Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013

GavRedKing · 05-02-2013 4:59pm #1

First post......woot!!

P.S.

Benitez in. :pac:

redarmy · 05-02-2013 5:00pm

Kess73 · 05-02-2013 5:00pm

Meh Gavblueking in first. :pac:

NabyLadistheman · 05-02-2013 5:01pm

By the time this thread closes we'll be on a massive unbeaten run, into the Europa semi-finals and one & all will be Brendan's deciples!

K-9 · 05-02-2013 5:01pm

Next Year.

Luckycharms_74 · 05-02-2013 5:01pm

Another shiny new thread. We really get through them :rolleyes:

D'Agger · 05-02-2013 5:02pm

#7 Boo Yawwww :pac:

Luckycharms_74 · 05-02-2013 5:02pm

GavRedKing wrote: »

First post......woot!!

P.S.

Benitez in deep sh1t. :pac:

FYP Gav

billymitchell · 05-02-2013 5:02pm

Our year

klose · 05-02-2013 5:03pm

Yay

GavRedKing · 05-02-2013 5:04pm

Needs more Doni.

Melion · 05-02-2013 5:04pm

DONI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

klose · 05-02-2013 5:06pm

GavRedKing wrote: »

Needs more Doni.

I got this

Bobeagleburger · 05-02-2013 5:15pm

Maggie Maggie Maggie

daithijjj · 05-02-2013 5:27pm

@ Kess.

Not gonna drag that post from previous thread but you are absolutely wrong about not having a chance of 4th in March. When we played Arsenal at home it was in our hands to be 1 point behind Arsenal. I showed the "as it stood table" and that is 100% correct. Your post was slightly 'angled' in your argument not pointing out that we had a game in hand.

Now, if we are not going to allow ifs and buts then i will look forward to this thread moving forward without any talk about "if we beat Swans" or "if we beat Swans, plus the next 2 plus Spurs". Even if we do its unlikely we would get to 1 point behind 4th as we had the chance to in March last season.

That's how it was and is, and yes, it has nowt to do with any manager debate.

gafferino · 05-02-2013 5:32pm

daithijjj wrote: »

@ Kess.

Not gonna drag that post from previous thread but you are absolutely wrong about not having a chance of 4th in March. When we played Arsenal at home it was in our hands to be 1 point behind Arsenal. I showed the "as it stood table" and that is 100% correct. Your post was slightly 'angled' in your argument not pointing out that we had a game in hand.

Now, if we are not going to allow ifs and buts then i will look forward to this thread moving forward without any talk about "if we beat Swans" or "if we beat Swans, plus the next 2 plus Spurs". Even if we do its unlikely we would get to 1 point behind 4th as we had the chance to in March last season.

That's how it was and is, and yes, it has nowt to do with any manager debate.

I think this was the whole point though - ifs and buts are ok when the event has not yet happened!

Anyone · 05-02-2013 5:32pm

Something,something...nazi's

Dont mind me, this thread(including its predecessors) needed to be affected by Godwins Law.

Funky G · 05-02-2013 5:37pm

new thread smell.....

ShamoBuc · 05-02-2013 5:37pm

Quiet in here, all shiny and new - I give it till tea time before normal business is resumed.

daithijjj · 05-02-2013 5:38pm

gafferino wrote: »

I think this was the whole point though - ifs and buts are ok when the event has not yet happened!

It was put to me that we had no chance of 4th in March 2012, which is 100% wrong. That's where it begins and ends.

gafferino · 05-02-2013 5:40pm

daithijjj wrote: »

It was put to me that we had no chance of 4th in March 2012, which is 100% wrong. That's where it begins and ends.

yeah sorry wasnt getting involved in that side of things.

machiavellianme · 05-02-2013 5:51pm

New thread fail. Where's the link to the old one?

K-9 · 05-02-2013 5:53pm

daithijjj wrote: »

@ Kess.

Not gonna drag that post from previous thread but you are absolutely wrong about not having a chance of 4th in March. When we played Arsenal at home it was in our hands to be 1 point behind Arsenal. I showed the "as it stood table" and that is 100% correct. Your post was slightly 'angled' in your argument not pointing out that we had a game in hand.

Now, if we are not going to allow ifs and buts then i will look forward to this thread moving forward without any talk about "if we beat Swans" or "if we beat Swans, plus the next 2 plus Spurs". Even if we do its unlikely we would get to 1 point behind 4th as we had the chance to in March last season.

That's how it was and is, and yes, it has nowt to do with any manager debate.

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2011-2012/table/2012-02-26

After 25 games, 7 points behind and a game in hand on Chelsea and Arsenal, closer than we are now but depending on both Chelsea and Arsenal dropping points. Once we lost to Arsenal it really was over.

