Former Waterford Cllr denies corruption charges

ComfyKnickers · 24-05-2012 10:12am

hardybuck wrote: »

ComfyKnickers wrote: »

Wow if he gets the full ten years for what, 80k, half the bankers that fecked this country up to the tune of millions should never see daylight again! And what about all the politicians and property developers who we heard about during the Tribunals, very few of them saw a prison cell. What he did was wrong but this country is so imbalanced when it comes to handing out sentences, it's disgraceful. Be interesting to see what he gets!

Sentences which are available to the judge are there for a reason - they are seen as a fair punishment for the crime committed.

Everyone who was found by the recent tribunals to have committed fraud and accepted corrupt payments should also be tried in similar fashion - but at this stage they probably won't.

The best outsome is that there will be a line drawn in the sand from this point onwards, abuse your position of power and face the consequences.

That's the point I was making, people commit the same crime, some don't get prosecuted at all, some get put away for years, that shouldn't be the case.

Media999 · 24-05-2012 10:33am

Show the investors what we do to bent scum. Give him 10 years and get some confidence back in the system.

People like this have 1000s unemployed to line there own pockets. Absolutely hang the bastard. Imagine the smile on his face when he was handed 60k in cash. Plenty of people with same smile on there faces in this country after taking an envelope. Bent scum.

deisemum · 24-05-2012 12:13pm

Sentencing has been defered to late June due to a death.

scholar007 · 24-05-2012 12:53pm

deisemum wrote: »

Sentencing has been defered to late June due to a death.

Oh well - If Freddie is going to the slammer, at least he will have a tan!

Johnny Johnson · 24-05-2012 1:48pm

THEIRISHMOB wrote: »

I have NO time for anyone that rats on people. He took a bribe and he DID NOT rob anyone....jesus. This country is so F***** up. I'd take it.. would you not?

No time for a "rat" eh but you will defend someone who broke the law.

Jason Todd · 27-06-2012 12:56pm

Did I hear right on the news just now, sentence of 6 years with 2 suspended handed down to Forsey? Judge said something about the sentence being a 'deterrent' to others.

mike65 · 27-06-2012 1:00pm

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0627/breaking24.html

beware your ex!

ziedth · 27-06-2012 1:10pm

If anyone ever sees me on PI saying I have an opportunity to cheat on the wife link to this thread.

Jesus, I didn't think in a million years he'd serve time. Let alone fairly serious time.

Max Powers · 27-06-2012 1:25pm

Didnt read the whole article, he got 6 years with last 2 suspended, great, i hope he serves those 4 and has any public payment entitlements stripped also. (I know, i know, 'stripped' while talking about prisons, no pun intended)

Now hopefully, they can lock up a few more, Lowry, P Flynn, Ahearne, Sean Fitzpatrick, Mick Wallace, Quinn and his sons, Clallely, O'Donoghue, etc etc and gain some sort of credibility in our legal/political system

Trick of the Tail · 27-06-2012 1:30pm

Good. Its about time public figures who practise corruption were made to pay. Its actions like those that have the country the way its in.

This shows that the justice system does work, but only IF/WHEN the cases are taken by the Gardai/DPP. Instead we have other law-breakers in public life against whom no action is taken, inexplicably.

(q.v. Mick Wallace. Admits to breaking the law but no prosecution looking likely yet).

In a way I feel a little sorry for Forsey though, he must be wondering why he's in jail and not countless other public figures who had their hand in the cookie jar.

A.

CarrickMcJoe · 27-06-2012 1:32pm

Ah well, at least when Fred gets out of prison his bit on the side will look even more like his ex wife

and no danger of him sending texts to the wrong person in prison!

ComfyKnickers · 27-06-2012 4:26pm

Jesus if the ex-wife gets a new fella he'll be fecking terrified to open his mouth about anything lol ;-)

Johnny Johnson · 27-06-2012 4:52pm

You play with fire and you will get burnt. Hopefully a few more get burnt too

Nypd · 27-06-2012 9:22pm

Johnny Johnson wrote: »

You play with fire and you will get burnt. Hopefully a few more get burnt too

It's a start !!!
Hopefully the trend will continue, it will make future politicians think twice before they take a bung

waterford · 28-06-2012 1:52am

Fred took the wrap for all the boys
and the big man is still riding high free and easy

MinisterJD · 28-06-2012 2:04am

The big man is just back from watching his horse running at Royal Ascot.!!

