Re: PS Vita... Is it trolling if...

Oafley Jones · 31-12-2011 11:20am

No interest in getting one but I do love the look of the machine, that bubble UI however looks completely amateur.

krudler · 31-12-2011 2:00pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I can't really get excited over some of the Vita games. As the PSP proved games that work on console don't necessarily work on a handheld system. It's a big reason the DS took off since it offered experiences that work as a handheld game and you couldn't find on the consoles. I think the PS Vita going for a console like gaming experience on the move is sony making the same mistake twice.

thats it really, I bought a psp not long after launch and it wound up gathering dust as I had the "proper" versions of games on my ps2. a new uncharted game you can play while travelling, yay, but given the choice I'd rather play it on a big tv in surround sound than on a handheld.

CiDeRmAn · 31-12-2011 6:25pm

From previous years of early adopting I can honestly say little is achieved but bragging rights when you buy on launch.
Little is lost by waiting just 4 to 6 month or so, it's not like the Vita, however magnificent it turns out to be, is going to sell out in the current economic climate.
By waiting for, say, August or September you'll have more games to choose from, probably some preowned stuff at that.
The console and memory cards may well be cheaper.
Buggy firmware should, should, have the kinks worked out as well.

So, despite my yearnings for some new hardware, I can wait for a while.

I'll pick up a replacement PS3 and an early firmware Wii to play with in the meantime.

cherryghost · 19-01-2012 11:58am

Le Bump. Vita still falling like a lead balloon in Japan.

Over the course of four weeks, the number of sold PlayStation Vita units in Japan has dropped from nearly 325K to just over 18K. Sign of the times?
ZoomMedia Create reports that Sony saw only 18,361 units sold in Japan during the week of January 9 to January 15, its fourth week on the market. By comparison, the cheaper Nintendo 3DS dropped somewhat after the holiday rush as well, but not down to Vita levels, pushing a decent 100,668 units out to paying customers.
The PlayStation Vita seemed to launch with a bang in Japan [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]back[/COLOR][/COLOR] in December, with 321,400 units sold in just two days right before Christmas. Eventually for the first week, Sony sold a total of 324,859 units, and the handheld console seemed to be a hit.
But the second week proved otherwise, with the number of units sold dropping down to just 72,479. The third week saw another drastic drop with only 42,648 units flying off store shelves. Now the handheld is barely moving at all in Japan, yet still topping the likes of Nintendo's Wii console, the [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]Xbox [COLOR=blue !important]360[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR], and the two DSi models.
Strangely enough, the original PSP is still selling well, moving 62,746 units last week and 22,538 this week. On the Nintendo front, the company still rules the [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]Japanese[/COLOR][/COLOR] market, shelling out 197,952 3DS units last week and 100,668 units this week. The PlayStation 3 is the second-most favorite gaming platform, selling 67,199 units last week and 30,332 this week.
What may be hurting the PlayStation Vita is its steep pricetag -- a lesson Nintendo learned with its own 3DS handheld in 2011. As of this writing, Sony still plans to keep the Vita's original pricing, requiring $249.99 USD for the Wi-Fi model and $299.99 USD for the 3G/Wi-Fi model. Both will arrive in the States on February 22.

Source here. So.... just over a month to the US release, do you think this is indications that a price drop is in order? Or are they going to keep the prices rolling as it is?

ShadowHearth · 19-01-2012 12:40pm

from all this one thing made me really go WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW - PSP sales figures!

werent ps3 sales very bad when it was launched as it was for idiotic money? then it got second wind good few months after launch?

super_furry · 19-01-2012 10:27pm

I remain to be convinced. I think it's overpriced - no handheld should cost the same as a 'proper' console, regardless of the the technology. I think the games are overpriced and I'm annoyed by the fact that I have to buy their new proprietary memory cards again at a massively inflated price.

To buy even the standard Wifi Vita with say, two games and a memory card, you're going to be looking at the guts of €350.

ShadowHearth · 19-01-2012 10:45pm

On what kind of format are games on? Some new type umd? Or some sort of cards like ds?

