Comeback on tyres?

Armchair Andy · 05-10-2015 10:46pm #1

Put on 3 new tyres on a van last week. Today being a day of very heavy rain I just realised how bad they really are grip wise in the wet.
Spinning on take off, noisy at speed and not great under braking (stopping distance ) I suppose there's nothing I can do except drive on with them? Saved myself 30 euro on Savos but really disappointed with them. Dunno if I can post the brand name ...

Kenny Logins · 05-10-2015 10:49pm

I bet they asked you if you want the premium or mid-range tyres, and they gave you the sh!te. What brand?

blackbox · 05-10-2015 10:50pm

You could have a competition where everyone guesses the brand,

I'll guess TRIANGLE.

mickdw · 05-10-2015 10:51pm

Armchair Andy wrote: »

Put on 3 new tyres on a van last week. Today being a day of very heavy rain I just realised how bad they really are grip wise in the wet.
Spinning on take off, noisy at speed and not great under braking (stopping distance ) I suppose there's nothing I can do except drive on with them? Saved myself 30 euro on Savos but really disappointed with them. Dunno if I can post the brand name ...

Take them back. Tell them they are death traps and get a proper set.

Armchair Andy · 05-10-2015 10:56pm

Normally put on Michelins but times being as they are I said I'd venture south pricewise. Had forgotten how bad a crap tyre can be. They really are buckets of ****. Might give him a shout tomorrow. I won't say he pushed them on me as I said I wanted cheap.

Armchair Andy · 05-10-2015 10:59pm

blackbox wrote:

You could have a competition where everyone guesses the brand,

blackbox wrote:

I'll guess TRIANGLE.

Congrats you win absolutely nothing :-)

bazz26 · 05-10-2015 11:01pm

Normally when it comes to good tyres being penny wise usually ends up being pound foolish.

pablo128 · 05-10-2015 11:03pm

Accelera Alpha. The worst ditchfinders I ever had on a car. I've had bald tyres that gripped better than them in the wet.

I can't see you getting a refund or anything like it, but he might look after you on a new set. One other thing to note, new tyres generally need at least 200 miles on them to bed in. Had you much driving done on them beforehand?

corkgsxr · 05-10-2015 11:03pm

Iv long given up on cheap tires. I decide what i want and ring to find whos the cheapest.

Primastar van i love the Goodyears 140 a pop tho

Armchair Andy · 05-10-2015 11:06pm

bazz26 wrote:

Normally when it comes to good tyres being penny wise usually ends up being pound foolish.

Lesson learnt. Wouldn't mind but I'm usually anal about tyres. Have 18` Michelin Supersports on the missus yoke and they're brilliant. Stay well away from them, what was on the van were worn down to the marker but they were still better than what I bought.

Armchair Andy · 05-10-2015 11:09pm

pablo128 wrote:

I can't see you getting a refund or anything like it, but he might look after you on a new set. One other thing to note, new tyres generally need at least 200 miles on them to bed in. Had you much driving done on them beforehand?

Not more than 100km yet...

visual · 05-10-2015 11:34pm

Armchair Andy wrote: »

Not more than 100km yet...

Triangle don't bed in. Worse tyre you can have on wet road. The only bedding in will be you stuck in back of another car because you couldn't stop.

fancy pigeon · 05-10-2015 11:36pm

Great tyres for putting rings on a crossroads, but not much else....

Atlantic Dawn · 06-10-2015 1:02am

It's unbelievable the difference between cheap stuff and decent tyres, it really is night and day.

Voodoomelon · 06-10-2015 1:14am

I'd say if you offer to pay the difference to step up to a mid-range tyre, and for swapping them out, they should be reasonable enough.

Boskowski · 06-10-2015 8:20am

3 tyres, really? Cheapos, too?
False economy. Whatever about the safety aspect but you won't even save money with cheap tyres since you'll be replacing them way sooner.
Comeback, I wouldn't think so.