Going on the run ins posted last night I think we can close the gap on Spurs as they've a tough run in and overtake Everton, the match on May 4 might even be a battle to see who finishes highest. Personally I think Arsenal have enough quality to get fourth.

Kess73 · 05-02-2013 6:04pm

daithijjj wrote: »

It was put to me that we had no chance of 4th in March 2012, which is 100% wrong. That's where it begins and ends.

The fact of the matter is that we were 10 points behind 4th place that weekend and the gap only grew from that point onwards. Saying that we had a good shot at 4th place in March is being more than a bit generous with the facts given that as soon as we played our first game in March we were 10 points off of 4th.

Basically what you are saying is that until we played a game in March we looked to have a shot at getting back into the race for 4th. But once we played a game that turned out to be it.

Here is one for you though. This weekend we play our 26th game of the season. Game 26 last season was the first game we played in March and the game that saw us drop to 10 points off of 4th place.

My question to you is if we win this weekend and Spurs lose, are you going to say that we look to have a good chance of getting back in the mix for 4th?

Afterall that would put us 6 points off of 4th after 26 games played.

If your answer is no, then why so as we would only be two points further off of 4th than we were before the utter collapse in league form that started last January.

For the record I don't think that we would be back in the mix for 4th if we won and Spurs lost, simply because I don't think that all the teams ahead of us will all drop enough points for us to take advantage of. Not to mention my doubts about us staying consistent enough to take advantage even if they did.

I do concede that the debate is a little stacked in the sense that future events can be spoken of in ifs and maybes up to the point when they occur, whereas past events can only be viewed and judged by what actually happened.

daithijjj · 05-02-2013 6:04pm

K-9 wrote: »

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2011-2012/table/2012-02-26

After 25 games, 7 points behind and a game in hand on Chelsea and Arsenal, closer than we are now but depending on both Chelsea and Arsenal dropping points. Once we lost to Arsenal it really was over.

Going on the run ins posted last night I think we can close the gap on Spurs as they've a tough run in and overtake Everton, the match on May 4 might even be a battle to see who finishes highest. Personally I think Arsenal have enough quality to get fourth.

Which is all i said in the first place.

7 points behind Arsenal, game in hand. Chelsea about to play City and Spurs (where they picked up one point). Arsenal and Chelsea still had to play each other and us having Chelsea at home as our toughest game left. Make no mistake, when we played Arsenal we had a very realistic chance of 4th. I also said in my initial post that when we lost to Arsenal that was pretty much it despite all the above.

You'd take that scenario now this season K-9 when we play Spurs?. Absolutely you would, we all would.

daithijjj · 05-02-2013 6:17pm

Kess73 wrote: »

The fact of the matter is that we were 10 points behind 4th place that weekend and the gap only grew from that point onwards. Saying that we had a good shot at 4th place in March is being more than a bit generous with the facts given that as soon as we played our first game in March we were 10 points off of 4th.

Basically what you are saying is that until we played a game in March we looked to have a shot at getting back into the race for 4th. But once we played a game that turned out to be it.

Here is one for you though. This weekend we play our 26th game of the season. Game 26 last season was the first game we played in March and the game that saw us drop to 10 points off of 4th place.

My question to you is if we win this weekend and Spurs lose, are you going to say that we look to have a good chance of getting back in the mix for 4th?

Afterall that would put us 6 points off of 4th after 26 games played.

If your answer is no, then why so as we would only be two points further off of 4th than we were before the utter collapse in league form that started last January.

For the record I don't think that we would be back in the mix for 4th if we won and Spurs lost, simply because I don't think that all the teams ahead of us will all drop enough points for us to take advantage of. Not to mention my doubts about us staying consistent enough to take advantage even if they did.

I do concede that the debate is a little stacked in the sense that future events can be spoken of in ifs and maybes up to the point when they occur, whereas past events can only be viewed and judged by what actually happened.

You still havent brought into the discussion that we had a game in hand even after we lost to Arsenal because our league game was put off due to winning a league cup final. So talking about 10 points gap is disingenuous and you know it, (provided you actually realised we had a game in hand in your first riposte, if you didnt fair enough).

Even in my initial post i stated it was finished after the Arsenal game so i dont know what the issue is there. We still had a game in hand.

I still think we can creep up and have a chance this season because we shouldnt be giving in. If we show that we havent given in yet in our next few games then i will take that as some mental progress within the squad. Its difficult to know what is going on inside the squad, whether Brendan is going all out for one or undermining both by trying to compete for both. Most of surely think we dont have the squad for both?.

At this stage i hope to have a small chance of 4th when we take on Spurs. And if we can beat them and push on, great.

