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Mellor · 15-12-2014 2:43pm

Nicolas Cage wrote: »

Can't remember exactly, but I read somewhere that Murilo Bustamante is to blame for instilling that sort of mentality in his students after the Matt Lindland fake tap. Still doesn't excuse anything though.

I heard that too, but it's speculation really. Nobody else at at BTT does it, afaik.

And after Palhares was cut, Bustamante came out and said he hurt guys a lot in training too. And said that it was part of the reason that they parted ways.
Although, maybe he was annoyed that Palhares left.

The truth is probably in the middle somewhere.

Lenin Skynard · 16-12-2014 12:24am

The straw weight rankings have been released. Looks like a pretty fair reflection on the state of things. Daly in at #9.

Champion : Carla Esparza
1 Joanna Jedrzejczyk *NR
2 Claudia Gadelha *NR
3 Jessica Penne *NR
4 Rose Namajunas *NR
5 Tecia Torres *NR
6 Joanne Calderwood *NR
7 Randa Markos *NR
8 Felice Herrig *NR
9 Aisling Daly *NR
10 Heather Clark *NR
11 Paige VanZant *NR
12 Juliana Lima *NR
13 Angela Hill *NR
14 Bec Rawlings *NR
15 Seohee Ham *NR

Mellor · 16-12-2014 12:57am

That's fair imo. Although, Randa beat Tecia in the house, and lost a close fight to Rose.
It nicely sets up Ais vrs Felice/Heather.

Mr. CooL ICE · 16-12-2014 4:07pm

Just realised Josh Burkman is back in the UFC. I thought he would get the call after the Fitch sub. Shame that Lombard is probably going to wreck him though

DrPhilG · 16-12-2014 9:11pm

Surprised there isn't more talk about the pending class action suit against the UFC.

Claims are that it is a potential "game changer" and that the people backing the suit have deep pockets.

Probably will end up a load of guff and the big announcement on Thursday will consist of Tito Ortiz in a mask and Frank Shamrock jumping out from under the table...

But could be very interesting if it has any substance. Any possibility that Viacom are the deep pocketed backers???

ASOT · 16-12-2014 9:35pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

Surprised there isn't more talk about the pending class action suit against the UFC.

Claims are that it is a potential "game changer" and that the people backing the suit have deep pockets.

Probably will end up a load of guff and the big announcement on Thursday will consist of Tito Ortiz in a mask and Frank Shamrock jumping out from under the table...

But could be very interesting if it has any substance. Any possibility that Viacom are the deep pocketed backers???

Yeah i posted it a few days ago and nobody seemed interested :pac: Apparently theres some big names going to sign it!!

Theres a press conference in 20 minutes apparently - http://mmajunkie.com/2014/12/press-conference-scheduled-to-announce-class-action-lawsuit-against-ufc

EDIT - Live Updates - http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/12/16/7403935/live-updates-from-press-conference-for-class-action-lawsuit-against

ASOT · 16-12-2014 10:06pm

Le, Fitch & Quarry are the first three names named on the lawsuit.

DrPhilG · 16-12-2014 10:06pm

Cung Le, Jon Fitch and Nate Quarry the names involved.

ASOT · 16-12-2014 10:07pm

Reading this **** will 100% go down.

While Le, Fitch and Quarry are the named plaintiffs, the class-action would be open to "All persons who competed in one or more live professional UFC-promoted MMA bouts taking place or broadcast in the United States during the Class Period. The Bout Class excludes all persons who are not residents or citizens of the United States unless the UFC paid such persons for competing in a bout fought in the United States."

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/12/16/7402257/le-fitch-and-quarry-named-plaintiffs-in-class-action-suit-vs-ufc

ASOT · 16-12-2014 10:13pm

Some more live updates.

https://twitter.com/TheSavageTruth

ASOT · 16-12-2014 11:18pm

Le said hes never going to fight for the UFC despite being under contract, Have a feeling this will take massive momentum now when more fighters get involved which is pretty much a given.

JJayoo · 16-12-2014 11:22pm

What will this mean? UFC being sued for millions? them having to change business practices? Smaller organisations gaining a slightly larger share of the market?

DrPhilG · 16-12-2014 11:29pm

Depends how strong the case is and/or how good the Zuffa lawyers are.

ASOT · 16-12-2014 11:31pm

JJayoo wrote: »

What will this mean? UFC being sued for millions? them having to change business practices? Smaller organisations gaining a slightly larger share of the market?

The first two i would assume, It was about fighters being screwed over and forced to sign there likeness away, along with alot of other stuff. This is a massive step for fighters if they get behind it for getting much improved pay rates etc along with alot better working conditions. But its basically down to the UFC running a monopoly and limiting what fighters can make.

Its quite funny seeing Danas words of ripping smaller promotions and saying UFC is the A League coming back to haunt him, lots of his quotes seem to be getting used against him. The law firms backing it are pretty major too, its a very interesting time.

DrPhilG · 16-12-2014 11:36pm

I definitely hope that this forces the UFC into paying fighters more etc but at the same time I hope that they retain their place as the top dog in MMA.

