Turning up to 11

colm_gti · 23-04-2015 11:14pm #1

Thinking of upgrading to 11 speed, either 105 5800 or Campy Athena, wheels are 11 speed compatible so that's not an issue.

Anyone tried both and have any back to back comparisons?

I've only ever had Tiagra or 105 10 speed on my bikes, so little experience with campy, apart from admiring it on occasion.

Also, where is cheapest to pick up full groupsets?

Plastik · 23-04-2015 11:36pm

I should have Athena11 here at some stage next week all going well if you want to try it.

Quigs Snr · 24-04-2015 12:33am

Plastik wrote: »

I should have Athena11 here at some stage next week all going well if you want to try it.

I usually but not always find ribble to be the cheapest

petethedrummer · 24-04-2015 1:05am

You could buy a triple. That would be 10 extra gears. A better gear to euros spent ratio.

lennymc · 24-04-2015 9:23am

Did anyone else think of this?

DirkVoodoo · 24-04-2015 9:37am

colm_gti wrote: »

Thinking of upgrading to 11 speed, either 105 5800 or Campy Athena, wheels are 11 speed compatible so that's not an issue.

Anyone tried both and have any back to back comparisons?

I've only ever had Tiagra or 105 10 speed on my bikes, so little experience with campy, apart from admiring it on occasion.

Also, where is cheapest to pick up full groupsets?

I've had both. Personally while I like Campagnolo for aesthetic reasons and hood shape, the new 105 is quite close to being perfect, especially when compared on a cost/performance level.

I've got Ultegra Di2 and honestly the front shifting is so easy now with the redesigned front derailleur that it feels very close to its electronic equivalent.

I also much prefer the new hood shape over previous Shimano designs and the level of trickle down makes this feel closer to Ultegra/Dura Ace than it ever has done before.

Stevieg2009 · 24-04-2015 10:14am

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

I've had both. Personally while I like Campagnolo for aesthetic reasons and hood shape, the new 105 is quite close to being perfect, especially when compared on a cost/performance level.

I've got Ultegra Di2 and honestly the front shifting is so easy now with the redesigned front derailleur that it feels very close to its electronic equivalent.

I also much prefer the new hood shape over previous Shimano designs and the level of trickle down makes this feel closer to Ultegra/Dura Ace than it ever has done before.

Have to agree the new ultegra is fantastic and the 105 is right up there with it in relation to performance at a lesser cost but it really is hard to tell the difference why anyone would spend a load more cash on dura ace is beyond me,but back to the question 105 all the way it's just easier more compatible with everything and cheaper for parts

quozl · 24-04-2015 10:21am

With 5800 105 being released just over a year ago, can we expect 5900 any time soon or are the Shimano releases not like that?

Cee-Jay-Cee · 24-04-2015 10:28am

quozl wrote: »

With 5800 105 being released just over a year ago, can we expect 5900 any time soon or are the Shimano releases not like that?

There may be a 5801 with some sort of revision but 5900 suggests 12spd which none of the manufacturers have produced yet or even hinted at (that I know of)

cython · 24-04-2015 10:54am

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

There may be a 5801 with some sort of revision but 5900 suggests 12spd which none of the manufacturers have produced yet or even hinted at (that I know of)

Not necessarily, 5600/5700 and 6600/6700 were all 10 speed variants of 105 and Ultegra respectively, so 5900/6900 could be a redesigned 11 speed set of groupsets. However we'd be seeing 6900 with a year or 2 lead on 5900, and a Dura Ace variant before that again, so I would agree that 5900 is still some ways off!

guym · 24-04-2015 11:47am

105 11 speed gruppo available on 4thebike.ie for €375. Have bought form them before and can highly recommend.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 24-04-2015 9:02pm

cython wrote: »

Not necessarily, 5600/5700 and 6600/6700 were all 10 speed variants of 105 and Ultegra respectively, so 5900/6900 could be a redesigned 11 speed set of groupsets. However we'd be seeing 6900 with a year or 2 lead on 5900, and a Dura Ace variant before that again, so I would agree that 5900 is still some ways off!

5600/6700 both had exposed gear cables so the 5700/6700 was significantly different. There are no possible revisions to 5800/6800 that can bring them up to 9000 spec so I can't see anything major to qualify for the 5900/6900 title other than 12spd.

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