Smiley Burnett · 28-06-2012 10:57am

Have ye any clue to what's ACTUALLY going on in this case??? The big man HAS ALREADY BEEN CHARGED in relation to this matter and his CASE IS DUE TO BE HEARD LATER THIS YEAR.

Some of the commentary that has been written on boards etc in relation to this case is nothing short of a joke!!

spankmemunkey · 28-06-2012 11:49am

Im sure there were alot more who took bungs who are destroying their paper trails as we speak.

2 of your former Prime ministers were corrupt and took money and bungs all over the place, they were also in the same party

Bertie Ahern and Charles Haughey, they were the 2 that were caught,

If the leaders of a party were on the fiddle im sure that it disspated down the line, Ireland is a hugely corrupt country.

Media999 · 28-06-2012 8:36pm

"Earlier the court heard from Det Insp Shay Keevans, who arrested Forsey in July 2009, when he returned to Ireland after leaving the country for Australia in June 2007."

So this chap took 60k and fled to Australia to spend it.

Deserves every thing that happens to him inside. Hell be mentally and physically tortured for money daily.

mccarthy37 · 07-07-2012 2:51pm

What would Charlie Haughey make of all this.

MinisterJD · 10-07-2013 9:28am

So Fred was found guilty of receiving a corrupt payment but the developer who can afford to pay Senior Counsel Patrick Gagesby to represent him is found not guilty of paying it.The mighty Irish Judicial system.

ziedth · 10-07-2013 10:14am

MinisterJD wrote: »

So Fred was found guilty of receiving a corrupt payment but the developer who can afford to pay Senior Counsel Patrick Gagesby to represent him is found not guilty of paying it.The mighty Irish Judicial system.

Is there a link? If it's as straight forward as that then surely yer man has grounds for appeal?

MinisterJD · 10-07-2013 10:16am

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/developer-michael-ryan-in-fred-forsey-jr-forsey-case-found-not-guilty-of-80k-bribes-29408496.html

Sully · 10-07-2013 10:21am

Was wondering this yesterday, how odd

MinisterJD · 10-07-2013 10:26am

There are other interesting aspects of this case that have never being highlighted by the media but I don't wish to reveal them on here(not hearsay there is documented evidence to back them up).

Sully · 10-07-2013 10:32am

MinisterJD wrote: »

There are other interesting aspects of this case that have never being highlighted by the media but I don't wish to reveal them on here(not hearsay there is documented evidence to back them up).

Why not?

flutered · 10-07-2013 10:48am

an irish answer to an irish problem is it not, one guy is convicted of recieving money from another guy, the other guy is found not guilty of giving the guilty guy money, if it was an episode from mrs browne it would be called ludicrous, with a thread running into a 1,000 posts.

tipptom · 10-07-2013 10:53am

Had Fred not been engaged as a witness for either the prosecution or the defence in the trial?

mike65 · 10-07-2013 11:06am

MinisterJD wrote: »

So Fred was found guilty of receiving a corrupt payment but the developer who can afford to pay Senior Counsel Patrick Gagesby to represent him is found not guilty of paying it.The mighty Irish Judicial system.

Separate trials with separate verdicts. While cause and effect would seem clear at a glance and that either both or neither are guilty, your average jury is dangerously ignorant and easily swayed while frequently bored.

Smiley Burnett · 10-07-2013 9:59pm

certain evidence was heard in the forsey case that wasn't heard in the ryan case, due to his legal team successfully arguing that it be disallowed...

That's it in a nutshell...

tipptom · 11-07-2013 9:46am

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

certain evidence was heard in the forsey case that wasn't heard in the ryan case, due to his legal team successfully arguing that it be disallowed...

That's it in a nutshell...

That would be the Gagesby effect,rich mans defence better than poor mans defence.

MinisterJD · 15-07-2013 11:10pm

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/forsey-to-appeal-conviction-over-80k-bribes-29419843.html

waterford · 16-07-2013 10:28pm

Forsey case was heard in the June2012 and the Ryan case wasn't heard till
July 2013 yet both were arrested and charged at the same time and was known as the Forsey /Ryan case originally.
Ryan stated after been found not guilty that 16 others had received non- returnable loans from him. I guess "money talks" or maybe "silence is golden"

Former Waterford Cllr denies corruption charges

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