CiDeRmAn · 20-01-2012 1:04pm

o1s1n wrote: »

The PSP go was just a wittled down, UMDless version of the PSP released ages after anyone cared about the PSP.

The Vita is brand new hardware and at the cutting edge of handheld gaming technology.

So no would be the answer.

But the PSP itself was the full fat, complete version of the tech and it lost big time to inferior hardware.

So, imho, the PSP Vita is doomed.

No sense in being uncertain about these things, I say take a stand, a position and commit!

Oh, it's still tanking in Japan...

http://www.qj.net/ps-vita/news/vita-sales-still-tumbling.html

And, for the record, just because someone plays something and likes/loves it does not mean the device will be a massive success...
I love my 3DO, my Neo Geo Pocket and my Virtual Boy....

johnny_ultimate · 20-01-2012 1:11pm

Just wait until they announce Monster Hunter 4G on it. Japanese sales are almost entirely irrelevant until then. The inevitable price drop should do wonders too.

super_furry · 20-01-2012 1:13pm

Yeah but everything pretty much ever, lost big time to the DS. By any yardstick the PSP was a massive success, selling more than 70 million units (still more than the Xbox 360 or PS3).

Retr0gamer · 20-01-2012 1:18pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Just wait until they announce Monster Hunter 4G on it. Japanese sales are almost entirely irrelevant until then. The inevitable price drop should do wonders too.

I've a feeling Nintendo are going to get Monster Hunter first.

Otacon · 20-01-2012 1:22pm

I personally think there is one big reason why the PS Vita is not selling well in Japan: there are no games out for it that the Japanese audience wants.

The games available are very Western-focused. Sony should have released it in NA first.

johnny_ultimate · 20-01-2012 1:45pm

Well, if Nintendo does get the next true Monster Hunter, then it'll be a far better time to start composing the Vita obituary. The Japanese market is a very eccentric place, after all - what causes popularity over there is wildly different to over here. The games that sell consoles over there - MH, Dragon Quest, visual novels etc... - sit on shelves here. Personally, I think until more Japanese-centric software is released, whatever it may be, it's hard to call it a failure when it has just launched.

Games consoles are no longer defined by their sales in the first month. Look at the 3DS - how many people on here wrote the console off earlier this year after a few months of inactivity? Then suddenly a huge influx of big names and even bigger sales.

Not denying the possibilities that the Vita will be a commercial failure. But perhaps we should step back and look at its successes and failures as a piece of hardware before we call it dead in the water. Is the Neo Geo Pocket a failure because of its low sales? Anyone who's played it would probably disagree. If, a year hence, the Vita is still completely devoid of engaging software and hemorrhaging sales, then perhaps it can be considered a failure. As it stands, few of us have even played the darn thing, and it's only launched in one territory. Sony have and always will make mistake - but they'll always have the money to try and rectify them, too.

Retr0gamer · 20-01-2012 1:47pm

Yep, way too early to tell at this stage. Even if nintendo gets Monster Hunter first I'm pretty sure there's a few companies out there working on a monster hunter clone to beat it to the punch since it's all japanese comapnies seem to be making these days and ruining franchises by turning them into monster hunter clones.

ShadowHearth · 20-01-2012 1:52pm

By comparison, the Nintendo 3DS had sold 742,244 units in its first few weeks of launch, with the Vita moving 458,347 over the same time period. That means Vita sales are about 300,000 units behind the 3DS, a device that received a prompt price drop due to low numbers. Does this mean a price drop is on the horizon for Vita? Maybe, maybe not.

sorry, but its not that bad...

lets remember that 3ds consoles sold, but software was just not there. yes maybe VITA has lower sales, but they are not so horrible! Its sony, they turned around ps3, they will turn around this too, i have no doubts. ( *just hopes no one will remember psp go fluke

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the way some people ilustrating it, that there were sold 7 PS VITA's world wide...

i think its too much drama and its being burried way to early, when 3ds came out everyone were banging their shovels and wanted to see nintendo fail! Now 3ds is back on track with some really great titles.

very good point mentioned here: there are no games that JAP market likes. As soon as it will get those proper "only in japan..." titles PS vita will sell.

remember that DS is very popular here, but in JAP PSP is the king. Even now ps VITA launch titles and upcoming titles are more focused on western market?