Armchair Andy · 02-11-2015 10:04pm

Sorry lads/lassies, forgot to update.

Went back and he basically said i was told what i was getting- a cheap tyre. There wasnt much he could do as they now had roadwear and he couldnt do anything for me. He was right in every sense, lesson learnt. Still rubber side down though:D

XR3i · 02-11-2015 10:05pm

take it easy on the corners and leave a lot of space to the car in front, be grand

quadrifoglio verde · 02-11-2015 10:12pm

XR3i wrote: »

take it easy on the corners and leave a lot of space to the car in front, be grand

Don't forget the spare bog roll :pac:

Armchair Andy · 02-11-2015 10:17pm

I suppose they're at their worst on the motorway in rain. Any surface water at all and you can actually feel the tyre slide on the water. Basically if its into any kind of a subtle bend with surface water above 80kmh, just grip tight and hope to christ.

quadrifoglio verde · 02-11-2015 10:23pm

Armchair Andy wrote: »

I suppose they're at their worst on the motorway in rain. Any surface water at all and you can actually feel the tyre slide on the water. Basically if its into any kind of a subtle bend with surface water above 80kmh, just grip tight and hope to christ.

To be honest, id be going to somewhere with a good name and getting something decent put on. No way would I be comfortable doing that day in day out, especially in the ****ty weather that we have to look forward to over the next few months.
Yes you'll take a hit on them, but put it down to a lesson well learnt.
Stick them up on adverts and get a few quid for them of some young lad looking to blacken a crossroad. All they're good for

mickdw · 02-11-2015 10:28pm

Tyre man could have done something for ya.
Could have offered you half back on them or something to swap them over for something better.

Armchair Andy · 02-11-2015 10:34pm

mickdw wrote: »

Tyre man could have done something for ya.
Could have offered you half back on them or something to swap them over for something better.

I'm a tradesman myself and do work for him occasionally so didnt want to push him on it. If I didnt know him from Adam Id have said a lot more tbh.

George Dalton · 02-11-2015 10:42pm

Armchair Andy wrote: »

I'm a tradesman myself and do work for him occasionally so didnt want to push him on it..

All the more reason why he should have looked after you IMO.

coupequattro · 02-11-2015 10:44pm

I recently put on cheap tyres on my VW T5, and have just been to Spain and back on them without a bother.... Are you sure it's the tyres that is the problem, and not suspension geometry or some other vehicle mechanical issue?

Armchair Andy · 02-11-2015 10:46pm

coupequattro wrote: »

I recently put on cheap tyres on my VW T5, and have just been to Spain and back on them without a bother.... Are you sure it's the tyres that is the problem, and not suspension geometry or some other vehicle mechanical issue?

Not according to VTN who tested it with the new tyres on. The old set never gave a bother.

quadrifoglio verde · 02-11-2015 10:47pm

coupequattro wrote: »

I recently put on cheap tyres on my VW T5, and have just been to Spain and back on them without a bother.... Are you sure it's the tyres that is the problem, and not suspension geometry or some other vehicle mechanical issue?

Slippery when wet?
Its the tyres. Your suspension doesn't become ****e in the rain, cheap tyres do

5W30 · 02-11-2015 10:53pm

I have Kendas on my car.

Absolute rubbish but still probably not the worst compared to some of the other brands.

coupequattro · 02-11-2015 10:58pm

Usually cheaper tyres use older tread patterns (often the tooling is sold on to cheaper companies), so they are never going to be quite as good as "brand name" items, but on a van that's not normally a problem, as they're heavy enough to keep the tyre in contact with the road, even in heavy rain.
I'm not seeing any issues with handling on these tyres, in the dry or the wet... €80 a tyre, fitted.....

Hachiko · 02-11-2015 11:36pm

blackbox wrote: »

You could have a competition where everyone guesses the brand,

I'll guess TRIANGLE.

Triangle Primo Max for me.

