Marvel's Ant-Man

pixelburp · 09-06-2014 2:22pm

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Agreed on all points and I'd still very much prefer for Wright to be at the helm (largely due to the amount of time and heart he's put into it already, as well as the awesome test footage that he released a few years back). I guess what I meant to say was, bland director though Reed is so far, I reckon Marvel will get a good movie out of him anyway. I didn't think much of the Russos being announced to direct Cap2 and I was proved supremely wrong on that one. [...]

I enjoyed Cap2 more than I expected to, and the Russos acquitted themselves well to hash together an earthy thriller (having seen their work on Community, I knew they'd adapt to the big-screen without too much trouble, they have an eye for the cinematic), but in terms of actual directorial flourish or creativity, it had nothing going for it. The action scenes were well handled and coherent, beyond that the film could have been directed by Alan Smithee for all the difference it made to the end product's visual identity.

It's not so much about the ball-licking of Edgar Wright, more a continued suspicion that Marvel are jettisoning any individuals that might bring an ounce of creativity to projects, or worse! People who could attempt to deviate from the studio's much-vaunted & publicised Phases. Wright could have brought a unique voice to the Marvel franchise that showed the studio was willing to tinker with their formula a little. Hiring an unknown quantity and someone probably dismissed as a creative soft-touch - however fair or unfair that is - sends out the wrong signals. Marvel want to churn these films out and anyone with a unique vision need not apply.

McSasquatch II · 24-07-2014 1:50pm

The first official poster has been revealed at Comic Con.

pixelburp · 24-07-2014 2:08pm

I'm looking forward to a Marvel movie featuring a talking tree and gun-totting raccoon, yet the sight of a tiny guy riding an ant feels really silly. Double standards you say? Never heard of it :pac:

Corholio · 24-07-2014 7:35pm

Probably sounds silly, but does anyone feel cheated that they are flying ants and not just..........ants :pac:

phasers · 24-07-2014 7:43pm

The poster reminds me of an Animorphs book.

JP Liz V1 · 27-07-2014 9:49pm

Corey Stoll and Evangeline Lilly roles revealed at Comic-Con

Stoll will be the movie's major villain as Darren Cross, a former protégé of genius scientist Dr Hank Pym (Michael Douglas) who has since seized the elder's company.
Cross's jealousy of his mentor leads him to transform into Ant-Man's (Paul Rudd) nemesis Yellowjacket.
Lilly will be portraying Dr Pym's estranged daughter Hope Van Dyne

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a586671/ant-man-corey-stoll-evangeline-lilly-roles-revealed-at-comic-con.html#~oLfzcnf80fOqdI

Loughc · 28-07-2014 8:02am

Does anyone else think they missed a trick by not having a villain with a Von Trapp surname. That way he could transform into the supervillian the ant Trapp.

I'll get my coat....

TheGoldenAges · 28-07-2014 12:38pm

Does that mean Janet Van Dyne (The Wasp) won't be featured? Would have been awesome to see a flashback of that seminal moment in Comic book history where Hank Pym slaps Janet.

McSasquatch II · 28-07-2014 1:47pm

Think it's been recently confirmed that they're not going with the "domestic abuse" element.

Nervous Wreck · 28-07-2014 6:29pm

The comics weren't even supposed to go with the domestic abuse element. It was originally planned for a a skrull to be revealed to have been posing as Hank at the time of the slap but they changed writers before the reveal and the new writers just decided to leave it in to make Pym seem 'deep'.

buckybarnes · 28-07-2014 6:40pm

TheGoldenAges wrote: »

Does that mean Janet Van Dyne (The Wasp) won't be featured? Would have been awesome to see a flashback of that seminal moment in Comic book history where Hank Pym slaps Janet.

It seems like they're erasing Janet from the MCU, despite the fact that she was a founding Avenger, came up with the name for the team and was a huge help in defeating Ultron.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but I really don't see how Hank slapping the woman who was the reason he became a superhero and who helped him through numerous mental breakdowns would be in any way awesome. This franchise neglects female characters enough as it is, we really don't need see them being abused on screen.