K-9 · 05-02-2013 6:22pm

daithijjj wrote: »

You'd take that scenario now this season K-9 when we play Spurs?. Absolutely you would, we all would.

Absolutely, 9 points now, we could be 7 points behind by then, I'd take that yep, but I hate us playing Spurs!

I think we have enough to close the gap on them given our run in but just not enough to get 4th, we could have something similar to last season, Spurs only getting 16/36 and if we get 24/36 which is possible on that run in. Again though I think Arsenal have enough to go on a good run and stay ahead of us, we just aren't capable of only losing one game and a couple of draws, 30/39 would be an exceptional run for us and probably not enough.

YouTookMyName · 05-02-2013 6:34pm

#28 :cool:

happyoutscan · 05-02-2013 6:36pm

Can someone remind me why we should be celebrating the awesomeness (I'm assuming) of Doni? I constantly follow this thread but can't figure out why?

mike65 · 05-02-2013 6:41pm

happyoutscan wrote: »

Can someone remind me why we should be celebrating the awesomeness (I'm assuming) of Doni? I constantly follow this thread but can't figure out why?

Its a post-modern joke - if Igor Biscan were at the club you'd not be able to move for witty references to his willy or some such.

Kess73 · 05-02-2013 6:43pm

daithijjj wrote: »

You still havent brought into the discussion that we had a game in hand even after we lost to Arsenal because our league game was put off due to winning a league cup final. So talking about 10 points gap is disingenuous and you know it, (provided you actually realised we had a game in hand in your first riposte, if you didnt fair enough).

Even in my initial post i stated it was finished after the Arsenal game so i dont know what the issue is there. We still had a game in hand.

I still think we can creep up and have a chance this season because we shouldnt be giving in. If we show that we havent given in yet in our next few games then i will take that as some mental progress within the squad. Its difficult to know what is going on inside the squad, whether Brendan is going all out for one or undermining both by trying to compete for both. Most of surely think we dont have the squad for both?.

At this stage i hope to have a small chance of 4th when we take on Spurs. And if we can beat them and push on, great.

No it is not disingenuous to talk of the ten point gap regardless of the game in hand, because at the start of March last season that 10 point gap between us and 4th became reality and it never grew less than 10 points from that point onwards.

I think we are both being a little pedantic here to suit our own arguement, and we can both point to facts from last March that would technically back what each of us are saying.

I still think it was a little bit optimistic to try and say that we had a really good shot at 4th place in March, as you did last night, when that fact was gone as soon as we played a game in March last season and it never looked like coming back from that point onwards.

Personally I prefer looking at it in terms of games played (hence why I have mentioned the game number a few times in my earlier posts) as using the month is a bit deceptive and makes it sound like we were in the race for 4th spot for a month longer than it looks now when in fact we are now on the exact number of games played in the league as we were at the start of March last season.

As for this season, well as already said in my other reply to you, I don't think we will make 4th but I don't think we will finish the season as far off of it as last season.

As for not having the squad for the two competitions we are left in. Right now I think the answer to that has to be yes.

We have 13 league games and a maximum of 9 Europa league games. So that is potentially 22 games spread out over roughly 16 weeks.

We have two players in Sturridge and Coutinho who cannot play in the EL, so that is two that can only play 13 games max, and who will be able to cover for the two that take their spots in the EL games.

That leaves the rest of an almost fully fit squad to cope with up to 22 games over a four month period.

I would be disgusted if I saw one competition being favoured over the other at this point, and would expect us to fight on the two fronts as hard as we can for as long as we can.

Kess73 · 05-02-2013 6:45pm

mike65 wrote: »

Its a post-modern joke - if Igor Biscan were at the club you'd not be able to move for witty references to his willy or some such.

Meh Biscan. He was no N'Gog. Now there was a man who could get part time work as a tripod from War Of The Worlds.

GavRedKing · 05-02-2013 6:46pm

machiavellianme wrote: »

New thread fail. Where's the link to the old one?

here it is, Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

happyoutscan · 05-02-2013 6:47pm

mike65 wrote: »

Its a post-modern joke - if Igor Biscan were at the club you'd not be able to move for witty references to his willy or some such.

That - in a nutshell - explains it perfectly.

klose · 05-02-2013 6:54pm

Suso is starting for spain u21s in a while

mike65 · 05-02-2013 7:06pm

lineup

Kepa, Carvajal, Sergi Gómez, Amat, Aurtenetxe, Rubén Pardo, Obiang, Deulofeu, Sarabia, Suso, Alcácer.

which seems to be mainly the U19 squad at a glance.

opr · 05-02-2013 7:08pm

klose wrote: »

Suso is starting for spain u21s in a while

That's a nice feather in his cap as that team is packed full of talent. Interesting to see if they use him more central or out wide.