*i am not being racist lol.

Syferus · 20-01-2012 2:00pm

Nintendo's deal with Capcom was for Monster Hunter 3G and another Monster Hunter game.

At best Sony can hope for a concurrent release of the next Monster Hunter game but the days of the Sony handheld being the lead platform - especially seeing Vita's anemic sales numbers and likely rocky road to a large install base.

Capcom have exhibited strange exclusivity sensibilities before - Resident Evil and GameCube - but even they can't afford to do likewise with their only true cash cow.

The reason Monster Hunter matters far more than any clone is because it drives Japanese development to the point that simply knowing the Vita had an exclusive Monster Hunter would make many Japanese publishers green-light new Vita projects. It effects us hugely, if indirectly.

cherryghost · 20-01-2012 2:03pm

I'm telling ya, FFVII and they'll be laughing their way to the bank!

Shiminay · 20-01-2012 2:17pm

I've had a go on a Vita. Specifically, I had a go at FIFA 12 on the Vita and it was unquestionably the best version of FIFA I've ever played (and I've played most of them at some stage). I'm not a huge fan of the FIFA series, but if I owned a Vita, I'd buy FIFA for it

Why? The touch screen to pass/shoot feature completely changed how the game works for me.

It's the first hand held in a long time that's piqued my interest, but I don't see myself splashing for one. I have an Android phone and am looking at getting a small tablet for reading books and comics and they now fill the "gap" in my time that would previously allowed for a dedicated portable gaming system.

In many ways it's a pity because it's a very impressive piece of hardware. The graphical quality was absolutely top notch (more or less on par with current gen stuff) and the fact that it can HDMI out to your telly and double up as a home console of sorts is something that should be explored a bit more.

Retr0gamer · 20-01-2012 2:32pm

Enderman wrote: »

I'm telling ya, FFVII and they'll be laughing their way to the bank!

With the way Final Fantasy has fallen out of favour recently and how FFX is the new japanese favourite it won't make any difference.

cloud493 · 21-01-2012 1:47pm

PS Vita isn't out of the race yet, annoys me how the gaming community always does this, they were saying the same thing about the 3DS after its launch, now they're singing its praises. I'd imagine the vita would have a much more better launch in the west with the available games obviously, but better games are coming. We haven't seen E3 yet, I'm sure they have some stuff right up their sleeve. And it truly is some impressive hardware. Remains to be seen how it measures up to the 3DS, but its not even out here yet. Bit early to saying 'its doomed' (not that you guys said that exactly, general internet reaction)

WolfForager · 21-01-2012 5:09pm

The current success of the 3DS proves that their still is a market for dedicated gaming handhelds. All this DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEDDDD lark is ridiculous.

jaykhunter · 21-01-2012 8:59pm

I hope the vita can provide a unique great gaming experience not found elsewhere. Portable versions of console games probably won't cut it in 2012. Best of luck to em. Looking forward to a price cut and some games I need to play...

ShadowHearth · 21-01-2012 9:23pm

in all fairness if it will be able to provide same quality games as home console, then i am so buying it.

i love to play 3ds in bed, while misses watching telly. ofc i cant play consoles before bed as she is watching her crap... so if i will be able to have a console in my hands... well then its awesome!

i know it defeats the purpose of being handheld an play on the go, but in my case its perfect. in fact i am so buying that new resident evil game for 3DS, but my 3ds havent been outside home even once since launch...

one thing for sure: i am not buying it on launch day same way i did not bought my 3ds.

cloud493 · 22-01-2012 8:24pm

Vita has coming

Killzone
Resistance
Final fantasy X(favorite final fantasy)
Zone of the enders collection
Bioshock
Assassins creed
Call of duty
Little big planet
Metal gear collection
Motorstorm

And for the launch, we've got

Uncharted, wipeout, lumines, ninja gaiden, rayman, super stardust. So yeah. Not worried.