McSasquatch II · 28-07-2014 8:23pm

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

The comics weren't even supposed to go with the domestic abuse element. It was originally planned for a a skrull to be revealed to have been posing as Hank at the time of the slap but they changed writers before the reveal and the new writers just decided to leave it in to make Pym seem 'deep'.

Another version of events was that it was initially intended to be an accidental slap from Hank making a "get off me" kinda gesture with his back turned to Janet, but I don't see how that can be accidentally drawn as the slap we know.

Anyway, let's be glad they're not going with the Ultimates version, where Hank attacks Jan with a can of Raid (as well as setting his ants on her)!

TheGoldenAges · 28-07-2014 10:50pm

buckybarnes wrote: »

It seems like they're erasing Janet from the MCU, despite the fact that she was a founding Avenger, came up with the name for the team and was a huge help in defeating Ultron.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but I really don't see how Hank slapping the woman who was the reason he became a superhero and who helped him through numerous mental breakdowns would be in any way awesome. This franchise neglects female characters enough as it is, we really don't need see them being abused on screen.

Fair enough if they don't show the slap, Marvel movies are for a PG-13 audience anyway but erasing her entirely is an awful decision.

FunLover18 · 29-07-2014 3:10am

buckybarnes wrote: »

It seems like they're erasing Janet from the MCU, despite the fact that she was a founding Avenger, came up with the name for the team and was a huge help in defeating Ultron.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but I really don't see how Hank slapping the woman who was the reason he became a superhero and who helped him through numerous mental breakdowns would be in any way awesome. This franchise neglects female characters enough as it is, we really don't need see them being abused on screen.

Depends on the context and how it's portrayed though. I'm not picking on you, just a general observation, but it's odd how everyone is gagging for a female superhero movie knowing that she will get her ass kicked at some point before winning the day, but having her get slapped in a domestic environment (I'm not familiar with the slap in question) is a no-no

Fysh · 29-07-2014 11:07am

FunLover18 wrote: »

Depends on the context and how it's portrayed though. I'm not picking on you, just a general observation, but it's odd how everyone is gagging for a female superhero movie knowing that she will get her ass kicked at some point before winning the day, but having her get slapped in a domestic environment (I'm not familiar with the slap in question) is a no-no

You can see the panel here.

As to why people differentiate the cases you mention, it's pretty easy:

One case would be an empowered woman deciding to actively fight against whoever the villain happens to be, while the other would be an on-screen representation of a woman being abused (in a fashion similar to that which is far too common even to this day), primarily so that we can then see what impact this has on the man who abuses her. It's essentially fridging Janet.

Agent Coulson · 19-08-2014 7:32pm

First look.

brianregan09 · 19-08-2014 7:58pm

Looks like breaking up with Phoebe has taken its toll.....

Seriously though i hope this is a hit, this is the one i feel is the biggest gamble so far

FunLover18 · 20-08-2014 6:08am

At first I thought those were eyebrow piercings.

Nervous Wreck · 20-08-2014 12:24pm

brianregan09 wrote: »

Looks like breaking up with Phoebe has taken its toll.....

Seriously though i hope this is a hit, this is the one i feel is the biggest gamble so far

Same. Guardians of the Galaxy could be as out there as it wanted and still get away with it, being a space adventure film. Grounding Ant-Man will be a tough job.

Tommy54 · 21-08-2014 12:50pm

It could be a make or break!

Agent Coulson · 21-08-2014 12:52pm

Tommy54 wrote: »

It could be a make or break!

In what ways?

ShagNastii · 21-08-2014 12:54pm

FunLover18 wrote: »

At first I thought those were eyebrow piercings.

They are scars. Am I right?

Nervous Wreck · 21-08-2014 1:09pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

In what ways?

If Ant-Man is a success, it will open the doors for Marvel to continue The Avengers as a franchise while allowing certain characters to bow out i.e. have The Avengers continue as a team but with a revolving door for members to come and go as the actors' contracts dictate. So they could cushion the blow of RDJ possibly bowing out by saying "Well, Iron Man has left The Avengers but look, now we've got Ant-Man and Dr. Strange!" etc..