Mervyn Skidmore · 02-11-2015 11:47pm

I've had all sorts of tyres on cars in the past, good tyres and crap tyres. Currently have crap tyres on my own car as it was all I could afford at the time. Still have never found myself in a ditch. Obviously the cheaper tyres grip is nowhere near as good as the better brand but they are probably acceptable as long as people are driving safely and maintaining a proper distance from the car in front and driving to the conditions. There's a lot of hyperbole when talking about crap tyres.

RandomAccess · 03-11-2015 12:04am

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

I've had all sorts of tyres on cars in the past, good tyres and crap tyres. Currently have crap tyres on my own car as it was all I could afford at the time. Still have never found myself in a ditch. Obviously the cheaper tyres grip is nowhere near as good as the better brand but they are probably acceptable as long as people are driving safely and maintaining a proper distance from the car in front and driving to the conditions. There's a lot of hyperbole when talking about crap tyres.

Username checks out..

bazz26 · 03-11-2015 12:06am

Generally the only time you find out how good or bad your tyres actually are is when you need them the most.

03-11-2015 12:13am

Boskowski wrote: »

3 tyres, really? Cheapos, too?
False economy. Whatever about the safety aspect but you won't even save money with cheap tyres since you'll be replacing them way sooner.
Comeback, I wouldn't think so.

You will actually find the opposite. Cheap tyres will often last much longer than expensive ones as better grip means more wear.

I'm not defending cheap tyres, just pointing it out.

RandomAccess · 03-11-2015 12:33am

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

... they are probably acceptable as long as people are driving safely and maintaining a proper distance from the car in front and driving to the conditions.

Go look at the dashcam thread, not the Russian ones either.

Stheno · 03-11-2015 12:37am

Armchair Andy wrote: »

I suppose they're at their worst on the motorway in rain. Any surface water at all and you can actually feel the tyre slide on the water. Basically if its into any kind of a subtle bend with surface water above 80kmh, just grip tight and hope to christ.

Do you really feel safe driving with tyres that perform like that?

Special Circumstances · 03-11-2015 9:31am

5W30 wrote: »

I have Kendas on my car.

Absolute rubbish but still probably not the worst compared to some of the other brands.

They make decent push bike tyres to be fair. They know something about compounds/grip/handling. Some others are just "cheap round black" what else can there be to it? Maxxis are another brand I first came across on mountain bikes, haven't heard much about them on cars though, kenda seem better anecdotally at least.

Saw an article on continental black chilli compound being used on cars now, compound of the same name has been used in extra grippy bike tyres for a while now.

dr.fuzzenstein · 03-11-2015 9:50am

Armchair Andy wrote: »

Put on 3 new tyres on a van last week. Today being a day of very heavy rain I just realised how bad they really are grip wise in the wet.
Spinning on take off, noisy at speed and not great under braking (stopping distance ) I suppose there's nothing I can do except drive on with them? Saved myself 30 euro on Savos but really disappointed with them. Dunno if I can post the brand name ...

Why 3? Is it this van?

:pac:

cormie · 03-11-2015 10:00am

Could the fact you've 3 on be causing some imbalance? I've always heard to always go for the same tyre on each axle and if you're replacing one, replace the other too.

coupequattro · 03-11-2015 10:25am

Another factor might be the type of rubber compound used in the tyre. For example, if they are tyres that are normally sold for use in hot climates (middle east etc), then the cold weather performance will be very poor, ditto for wet, as that will cool the tyres right down too.....

Might be worth checking the markings on the sidewall of the tyre and googling what you find....

Here's a review of the tyres in question....... Which apparantly are a Summer tyre, so maybe not for winter use....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1HEzN__HUw

Also, apparantly they are directional, so make sure that they are fitted to the correct side of the vehicle.......

VeVeX · 03-11-2015 10:59am

coupequattro wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1HEzN__HUw

Lord of the Rings is based on a truer story than that review. Those Accerera Alpha's are absolute garbage.

coupequattro wrote: »

Here's a review of the tyres in question....... Which apparantly are a Summer tyre, so maybe not for winter use....