ShadowHearth · 22-01-2012 8:30pm

i sow bioshock on list allright and got a wee bit surprised.

unfortunately there are no games i want from launch list

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still i will be looking in to VITA, anyone know for what price they will go at gamestops? i might aswell trade in my xbox 360, i am getting games for ps3 instead if i decide to play on console due to free online.

cloud493 · 22-01-2012 8:33pm

You'll be looking at 250 for a base wifi console, 50 extra for the 3G. I'd say games should be going for around 40, and a memory card.

ShadowHearth · 22-01-2012 10:25pm

cloud493 wrote: »

You'll be looking at 250 for a base wifi console, 50 extra for the 3G. I'd say games should be going for around 40, and a memory card.

i wonder if memory card is included... even if small one.

cloud493 · 22-01-2012 10:32pm

Nope. Some games won't need memory cards, but a few, including Uncharted, will. And they'll be needed for PSN games.

WolfForager · 22-01-2012 10:42pm

The PS Vita memory card has to be the greatest/worst scam Sony have ever pulled.

cloud493 · 22-01-2012 10:56pm

Having to get them memory sticks for the PSP was a pain the arse

I'm just gonna get a small one, for game data only.

ShadowHearth · 22-01-2012 10:56pm

Will games on vita work like ds games? You have save games on cartridges themselfs?

And then some games have to have that memory card.

So I guess 250eu for console + 30eu for card + 45eu for 1 game... I might not get one on launch so...

cloud493 · 22-01-2012 11:03pm

Well the bundles are along the lines of console + memory + game for 300, so :pac:

Plus, each store has advantages and disadvantages to trading in. Gamestop does 25% extra trade in value, when preordering something.

amacachi · 22-01-2012 11:07pm

cloud493 wrote: »

Well the bundles are along the lines of console + memory + card for 300, so :pac:

Plus, each store has advantages and disadvantages to trading in. Gamestop does 25% extra trade in value, when preordering something.

A memory and a card!? That's a bargain if I ever saw one!

ShadowHearth · 22-01-2012 11:07pm

Hmmmm I am Seriuosly thinking of trading in my slim xbox. I will keep the games as I got phat on in the box if I will get an urge to play some ( doubt ).

Will need to find out much would I get for it. Ps vita will be used way more often then Xbox.

cloud493 · 22-01-2012 11:13pm

Game* What gb is the console(xbox slim)? I can give you a fairly accurate estimate.

ShadowHearth · 22-01-2012 11:28pm

It's 250gb, I did not knew there are different size slims.

cloud493 · 22-01-2012 11:31pm

Yeah there's 4gb as well :P you'll get 160 - 170. 25% extra on that is 40 quid, so 200.

Nollog · 23-01-2012 1:15am

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Will games on vita work like ds games? You have save games on cartridges themselfs?

And then some games have to have that memory card.

So I guess 250eu for console + 30eu for card + 45eu for 1 game... I might not get one on launch so...

Q: What kind of game medium will PS Vita support? What is the official name? Why did you decide to introduce it?
A: It is a small flash memory based card, dedicated for PS Vita. Taking advantage of the flash memory feature, this innovative card can store add-on game content or the game save directly on the card. By adopting flash memory based card, SCE will be able to provide game cards with higher capacity in the future, allowing developers to store more game data to deliver rich, immersive games. We will announce the official name at a later date.

Q: What are the features of the new game medium / storage media?
A:
New game medium
It can not only store the full software titles but also save data as well as additional game content data. Therefore, the game title can be concluded with one piece of card.
Users can play games by just inserting the game medium into PS Vita. (a separate storage media is not required.)
As for storage media, we will announce details at a later date.

It might be worth buying a large memory card as Sony has said recently that they will be discounting games sold online compared with the same games sold at retail.

ShadowHearth · 23-01-2012 7:46am

cloud493 wrote: »

Yeah there's 4gb as well :P you'll get 160 - 170. 25% extra on that is 40 quid, so 200.

200 quid?! Seriously? That would be great. I will get to my GameStop just to find out for sure. Chesrs

ShadowHearth · 23-01-2012 7:47am

/\/ollog wrote: »

It might be worth buying a large memory card as Sony has said recently that they will be discounting games sold online compared with the same games sold at retail.