If it fails, well, they can still use Ant-Man in upcoming team-up movies but the future of Ant-Man as a stand-alone franchise would probably go the same route as The Incredible Hulk. I don't think it would break the franchise by any means but it would certainly be the first dent in a long streak of success.

Agent Coulson · 21-08-2014 1:19pm

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

If Ant-Man is a success, it will open the doors for Marvel to continue The Avengers as a franchise while allowing certain characters to bow out i.e. have The Avengers continue as a team but with a revolving door for members to come and go as the actors' contracts dictate. So they could cushion the blow of RDJ possibly bowing out by saying "Well, Iron Man has left The Avengers but look, now we've got Ant-Man and Dr. Strange!" etc..

If it fails, well, they can still use Ant-Man in upcoming team-up movies but the future of Ant-Man as a stand-alone franchise would probably go the same route as The Incredible Hulk. I don't think it would break the franchise by any means but it would certainly be the first dent in a long streak of success.

I understand the make part for sure.

But the break part is a long stretch to be honest. It might not be as successful as other Marvel movies but it wont be a box office failure even Elektra and the Ghost Rider movies made money. Hell even Howard the Duck broke even way back in the day.

The only Marvel movie to lose money was Punisher: War Zone.

Nothing will stop the Marvel train now they can afford to take a hit or two with Disney behind them. By hit or two I mean having a film make a small profit Ant-man and Doctor Strange might just be those movies.

pixelburp · 21-08-2014 1:29pm

I think given the unquestioned success with Guardians of the Galaxy, it's hard to see how or where the Marvel train might derail. And given how well Guardians... went down with the average person who doesn't really care about films or comics, I don't think any future failure will be down to the concept alone: I said it myself in this very thread I thought the idea of Ant-Man was just too damn goofy - and in many ways I still do! - but then if a movie featuring a snarky talking space-raccoon and a walking tree can win hearts and minds, why not this?

Ultimately, myself, I think what will eventually kill the great Marvel project will be basic human fatigue: I don't believe people will keep flocking to these variations of the same template. There might be those who miss movie X in the chain, because they're not that pushed, then they'll miss movie Y in the chain, also because they're not that pushed and sure they didn't see X when it came out anyway, so they just won't bother.

Zubeneschamali · 21-08-2014 1:35pm

pixelburp wrote: »

There might be those who miss movie X in the chain, because they're not that pushed, then they'll miss movie Y in the chain, also because they're not that pushed and sure they didn't see X when it came out anyway, so they just won't bother.

I agree that people will get fed up and numbers will drop off, but the movies are not so tightly linked that you have to see all of them.

Even though Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, and Captain America had their own movies first, and Hawkeye, Coulson, Fury, Black Widow and Loki appeared in them, the box-office shows that many, many people saw and liked the Avengers who had not seen all of those run-up movies.

Tommy54 · 21-08-2014 2:07pm

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

If Ant-Man is a success, it will open the doors for Marvel to continue The Avengers as a franchise while allowing certain characters to bow out i.e. have The Avengers continue as a team but with a revolving door for members to come and go as the actors' contracts dictate. So they could cushion the blow of RDJ possibly bowing out by saying "Well, Iron Man has left The Avengers but look, now we've got Ant-Man and Dr. Strange!" etc..

If it fails, well, they can still use Ant-Man in upcoming team-up movies but the future of Ant-Man as a stand-alone franchise would probably go the same route as The Incredible Hulk. I don't think it would break the franchise by any means but it would certainly be the first dent in a long streak of success.

Exactly my thinking.

FunLover18 · 22-08-2014 1:53am

ShagNastii wrote: »

They are scars. Am I right?

Yeh seems to be band aids of some sort holding a cut together.

One thing about Ant-Man, I don't see anyway it could end with a giant airship crashing into a city ... although it could end with a "giant" cup of hot coffee falling into an ants nest

Agent Coulson · 22-08-2014 6:26pm

Hope.

Agent Coulson · 04-11-2014 6:33pm

Agent Carter

is going to feature in the movie..

spoiler link.

Marvel's Ant-Man

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