The thought of MMA descending into a boxing style mish mash of multiple similar level organisations with different belts and champions not facing each other would suck.

Wrongway1985 · 17-12-2014 12:07am

Very debatable stuff flicked through a lot is to do with the UFC being an established/still establishing/maintaining a monopoly not sure it's punishable exactly.

A load of the things they condemn all lead to how Dana conducts himself pretty much; for example I see they have in there about the card Jon Jones could have saved but it was scrapped and Dana and Lorenzo publically stated that it would be remembered as the card Greg Jackson murdered.

Nate Quarry gave interviews a number of times about how he fought in a title match for peanuts but even still that was 05 the UFC were only on the rise he also stated when he retired he had no intention fighting let alone anywhere else so clueless as to why he put his name to this, Fitch & Le not exactly a surprise tbh.

Hopefully this is with good intention to have UFC change certain policies but I fear this could be just personal vendettas against the owners by lads whose fighting careers are over.

Full document can be read here

pauldoo · 17-12-2014 12:16am

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Very debatable stuff flicked through a lot is to do with the UFC being an established/still establishing/maintaining a monopoly not sure it's punishable exactly.

Full document can be read here

Check out the Microsoft antitrust case, you can get punished for creating a monopoly(more to it than just that obviously), IMO it's BS, you shouldn't get punished for being successful

dave1982 · 17-12-2014 10:02am

This will probably dragged out for years in court

raze_them_all_ · 17-12-2014 10:57am

pauldoo wrote: »

Check out the Microsoft antitrust case, you can get punished for creating a monopoly(more to it than just that obviously), IMO it's BS, you shouldn't get punished for being successful

I dunno I think it's good tbh, look at gamestop the place is a rip off since it has no competition in ireland

rolexeagle1 · 17-12-2014 10:57am

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

I dunno I think it's good tbh, look at gamestop the place is a rip off since it has no competition in ireland

I hate gamestop

raze_them_all_ · 17-12-2014 11:06am

srumball wrote: »

I hate gamestop

thus my point, they used to be great, on average, 4-5 euro deeper but with a much better selection now they are at least 10 e dearer since they have no competition. The ufc used to put on amazing quality cards and crushed the competition that way, now they just shove mediocre **** down our throats for the most part and other companies can't compete with the sheer volume

MagicIRL · 17-12-2014 12:30pm

I think if Cage Warriors, One FC, Bellator and other smaller orgs came together to form a European superpower, that could easily rival the UFC.

Burb5 · 17-12-2014 12:37pm

MagicIRL wrote: »

I think if Cage Warriors, One FC, Bellator and other smaller orgs came together to form a European superpower, that could easily rival the UFC.

Bellator can become a superpower themselves what with the financial power of Viacom behind them and now that Scott Coker is running the show expect them to improve.

MagicIRL · 17-12-2014 12:42pm

Burb5 wrote: »

Bellator can become a superpower themselves what with the financial power of Viacom behind them and now that Scott Coker is running the show expect them to improve.

Yeah but my point is that I, in my humble un-educated view, believe the American/South American market is gone to the UFC and won't come back anytime soon.

If Bellator were to partner with something like Cage Warriors and One FC, focus their shows in mainland Europe, and maybe Asia, they could toppled those markets in their favour.

DrPhilG · 17-12-2014 1:18pm

Scott Coker was responsible for the Tito/Bonner/masked man fiasco.

Is that the kind of bollox we want to become the norm?

Burb5 · 17-12-2014 2:44pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

Scott Coker was responsible for the Tito/Bonner/masked man fiasco.

Is that the kind of bollox we want to become the norm?

It shouldn't be the norm and I'll take it as them looking to get people to notice them (which it did, averaged 1.2m viewers on SPIKE)

Bellator aren't looking to be a UFC clone and will look to do things differently (as Coker has said himself) and when you are owned by a billion dollar tv company like Viacom the world is your oyster.

weemcd · 18-12-2014 9:04am

Rory not get to the next title shot, looks like it's Lawler v Hendricks again.

Pity, dunno how much I want the third fight. Hope Robbie ko's this time, but it will probably be another wafer thin 5 round decision.

Anyone else find Hendricks unlikeable?

Mr. CooL ICE · 18-12-2014 10:55am

Lately, yes. Before his initial title shot, no.

DrPhilG · 18-12-2014 11:07am

I really dislike 3rd matches in a series so quickly. They did it with Velasquez vs Dos Santos. It means that if JDS gets back to the top we're looking at 4 and 5 or more matches between them in their career.

rolexeagle1 · 18-12-2014 11:11am

Apparently Rory MacDonald has been told he will not get the next title shot. Hendrix v Lawler 3 I guess

osl · 18-12-2014 12:40pm

Balls. I think Rory is clearly the best in the welterweight division. He didn't really show up against Robbie the first time and still easily could have gotten the decision. Over 5 rounds I don't see either of them beating him

glass half full · 18-12-2014 1:00pm

Where is Carlos Condit btw? (too lazy to google so Im posting the question).

rolexeagle1 · 18-12-2014 1:03pm

glass half full wrote: »

Where is Carlos Condit btw? (too lazy to google so Im posting the question).

