Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12

Hulk Hands · 12-09-2011 5:19pm

I find it more perplexing that Jones is getting all this hype now, when to my mind Smalling has been even more impressive, over a great deal many more games, and hasn't had anywhere near as much chatter about him.

VW 1 · 12-09-2011 5:30pm

flahavaj wrote: »

Smalling and Jones and to a lesser extent Walker looked head and shoulders above the rest of the England lads. Partly down to mediocrity and partly due to the manager making stupid decisons like playing Mancienne in the middle ahead of Cleverley.

I thought that decision was lunacy at the time and I'm sure I probably said it on here at some point.

But on reflection would the English FA not have to look at what is happening in the u21 set up and what is happening with u21 players in the PL, realise how unbelievably shíte Stuart Pearce is at what he does and fúck him out of there asap.

VW 1 · 12-09-2011 5:33pm

Hulk Hands wrote: »

I find it more perplexing that Jones is getting all this hype now, when to my mind Smalling has been even more impressive, over a great deal many more games, and hasn't had anywhere near as much chatter about him.

Both have been excellent to date and have absolutely enormous potential for the future but there is just that something about Jones that has superstar written all over him, as well as being younger and more of a leader than Smalling I believe he just has more to his game at this point.

flahavaj · 12-09-2011 5:36pm

VW 1 wrote: »

I thought that decision was lunacy at the time and I'm sure I probably said it on here at some point.

But on reflection would the English FA not have to look at what is happening in the u21 set up and what is happening with u21 players in the PL, realise how unbelievably shíte Stuart Pearce is at what he does and fúck him out of there asap.

Wildly off topic but it sums up the recurrent problems English football has at major tournaments when they have a neanderthal like Pearce in charge of an underage team.

VW 1 · 12-09-2011 5:40pm

flahavaj wrote: »

Wildly off topic but it sums up the recurrent problems English football has at major tournaments when they have a neanderthal like Pearce in charge of an underage team.

Sorry for the OT it just really bugs me that the potential isnt realised because the people in charge are too stubborn or stupid to realise that changes need to be made and things arent as they were 10-15-20 years ago. We realise that as interested outsiders yet Pearce is getting paid a good wage to make good players look like they cant play football.

dahat · 12-09-2011 6:11pm

Sure Micheal Manciene is a great midfielder....a great pick by Pearce:rolleyes:

Cypher_sounds · 12-09-2011 7:48pm

dahat wrote: »

Sure Micheal Manciene is a great midfielder....a great pick by Pearce:rolleyes:

He's getting his games for Hamburg SV in the Bundesliga all the same, played the full 90 at the weekend.

He's a defender btw.

Blatter · 12-09-2011 7:52pm

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

He's getting his games for Hamburg SV in the Bundesliga all the same, played the full 90 at the weekend.

Yeah, but the point was that he's a CB and was being played in midfield by Pearce because Smalling/Jones couldn't be displaced. It was a managerial decision that was clearly accommodating a player to the detriment of the team. I think he had previously made Mancienne captain and probably felt he had to get him into the side somehow. Shocking management.

Cypher_sounds · 12-09-2011 8:04pm

Blatter wrote: »

Yeah, but the point was that he's a CB and was being played in midfield by Pearce because Smalling/Jones couldn't be displaced. It was a managerial decision that was clearly accommodating a player to the detriment of the team. I think he had previously made Mancienne captain and probably felt he had to get him into the side somehow. Shocking management.

I agree thats shocking managment, why would he play a player out of position unnecessarily, pretty stupid and it shows Pearce's incapabilities as a manager.
Also i dont think he is a good candidate to have been made captain before.

Cypher_sounds · 12-09-2011 8:05pm

dahat wrote: »

Sure Micheal Manciene is a great midfielder....a great pick by Pearce:rolleyes:

Sarcasm dector back working again, continue:pac:

n32 · 12-09-2011 8:15pm

by the time the next world cup comes around england should be very strong contenders when you consider the amount of young english players now playing at top 6 clubs. pearce should have done much better than he has done with the u21's. england could have a team along these lines by 2014;

hart

jones

smalling

gary cahill

walker

welbeck

cleverley

wilshere

young

rooney

sturridge
Subs: andy carroll, henderson, martin kelly, walcott, mc eachran, conor wickham, adam johnson, milner, albrighton, ross barkley

its been a long time since so many young english players were playing key roles at top clubs in the premiership

Paul Tergat · 12-09-2011 8:17pm

meh, we talk ourselves up enough without you lot getting involved :pac:

on paper England usually look decent and have done for years. turning that into success is where we always fail.

G.K. · 12-09-2011 8:18pm

No way Welbeck should be at RW.

DOC09UNAM · 12-09-2011 8:21pm

Did very well there with sunderland when he was on loan.

n32 · 12-09-2011 8:21pm

G.K. wrote: »

No way Welbeck should be at RW.

i wasnt picking a team to win the world cup, just highlighting the strength of numbers;)

SilverFox261 · 12-09-2011 8:32pm

G.K. wrote: »

@OptaJoe Opta Sports
22 - David de Gea has made more saves than any other Premier League goalkeeper this season. Tested. #mufc

Just to have a look at this stat.... Is anyone else concerned that DDG has had to make that many saves? For all the talk and hype regarding Jones and Smalling's attacking ability as defenders (practically all of which is justified IMO), is it leaving the defence a bit too exposed?