Besides the fact we're having summer like temperatures at the moment, Summer tyres are perfectly acceptable for all year round use in Ireland. We get a lot more rain than snow or ice. Summer tyres handle better and perform better in wet conditions.

Special Circumstances · 03-11-2015 11:08am

VeVeX wrote: »

Lord of the Rings is based on a truer story than that review. Those Accerera Alpha's are absolute garbage.

They really are awful. Not fit for use above 50kph on Irish roads in Irish weather. That's being generous - I had a "moment" at lower speeds than that braking gently on road markings before a railway crossing.

Absolute garbage as you say.
Not a single word of that review is close to true, apart from stating that they are directional. Not even little fibs, out and out whoppers of lies in that video.
I can now disregard any "official" line from Oponeo - they obviously have no shame.

coupequattro · 03-11-2015 11:41am

VeVeX wrote: »

Besides the fact we're having summer like temperatures at the moment, Summer tyres are perfectly acceptable for all year round use in Ireland. We get a lot more rain than snow or ice. Summer tyres handle better and perform better in wet conditions.

Errrrr.... no...... Thats not true. Tyres made for higher temperatures are generally very poor in the cold. And wet conditions are kinda like being in the cold, they chill the tyre right down.

You're best with a summer tyre for summer, and a winter tyre for winter. The rubber compounds should be mixed accordingly to give you a suitable compromise of grip versus wear....
If you live in a warmer area of the country, then an all-season tyre is another option for all year use.

To the original poster, if you feel that the tyres are really that bad, then they should be removed and binned. Regardless of cost.

VeVeX · 03-11-2015 1:07pm

coupequattro wrote: »

Errrrr.... no...... Thats not true. Tyres made for higher temperatures are generally very poor in the cold. And wet conditions are kinda like being in the cold, they chill the tyre right down.

You're best with a summer tyre for summer, and a winter tyre for winter. The rubber compounds should be mixed accordingly to give you a suitable compromise of grip versus wear....
If you live in a warmer area of the country, then an all-season tyre is another option for all year use.

To the original poster, if you feel that the tyres are really that bad, then they should be removed and binned. Regardless of cost.

Tyres made for higher temperatures do not perform very poorly in the cold. Their performance may be impaired slightly by the cold but in normal conditions with a good quality tyre there is very little discernible difference in wet weather handling. When it gets really cold your not dealing with water your dealing with ice, at this point a tyre that's designed for cold weather will obviously perform better.

So yes in an ideal world you would have summer and winter tyres but as a rule in Ireland with our temperate climate for the majority of the year Summer tyres are better than winter tyres even in winter months.

coupequattro · 03-11-2015 2:08pm

VeVeX wrote: »

Tyres made for higher temperatures do not perform very poorly in the cold. Their performance may be impaired slightly by the cold but in normal conditions with a good quality tyre there is very little discernible difference in wet weather handling. When it gets really cold your not dealing with water your dealing with ice, at this point a tyre that's designed for cold weather will obviously perform better.

There is plenty of imformation out on the web regarding tyres....

In general, summer tyres are for a minimum of 7 degrees C and up, and are designed for drier, warmer conditions.

Winter tyres are for temperatures below a maximum of 7 degrees C. They are designed to give better grip in wet, snowy and icy conditions.

All season tyres basically bridge and overlap the gap, they are suitable for summer and winter, provided it doesn't get really hot or really cold.....

Note that if you use summer tyres through winter and wet conditions, you'll get great tyre life, but the grip will be poor....

Also note that if you use winter tyres through the summer, the grip will get poor when the temperatures get high, and the tyre wear will be rapid.....

In addition to the design of the grooves on the tread, Summer/ All-Season / Winter tyres have different rubber compounds which will vastly affect grip / wear according to temperature.

