Things I've noticed/ Needed explaining/ Need explaining

raindog.promo · 08-07-2009 9:34am #1

"I don't truck with CP time" - Marlo, S03 E08

CP - Coloured Peoples Time. An American expression referring to a stereotype of African Americans or Latinos as frequently being late.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colored_People%27s_Time

Loveless · 14-08-2009 11:48pm

What was the signifigance of

the body tags getting accidentally swapped on Omar's body at the end of S05E08

? was it just a general reference to the way sometimes people miss small details.. ?

raindog.promo · 15-08-2009 12:02am

I've read a few different reasons or ways people see it. I think the writers said it was showing that on the street Omar was a big, well known, mythical figure whereas in the cold harsh real world everywhere else he's just

another statistic in a body bag.

I don't really know to be honest

Loveless · 15-08-2009 12:14am

That would make sense when referenced to another scene in the same series.. In the newspaper copy room, one journalist purposes two articles to fill one last gap in the paper before it went to print: One article was a big fire out in one of the suburbs.. the other was

34 year old black male shot dead in a convience store

Editor: We'll go with the fire story!

K4t · 15-08-2009 4:39am

Yeah but how does the coroner know that the tags are switched????

The newspaper scene is great. Omar was just another dead black male.

scop · 15-08-2009 7:02pm

K4t wrote: »

Yeah but how does the coroner know that the tags are switched????

He looks at the name Omar and reasons that this isn't a white name. He looks at the tag and the error is revealed to him.

[I suppose the sub-text is that the coroner is not all too used to white guys so the name and the body clashed]

Dave! · 15-08-2009 11:12pm

Is Rawls gay or what?!??! Most random and undeveloped plot ever !

scop · 16-08-2009 12:40am

Dave! wrote: »

Is Rawls gay or what?!??! Most random and undeveloped plot ever !

Short answer is yes. We see him in a gay bar and we see the graffiti in the Homicide bathroom.

Plus he overcompensates via his mini-speeches.

brendansmith · 17-08-2009 6:02am

Loveless wrote: »

What was the signifigance of
the body tags getting accidentally swapped on Omar's body at the end of S05E08
? was it just a general reference to the way sometimes people miss small details.. ?

Good man, i was confused by this also but forgot about it until i saw this thread.

Ostrom · 17-08-2009 10:48am

scop wrote: »

Short answer is yes. We see him in a gay bar and we see the graffiti in the Homicide bathroom.

Plus he overcompensates via his mini-speeches.

And likes Daniels. The camera hangs on Rawls watching him leave a number of times, and he makes a few overcompensating comments directly to him.

Dave! · 17-08-2009 11:49am

Ahh but who could resist Daniels' infective personality, his warm sense of humour, his disarming charm, and his ...... deceptively well-defined abs...??? If wanting to shag Daniels makes you gay, then gay me up!

Heisenberg. · 17-08-2009 2:42pm

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Ostrom · 17-08-2009 2:56pm

Scien wrote: »

Was the last time we saw Poot when
Bodie got shot
or was that him working in the Footlocker place where Duquan went to get a Job?

We see Lester in the last episode of S5 being affectionate with the stripper girl from S2.
Who did he bring along to
McNultys Wake?
I.e Was he married/was she just his bit on the side?

There were suggestions in Season 1 (and a warning from daniels) that they may have had a thing. They are married by season 5, and he mentions her across all seasons

Penn · 17-08-2009 3:27pm

Scien wrote: »

We see Lester in the last episode of S5 being affectionate with the stripper girl from S2.
Who did he bring along to
McNultys Wake?
I.e Was he married/was she just his bit on the side?

Yeah, it was the same girl throughout. One of the reasons I love The Wire. Just because its not mentioned and a big deal made over it doesn't mean the characters don't have lives going on outside the main storyline

Hitman Actual · 17-08-2009 3:37pm

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

Yeah, it was the same girl throughout. One of the reasons I love The Wire. Just because its not mentioned and a big deal made over it doesn't mean the characters don't have lives going on outside the main storyline

That reminds me of the great speech Lester gave to Jimmy in season 3 over his obsession with 'the job', finishing with: "A life, Jimmy. You know what that is? It's the sh!t that happens while you're waiting for the moments that never come". Lester was such a brilliant character.

scop · 17-08-2009 8:31pm

Scien wrote: »

Was the last time we saw Poot when
Bodie got shot
or was that him working in the Footlocker place where Duquan went to get a Job?

That was Poot in the Footlocker place indeed.