Opr

G.K. · 05-02-2013 7:11pm

Didn't realise Aurtenetxe was that young.

Kerrigooney · 05-02-2013 7:19pm

Kess73 wrote: »

Meh Biscan. He was no N'Gog. Now there was a man who could get part time work as a tripod from War Of The Worlds.

Oi...nooooooo. I wont hear a bad word said about Igor. The toussled hair,the permanent look of bewilderment on his face...a living legend.

Kerrigooney · 05-02-2013 7:26pm

9992 posts in 38 days??

That's just shy of 263 posts per day:eek:

That is proper bloody mental.

No wonder it's so hard keeping up with this thread.

daithijjj · 05-02-2013 7:28pm

Kess73 wrote: »

No it is not disingenuous to talk of the ten point gap regardless of the game in hand, because at the start of March last season that 10 point gap between us and 4th became reality and it never grew less than 10 points from that point onwards.

I think we are both being a little pedantic here to suit our own arguement, and we can both point to facts from last March that would technically back what each of us are saying.

I still think it was a little bit optimistic to try and say that we had a really good shot at 4th place in March, as you did last night, when that fact was gone as soon as we played a game in March last season and it never looked like coming back from that point onwards.

Personally I prefer looking at it in terms of games played (hence why I have mentioned the game number a few times in my earlier posts) as using the month is a bit deceptive and makes it sound like we were in the race for 4th spot for a month longer than it looks now when in fact we are now on the exact number of games played in the league as we were at the start of March last season.

As for this season, well as already said in my other reply to you, I don't think we will make 4th but I don't think we will finish the season as far off of it as last season.

As for not having the squad for the two competitions we are left in. Right now I think the answer to that has to be yes.

We have 13 league games and a maximum of 9 Europa league games. So that is potentially 22 games spread out over roughly 16 weeks.

We have two players in Sturridge and Coutinho who cannot play in the EL, so that is two that can only play 13 games max, and who will be able to cover for the two that take their spots in the EL games.

That leaves the rest of an almost fully fit squad to cope with up to 22 games over a four month period.

I would be disgusted if I saw one competition being favoured over the other at this point, and would expect us to fight on the two fronts as hard as we can for as long as we can.

That 10 point gap could have been 1 point very easily, thats the whole fking point of what we are talking about, nothing else. It was never a topic of discussion whether we could have got back in it after that because i already conceded that point myself in my own post prior to any riposte, you are arguing a stance that was already conceded ffs!!!!! :pac:

Kess73 · 05-02-2013 7:34pm

daithijjj wrote: »

That 10 point gap could have been 1 point very easily, thats the whole fking point of what we are talking about, nothing else. It was never a topic of discussion whether we could have got back in it after that because i already conceded that point myself in my own post prior to any riposte, you are arguing a stance that was already conceded ffs!!!!! :pac:

And yet you keep responding.:pac: The joys of a discussion between two stubborn heads who can suffer from selective tunnel vision

klose · 05-02-2013 7:39pm

Robinson,wisdom,hender :pac: and shelvey starting for england u21s. Hender will captain em as always

mike65 · 05-02-2013 7:40pm

Dunno why Liverpool kicked up a fuss about Sterling playing. Could have had nearly half a side out there.

daithijjj · 05-02-2013 7:40pm

Kess73 wrote: »

And yet you keep responding.:pac: The joys of a discussion between two stubborn heads who can suffer from selective tunnel vision

It was in our hands to be 1 point behind Arsenal in March, that's the only point i ever made. The league table says i was correct..............now apologise please :pac:

Kess73 · 05-02-2013 7:43pm

daithijjj wrote: »

It was in our hands to be 1 point behind Arsenal in March, that's the only point i ever made. The league table says i was correct..............now apologise please :pac:

Ifs and maybes

The league table says I am correct to say that we were ten points behind 4th once we played our first game in March, so say sorry with sugar on top. :pac:

opr · 05-02-2013 7:47pm

Legal youtube stream for the Spanish game - http://www.rtbf.be/livecenter/live_belgique-espagne-u21?id=46535

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOMHtHTGFoo

Opr

tok9 · 05-02-2013 7:54pm

Didn't know there are illegal youtube streams of matches.

mike65 · 05-02-2013 7:56pm

Parking Pataweyo plays for Spain!

daithijjj · 05-02-2013 7:57pm

Kess73 wrote: »

Ifs and maybes

The league table says I am correct to say that we were ten points behind 4th once we played our first game in March, so say sorry with sugar on top. :pac:

I accept your apology. *manhug*

Kess73 · 05-02-2013 8:01pm

daithijjj wrote: »

I am so sorry Kess. I was very wrong.........again

No problem Daithi, all is forgiven my sweet petal.

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013

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