Professional Griefer · 12-09-2011 8:33pm

SilverFox261 wrote: »

Just to have a look at this stat.... Is anyone else concerned that DDG has had to make that many saves? For all the talk and hype regarding Jones and Smalling's attacking ability as defenders (practically all of which is justified IMO), is it leaving the defence a bit too exposed?

No. its more because of how he started out for us, with Dzekos goal and that he didn't look to confident, a lot of teams have been shooting from outside the box.

keane2097 · 12-09-2011 8:36pm

SilverFox261 wrote: »

Just to have a look at this stat.... Is anyone else concerned that DDG has had to make that many saves? For all the talk and hype regarding Jones and Smalling's attacking ability as defenders (practically all of which is justified IMO), is it leaving the defence a bit too exposed?

Doesn't matter, we're scoring four goals a game.

redzerdrog · 12-09-2011 8:36pm

if jones is england rb at the next world cup i will eat my body weight in tomato ketchup

btw i hate ketchup with a passion and feel ill at the sight of it:pac:

n32 · 12-09-2011 8:37pm

Ix Deadmau5 wrote: »

No. its more because of how he started out for us, with Dzekos goal and that he didn't look to confident, a lot of teams have been shooting from outside the box.

first few league games were ridiculous the amount of long range shots teams were trying. vandervaart in particular was shooting from anywhere inside 40 yards. he hasnt had to make too many 1on1 saves which is a better indicator of our defending. let teams keep shooting from ridiculous angles

Quandary · 12-09-2011 8:40pm

redzerdrog wrote: »

if jones is england rb at the next world cup i will eat my body weight in tomato ketchup

btw i hate ketchup with a passion and feel ill at the sight of it:pac:

More chance he'll be playing at Cb with Cahill on the bench. imo, Jones and Smalling are the future centre back pairing for both Utd and England.

Unashamedly biased as a Utd fan im sure, but screw it

redzerdrog · 12-09-2011 8:58pm

Quandary wrote: »

More chance he'll be playing at Cb with Cahill on the bench. imo, Jones and Smalling are the future centre back pairing for both Utd and England.

Unashamedly biased as a Utd fan im sure, but screw it

imo cahill is a level above both at this moment in time but who knows a lot can happen between now and then

to think 6 utd players will be starting for england at the next world cup is a bit stupid and incredibally biased to say the least

For the next wc you still have players like micah richards, baines, gibbs, dawson, johnson, milner, walcot, johnson, downing, carrol,lennon, jarvis, huddlestone, henderson, agbonlahor

Blatter · 12-09-2011 9:04pm

redzerdrog wrote: »

imo cahill is a level above both at this moment in time but who knows a lot can happen between now and then

I strongly disagree, I think both Smalling and Jones are a level above Gary Cahill tbh.

redzerdrog · 12-09-2011 9:05pm

Blatter wrote: »

I strongly disagree, I think both Smalling and Jones are a level above Gary Cahill tbh.

they have the potential to be but at this moment they are not

imho of course

eugeneious · 12-09-2011 9:09pm

redzerdrog wrote: »

they have the potential to be but at this moment they are not

imho of course

Tbh I have to agree with this. As good as Jones and Smalling have been, they are still very inexperienced and still a long way off the finished article. It's great to be excited about some of the young players but sometimes people on here go overboard with the hype,

Blatter · 12-09-2011 9:09pm

redzerdrog wrote: »

they have the potential to be but at this moment they are not

imho of course

We'll have to agree to disagree.

But I'm pretty confident that throughout the course of the season the two lads will prove to everyone that they are better than Gary Cahill.

Quandary · 12-09-2011 9:10pm

redzerdrog wrote: »

imo cahill is a level above both at this moment in time but who knows a lot can happen between now and then

to think 6 utd players will be starting for england at the next world cup is a bit stupid and incredibally biased to say the least

For the next wc you still have players like micah richards, baines, gibbs, dawson, johnson, milner, walcot, johnson, downing, carrol,lennon, jarvis, huddlestone, henderson, agbonlahor

Based on how they are progressing right now, Rooney, Welbeck, Jones, Smalling and Cleverley would all be very likely candidates to start for England in the next WC.

Like you said, a lot can happen between now and then but if their progress continues then it's very likely all 5 would be starters.

Biased, yes maybe. But to say anyone who thinks this is stupid is just plain stupid really.

DM_7 · 12-09-2011 9:15pm

6 players?

Lads I expected better, your forgetting about Tunners and Ravel.

Masked Man · 12-09-2011 9:15pm

Based on how they are progressing right now, Rooney, Welbeck, Jones, Smalling and Cleverley would all be very likely candidates to start for England in the next WC.

Yeah Rooney really looks like a good prospect, definitely one to watch.

Hulk Hands · 12-09-2011 9:17pm

redzerdrog wrote: »

they have the potential to be but at this moment they are not

imho of course

eugeneious wrote: »

Tbh I have to agree with this. As good as Jones and Smalling have been, they are still very inexperienced and still a long way off the finished article. It's great to be excited about some of the young players but sometimes people on here go overboard with the hype,

Did either of ye watch Smalling last season? He barely put a foot wrong all year long. He's easily in the top 6 or so CB's in the league at this stage. When we talk about potential we are talking about him potentially going on to become the best CB in the world, because he's already one of the best in the premiership

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