In google somewhere.....

Edit: Found him http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mma-cagewriter/carlos-condit-medically-cleared-to-resume-mma-training-173327019.html

back training after his knee injury. Will see him in early 2015 id say

MrStuffins · 18-12-2014 1:13pm

I think if Rory is going to be champion, his best chance of winning the belt is against Robbie. I know Lawler beat him before but I think if they fought again i'd have my money on McDonald.

weemcd · 18-12-2014 2:27pm

Robbie all the way lads! However Rory admitted he was injured last time out on the Joe Rogan podcast.

5 rounds for a different fight

ASOT · 18-12-2014 3:51pm

Angree with the post about Hendricks, before he won the title i really liked him, now he seemed like an absolute dick head. The way he didnt let anyone touch his belt was ridiculous. Rory IMO can win the title, Hes really starting to grow on me outside the octagon from recent interviews. Still would love Woodly to win the belt but that wont be happening anytime soon until he learns how not to choke in big fights.

weemcd · 18-12-2014 6:46pm

Ps Hendricks has the worst walkout music in the ufc

Zero-Cool · 18-12-2014 7:13pm

Yupp zero interest in another 5 round split decision between johnny and robbie. I can't see either holding the belt too long, really wish they gave rory a shot.

Lenin Skynard · 19-12-2014 12:01am

Was just reading up on Christy Brown today and looking at some of his paintings. I thought the one behind him there is a dead ringer for John Kavanagh. :pac:

JJayoo · 19-12-2014 12:15am

Lol so random but so true

TimRiggins · 19-12-2014 3:06am

https://twitter.com/FrankieEdgar/status/545748764624175104

https://twitter.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/545754878887624705

Frankie seems sad about something, or i'm reading wayyyy to into it

Mr. Manager · 19-12-2014 10:04am

Not sure if it's really newsworthy but Dustin Poirier is moving to lightweight.

“@FrigUrself: @DustinPoirier are you moving up to LW?” Yes
— The Diamond (@DustinPoirier) December 19, 2014

“@frank_bono: I’m curious why @DustinPoirier is moving up to lightweight” Because I walk around 180s
— The Diamond (@DustinPoirier) December 19, 2014

Wonder how he'll settle into lightweight again. Personally, I can't see him being anything other than a gatekeeper, at best. There's so many top class guys in LW that I think would maul him.

Mr. CooL ICE · 19-12-2014 10:43am

Lenin Skynard wrote: »

Looks like Ilir Latifi is painting him

John_D80 · 19-12-2014 12:58pm

Life Degen wrote: »

Personally, I can't see him being anything other than a gatekeeper, at best. There's so many top class guys in LW that I think would maul him.

Agree 100%. If he has any sort of chance at ever challenging for a title, it's realistically only at FW. LW division is far too strong. Ive believed for quite a while now that the loss to McGregor has had a huge effect on his self belief.

Zero-Cool · 19-12-2014 7:25pm

@guicruzzz's Tweet: https://twitter.com/guicruzzz/status/545990281729171456

shrapnel222 · 19-12-2014 8:38pm

John_D80 wrote: »

Agree 100%. If he has any sort of chance at ever challenging for a title, it's realistically only at FW. LW division is far too strong. Ive believed for quite a while now that the loss to McGregor has had a huge effect on his self belief.

it's probably time joe had a word with him. :pac:

John_D80 · 19-12-2014 9:45pm

shrapnel222 wrote: »

it's probably time joe had a word with him. :pac:

Good god no!! There'd be absolutely nothing left of the poor guys confidence!!

scudzilla · 21-12-2014 12:07pm

Rampage has re-signed for the UFC?? Can't understand why, it's been a LONG time since he's been relevant in fighting terms, the only thing i can think of is it has something to do with this lawsuit, how i'm unsure but it sure is an odd one

pauldoo · 21-12-2014 12:29pm

scudzilla wrote: »

Rampage has re-signed for the UFC?? Can't understand why, it's been a LONG time since he's been relevant in fighting terms, the only thing i can think of is it has something to do with this lawsuit, how i'm unsure but it sure is an odd one

Must be another reason, maybe trying to take one of bellators big names away. Fighting wise, he's been done for a long time, way too one dimensional. Same crap before every fight too, he's training properly, old rampage is back etc etc

Would think his first fight will be shogun

ASOT · 21-12-2014 3:31pm

pauldoo wrote: »

Must be another reason, maybe trying to take one of bellators big names away. Fighting wise, he's been done for a long time, way too one dimensional. Same crap before every fight too, he's training properly, old rampage is back etc etc

Would think his first fight will be shogun

Which he will more than likely win setting up a decent enough fight with maybe evans again? Or something like that to sell PPVs, hes a draw thats the only reason hes been signed back imo.

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