back home I was met with all sorts of bigotry and lets be honest look round you racism is rife in this country. Yes Scotland has had problems so has our own country we shouldn't be to quick to throw accusations about

Oh and I still await a response from a certain party

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 14-04-2012 2:23pm

Dempsey wrote: »

Ignorance is bliss, eh?

Well you tel me

Dempsey · 14-04-2012 2:28pm

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Well you tel me

You're the one sticking your head in the sand over Rangers sectarian signing policy. Go read Lennon's book

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 14-04-2012 2:30pm

Dempsey wrote: »

You're the one sticking your head in the sand over Rangers sectarian signing policy. Go read Lennon's book

Sticking my head in the sad over it you should read my posts never mind me read a book
I am sure Mr Lennon will enlighten us all though at the same time as he tells us what Ally said

shankespony · 14-04-2012 2:34pm

Hi Broxi,

I can talk from experience being from lanarkshire, i ran a football team full of celtic, rangers, hamilton and motherwell fans. i didn't care what background anyone was and one of my best friends was the grand secretary of the orange orders son and if i couldn't be there he organised the team. i was a celtic fan and respected him being a rangers man but there were a few of his friends who would look down on me being a catholic of irish parents.

I know there are problems here also as being from scotland you are "not one of us" when it comes to the job thing. My tuppence worth anyway

Dempsey · 14-04-2012 2:35pm

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Sticking my head in the sad over it you should read my posts never mind me read a book
I am sure Mr Lennon will enlighten us all though at the same time as he tells us what Ally said

Sign up to Twatter there and ask the man himself and see what his response is.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 14-04-2012 2:40pm

shankespony wrote: »

Hi Broxi,

I can talk from experience being from lanarkshire, i ran a football team full of celtic, rangers, hamilton and motherwell fans. i didn't care what background anyone was and one of my best friends was the grand secretary of the orange orders son and if i couldn't be there he organised the team. i was a celtic fan and respected him being a rangers man but there were a few of his friends who would look down on me being a catholic of irish parents.

I know there are problems here also as being from scotland you are "not one of us" when it comes to the job thing. My tuppence worth anyway

I said there was problems mate I never had any myself as I said my problems started when I came home
My point is maybe people in glass houses and all that.When I have had to get physically involved when a man in his forties grabs my 12 year old at the time and calls him an Orange Bastard because he was cheering on Rangers in my local then there are problems here

Jelle1880 · 14-04-2012 2:40pm

Dempsey wrote: »

neil lennon stated this in his autobiography and he stated it again on a chatshow on national tv in ireland last year. you seem to be the only person that doesnt know! im getting a kick out of you continually fishing for a link to believe this is true!

Yes, I don't believe a word he said about that, until he comes out with proof.

I'm not 'fishing' for anything.

You're the one who said that Lennon was refused because he was a catholic, you have absolutely no way to back up your point apart from Lennon himself.
Where is the letter ? Can he even produce it ?

If you're able to show that letter on here I'll hold my hands up and admit I was wrong.
Until that I think you and/or Lennon are at it.

Dempsey · 14-04-2012 2:45pm

Jelle1880 wrote: »

You're a ****ing joke.

Yes, I don't believe a word he said about that, until he comes out with proof.

Dont believe it, I couldnt give a **** what you choose to believe or not. But its funny reading your blinkered reaction and it doesnt change what actually happened. Seems that you dont have a clue about Rangers history, time to go read a book or five

Dempsey · 14-04-2012 2:48pm

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Yes, I don't believe a word he said about that, until he comes out with proof.

I'm not 'fishing' for anything.

You're the one who said that Lennon was refused because he was a catholic, you have absolutely no way to back up your point apart from Lennon himself.
Where is the letter ? Can he even produce it ?

If you're able to show that letter on here I'll hold my hands up and admit I was wrong.
Until that I think you and/or Lennon are at it.

The edit ninja strikes again, maybe you should count to 5 before you click post reply, give your fingers a chance to catch up with your brain.

I suppose the conversation that Lennon's father had with Jock Wallace was made up too?

Go back to sticking your head in the sand, you havent a clue.

shankespony · 14-04-2012 2:48pm

Yes that is a problem, i know very many decent rangers fans but i think the up to your knees brigade need to grow up. I have also been in the jock stein stand and listened to some mindless idiots slagging off mccoist when he played for kilmarnock and saying unforgivable things about his sick child. I should have said something then but didn't, i would now because its unacceptable. Its just a shame that the minority get the publicity. Theres a good few clips on youtube one is football faith and flutes and the other is scotlands secret shame. Makes interesting viewing. Would like to be in Donegal myself today sipping a pint in the smugglers!!!

Jelle1880 · 14-04-2012 2:54pm

For someone who seems to belittle me at every possibility about 'not understanding English' you sure seem to have that problem yourself.

What's 'blinkered' about not believing Lennon's word for it ?

'It doesn't change what happened' ?
You don't even have proof of what happened, yet it's still 'fact', laughable.

The only letter I found was the one stating interest in him, that's all:

http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/Neil+Lennon+-+Interest+From+Rangers

Not surprisingly there too it's only speculation as to why they didn't follow up their interest.

shankespony · 14-04-2012 2:54pm

One of my favourite memories from parkhead was the time that jock wallace was being badly treated by rangers, i cant remember what it was over. Anyway celtic were playing aberdeen in the late 80's and the celtic fans sang "theres only one jock wallace" and he waved to them. It was an appreciation of the fact that he was a good rangers man and there was a respect for that. The same as when davie cooper died i was sad because he was a great footballer and i was a student and he used to come into the bar i worked in. He was a nice friendly , polite person and no big head.