Damn, and game or GameStop are not bitching and threatening Sony for this?!

I know steam is getting alot of kick in the teeth for lower prices them shops ones on release.

Fnz · 23-01-2012 8:13am

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I know steam is getting alot of kick in the teeth for lower prices them shops ones on release.

PC titles are more expensive on Steam at release.

ShadowHearth · 23-01-2012 10:42am

Fnz wrote: »

PC titles are more expensive on Steam at release.

Thats what I said. Steam is not allowed to give better prices then brick and mortar shops as gamestops threatened developers to not to stock theyr games in shops.

I presume Sony is too big for GameStop to say: feck off.

Myrddin · 23-01-2012 10:42am

Hopefully 3rd party Vita memory card to microSD adaptors won't be too far behind. They're asking for it at those prices

Edit - similar to the PSP Pro Duo ones

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DARK-KNIGHT · 23-01-2012 11:50am

Was talking to assistant manager in GameStop newbridge yesterday and she seen the vita and played it and she thought it was amazing really really amazing were her words

Fnz · 23-01-2012 12:28pm

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Thats what I said. Steam is not allowed to give better prices then brick and mortar shops as gamestops threatened developers to not to stock theyr games in shops.

Oh? Found your sentence difficult to decipher.

ShadowHearth wrote:

I know steam is getting alot of kick in the teeth for lower prices them shops ones on release.

Thought you were saying something along the lines of:

"I know Steam is (in trouble?) for selling games at a lower price, than retail, on release".

Apple will probably become an even bigger force, in gaming, as a result of the competition being forced to keep price parity between physical and downloadable products. Apple likely keeping things 'all-download' when they integrate gaming into more of their products - such as Apple TV.

ShadowHearth · 23-01-2012 12:33pm

Fnz wrote: »

Oh? Found your sentence difficult to decipher.

Thought you were saying something along the lines of:

"I know Steam is (in trouble?) for selling games at a lower price, than retail, on release".

Apple will probably become an even bigger force, in gaming, as a result of the competition being forced to keep price parity between physical and downloadable products. Apple likely keeping things 'all-download' when they integrate gaming into more of their products - such as Apple TV.

sorry, sometimes i can type something really hard to understand

plus early morning!

ShadowHearth · 23-01-2012 1:44pm

i just checked some videos online on PS vita and discovered one thing:

you can play all ps3 games on VITA with remote play. thats it, its sold for me.

it will mean i will be able to fire up ps3 and play on vita games like dark souls while misses watches her crap TV!

if that fuction will work as sony says: "all ps3 titles will work on remote play", then i am not even bothered with launch titles, in fact i dont even need them.

rickyjb · 23-01-2012 4:15pm

ShadowHearth wrote: »

i just checked some videos online on PS vita and discovered one thing:

you can play all ps3 games on VITA with remote play. thats it, its sold for me.

it will mean i will be able to fire up ps3 and play on vita games like dark souls while misses watches her crap TV!

if that fuction will work as sony says: "all ps3 titles will work on remote play", then i am not even bothered with launch titles, in fact i dont even need them.

Would a new portable TV not be cheaper??:)

ShadowHearth · 23-01-2012 4:23pm

rickyjb wrote: »

Would a new portable TV not be cheaper??:)

cheaper, maybe. comfortable? dont think so.

this would be one of the reasons i dont play my consoles, because on weekend and after 18:00 TV is JAMMED, by ****y "chef" shows, and then "biggest losser" bull****... aka - lets make them fat, then laugh at them while they jogging!

i even watch netflix mythbusters on my iphone in bed, while she watches telly. if i can play vita games, ps3 games, netflix, internet on one device... **** why not!

just talked to misses about it on phone

. she did a mistake to call me on her break. i told her that i want to get it and she just went: *sigh* :rolleyes: again?

what can i say, i am a gadget whore

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DARK-KNIGHT · 24-01-2012 3:42am

This could push me towards selling my Xbox and getting a ps3 now!!

Absolute genius you can play your ps3 games through your vita????

All I'll say is WOW

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