Look it up on the web, plenty of info out there......

Supergurrier · 03-11-2015 2:20pm

When I bought the S60 it had 4 new (less than 20% worn) triangles on it.

Drove it home on M18 in the pouring rain. Car literally twitched around when overtaking sedately. Straight away ordered myself some uniroyal rainsport 3's.

Tyres were great but car turned out to be a donkey

VeVeX · 03-11-2015 4:08pm

coupequattro wrote: »

There is plenty of imformation out on the web regarding tyres....

In general, summer tyres are for a minimum of 7 degrees C and up, and are designed for drier, warmer conditions.

Winter tyres are for temperatures below a maximum of 7 degrees C. They are designed to give better grip in wet, snowy and icy conditions.

All season tyres basically bridge and overlap the gap, they are suitable for summer and winter, provided it doesn't get really hot or really cold.....

Note that if you use summer tyres through winter and wet conditions, you'll get great tyre life, but the grip will be poor....

Also note that if you use winter tyres through the summer, the grip will get poor when the temperatures get high, and the tyre wear will be rapid.....

In addition to the design of the grooves on the tread, Summer/ All-Season / Winter tyres have different rubber compounds which will vastly affect grip / wear according to temperature.

Look it up on the web, plenty of info out there......

You need to go back to the web site where your getting your information and tell them they're wrong.

Summer tyres are not for drier conditions they are primarily designed for water dissipation and wet weather handling.

Only up until recently with the introduction of the EU labels have manufacturers focused on improving the wet weather capabilities or winter tyres. Up to that point they were vastly inferior to a summer tyre in the wet. Their primary purpose and the major consideration in their thread design is gripping in snow and ice whilst also having self cleaning properties. If you think about it they are developed for countries where snow and ice is a permanent fixture during winter month so rain is not really a consideration.

The imaginary 7 degree line that is spoken about isn't a cliff where at that point a summer tyres grip level suddenly becomes very poor as you've said. The drop off is a liner one and only very marginally affects the performance of the tyre as the temperature gets colder.

Kenny Logins · 03-11-2015 4:21pm

VeVeX wrote: »

You need to go back to the web site where your getting your information and tell them they're wrong.

Summer tyres are not for drier conditions they are primarily designed for water dissipation and wet weather handling.

Only up until recently with the introduction of the EU labels have manufacturers focused on improving the wet weather capabilities or winter tyres. Up to that point they were vastly inferior to a summer tyre in the wet. Their primary purpose and the major consideration in their thread design is gripping in snow and ice whilst also having self cleaning properties. If you think about it they are developed for countries where snow and ice is a permanent fixture during winter month so rain is not really a consideration.

The imaginary 7 degree line that is spoken about isn't a cliff where at that point a summer tyres grip level suddenly becomes very poor as you've said. The drop off is a liner one and only very marginally affects the performance of the tyre as the temperature gets colder.

Here? http://www.goodyear.eu/ie_en/all-about-tires/seasonal-tires/why-summer-tires/

VeVeX · 03-11-2015 4:42pm

Kenny Logins wrote: »

Here? http://www.goodyear.eu/ie_en/all-about-tires/seasonal-tires/why-summer-tires/

I don't know whether you're confirming or calling me on my comments?

Summer tyres - ideally used when temperatures are above 7 degrees
Winter tyres - ideally used when temperatures are below 7 degrees

Summer tyres - designed for warm roads and wet and dry conditions
Winter tyres - designed for cold roads and snow and ice conditions

Kenny Logins · 03-11-2015 4:52pm

VeVeX wrote: »

I don't know whether you're confirming or calling me on my comments?

I'm not sure myself TBH. :pac:

coupequattro · 03-11-2015 4:55pm

Kenny Logins wrote: »

I'm not sure myself TBH. :pac:

I think we all know where you're heading with that one.....

Next time we have torrential rain during the winter, I must remember to go and fit my summer tyres........

Comeback on tyres?

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