Coillte_Bhoy · 14-04-2012 3:54pm

I find it hard to believe that Lennon actually got a letter like that. perhaps Dempsey could give us a direct link to where Lennon said it? I dont remember it in his autobiography though i stand to be corrected.

Dempsey · 14-04-2012 4:07pm

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

I find it hard to believe that Lennon actually got a letter like that. perhaps Dempsey could give us a direct link to where Lennon said it? I dont remember it in his autobiography though i stand to be corrected.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXGc3TtBBIM

Go to 2.45

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 14-04-2012 4:17pm

shankespony wrote: »

Yes that is a problem, i know very many decent rangers fans but i think the up to your knees brigade need to grow up. I have also been in the jock stein stand and listened to some mindless idiots slagging off mccoist when he played for kilmarnock and saying unforgivable things about his sick child. I should have said something then but didn't, i would now because its unacceptable. Its just a shame that the minority get the publicity. Theres a good few clips on youtube one is football faith and flutes and the other is scotlands secret shame. Makes interesting viewing. Would like to be in Donegal myself today sipping a pint in the smugglers!!!

Ah I will be visiting Jimmy Johnny,s in the port later I am a wee bit away from the Smugglers

Jelle1880 · 14-04-2012 4:20pm

I think you're seeing things there.

He mentions a letter, which could easily be the one I linked to, where Rangers ask him to come over and take a look.

The way you put it I thought you said he had a letter stating why they couldn't sign him.

It's funny how that, when a Catholic doesn't get a place at Rangers it must be due to the policy.

Not the fact that they just didn't think he was good enough, no, that could never be the case obviously.

Coillte_Bhoy · 14-04-2012 6:30pm

Dempsey wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXGc3TtBBIM

Go to 2.45

Nowhere in that interview does he say he got a letter stating they couldnt sign him because of a no catholics policy. Your clutching at straws there

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 14-04-2012 6:43pm

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Dempsey wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXGc3TtBBIM

Go to 2.45

Nowhere in that interview does he say he got a letter stating they couldnt sign him because of a no catholics policy. Your clutching at straws there

Of course it doesn't I have condemned that policy on this forum many times but anyone who thinks Rangers sent out letters stating religion as a reason for not signing someone is deluded

Dempsey · 14-04-2012 7:08pm

Jelle1880 wrote: »

I think you're seeing things there.

He mentions a letter, which could easily be the one I linked to, where Rangers ask him to come over and take a look.

The way you put it I thought you said he had a letter stating why they couldn't sign him.

It's funny how that, when a Catholic doesn't get a place at Rangers it must be due to the policy.

Not the fact that they just didn't think he was good enough, no, that could never be the case obviously.

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Nowhere in that interview does he say he got a letter stating they couldnt sign him because of a no catholics policy. Your clutching at straws there

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Of course it doesn't I have condemned that policy on this forum many times but anyone who thinks Rangers sent out letters stating religion as a reason for not signing someone is deluded

I did misinterpret what he meant by "I still have the letter", I hold my hand up on that.

From his autobiography

My dad had a conversation with Jock Wallace in which the Rangers manager said he had known about me for some time.

The subject of my religion was mentioned and my dad recalls that Wallace knew it would be a problem

For religion to be even a sticking point is shameful, to pretend that you werent signing a catholic player because of other reasons is shameful. I suppose it just a happy coincidence Jelle that catholics werent good enough for Rangers for a large part of their history? At least Bilbao tell you that your not Basque and we just want to sign Basque players and promote the Basque region.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 14-04-2012 7:32pm

Dempsey wrote: »

I did misinterpret what he meant by "I still have the letter", I hold my hand up on that.

From his autobiography

For religion to be even a sticking point is shameful, to pretend that you werent signing a catholic player because of other reasons is shameful. I suppose it just a happy coincidence Jelle that catholics werent good enough for Rangers for a large part of their history? At least Bilbao tell you that your not Basque and we just want to sign Basque players and promote the Basque region.

Ah so its changed now its because Wallace probably told his father there would be a problem which we all know happened to more than him it must have as the policy in place in time was one of ignorance.

But hey no letter surprise surprise.

As for what Bilbao do its great how one form of discrimination was alright while another isn't
Thats the difference between you and I, I know both are/were wrong

Dempsey · 14-04-2012 7:48pm

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Ah so its changed now its because Wallace probably told his father there would be a problem which we all know happened to more than him it must have as the policy in place in time was one of ignorance.

But hey no letter surprise surprise.

As for what Bilbao do its great how one form of discrimination was alright while another isn't
Thats the difference between you and I, I know both are/were wrong

Answer me this, why are Rangers fans so ashamed of the policy and why wasnt the club upfront about it. What was the reason behind starting the policy?

shankespony · 14-04-2012 8:07pm

Hi Dempsey, I recommend you read celtic minded and celtic minded2 to understand these things.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 14-04-2012 8:13pm

Dempsey wrote: »

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Ah so its changed now its because Wallace probably told his father there would be a problem which we all know happened to more than him it must have as the policy in place in time was one of ignorance.

But hey no letter surprise surprise.

As for what Bilbao do its great how one form of discrimination was alright while another isn't
Thats the difference between you and I, I know both are/were wrong

Answer me this, why are Rangers fans so ashamed of the policy and why wasnt the club upfront about it. What was the reason behind starting the policy?

Unfortunatley not all of them are but the biggest majority are so it has changed I don't speak for others as far as I am concerned it was wrong why did the club go down that route I have no idea and I doubt anyone could give a definitive reason as to why the club put that policy in place.

Now you tell me why after all these years of it being done away with do Celtic fans need to continually harp on about it. Does it make you feel superior it shouldn't

Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

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