Ostrom · 19-08-2009 4:15pm

Levy and Herc, Season 5

Been thinking about this since watching season 5 again; was Levy aware that Herc had supplied Carver with Marlo's number?

Levy is seen discussing a possible leak with Marlo in the holding cells - should he not have figured that it was Herc? If Levy, as he later said, stood to profit more in pre-trial charges from a wiretap case, why would he not pass the number to Herc to give to the cops in the first place?

Seems strange that he wouldn't put two and two together - or was he aware and just playing along?

shenanigans1982 · 29-09-2009 10:29pm

Just wondering if anyone knows....

Are Randy and Cheese related?...when his real name is up on the case board he has the same surname as Randy but I don't remember anything being mentioned about any connection.

raindog.promo · 29-09-2009 10:50pm

I think they were going to write it into the story that Randy is Cheese's son but decided not to at the last minute?

He says it in an interview somewhere but i don't have any links for it.

TarfHead · 30-09-2009 1:08pm

raindog.promo wrote: »

I think they were going to write it into the story that Randy is Cheese's son but decided not to at the last minute?

He says it in an interview somewhere but i don't have any links for it.

That relationship is referred to in this article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Wagstaff

DaveSlats · 01-11-2009 9:50am

This is a real nerdy question, but in S2 McNulty and the doctor figured out how long the 13 girls would have stayed alive in the can.

They used this to figure out the time of death - and thus put the deaths on Rawls.

But they could only have calculated how long they would have stayed alive after the vent was closed - they never had any way of knowing when that occured.

Or had they?

DeepBlue · 01-11-2009 12:14pm

Yep, that's a real nerdy question alright

.

I can't remember the doc and McNulty working out how long they survived in the can. I think McNulty's concern was when the deaths occurred rather than when the action took place to cause the deaths.

Thus when he knew the time of death he focused on figuring out where the ship was when the deaths occurred. I think he used tide patterns to work it out which placed the ship within Rawl's jurisdiction at the time of death.

Gotta love Rawls' reacton when he realises he's been stiffed with a stone cold whodunnit and a can load of bodies

.

An Citeog · 01-11-2009 3:54pm

DeepBlue wrote: »

Yep, that's a real nerdy question alright .

I can't remember the doc and McNulty working out how long they survived in the can. I think McNulty's concern was when the deaths occurred rather than when the action took place to cause the deaths.

Thus when he knew the time of death he focused on figuring out where the ship was when the deaths occurred. I think he used tide patterns to work it out which placed the ship within Rawl's jurisdiction at the time of death.

Gotta love Rawls' reacton when he realises he's been stiffed with a stone cold whodunnit and a can load of bodies .

No, he used the tides to place the floater that they found under Baltimore City jurisdiction. There was no way to know where abouts the 13 girls died unless they knew the exact time that the air vent was hammered shut though.

funkydunkey · 03-11-2009 12:15am

as far as i recall, the doctor was able to tell from the bodies how long they were dead. and the calculation they did gave them the length of time it took them to die after the pipe was shut.so for eg. they were dead 10hrs + it took em 4hrs to died = 14hrs. and they knew what time the ship came up the harbour at from its log. so they were able to say it was in city waters. a fairly nerdy answer to a fairly nerdy question.

On another note, I was watchin S3 E3 last night. and during the gunfight at the stashhouse i noticed

when Omars boyfriend is running back to the car with Tosha following him. Dante's firing over his shoulder without looking, and for a second it looks like he shoots tosha. because she drops just after he fires. also she was shot in the front of the head not the back. she was runnin away from barksdales people and was only facing dante at the time.

did anyone spot that or am i going mad?

An Citeog · 03-11-2009 1:07am

funkydunkey wrote: »

when Omars boyfriend is running back to the car with Tosha following him. Dante's firing over his shoulder without looking, and for a second it looks like he shoots tosha. because she drops just after he fires. also she was shot in the front of the head not the back. she was runnin away from barksdales people and was only facing dante at the time.
did anyone spot that or am i going mad?

No, you're not going mad. That's exactly what happened.

That's what all the agro is about back in the safehouse afterwards.

mloc · 03-11-2009 1:27am

I can't remember if they highlighted this elsewhere, but if they didn't it's even cooler because it's so subtle.

I like the way Omar, after robbing the co-ops drug shipment asks for 20 on the dollar from Prop Joe. Prop Joe then says 30 on the dollar to Marlow, clearly seeing an opportunity to make cash himself.

Penn · 03-11-2009 9:45pm

funkydunkey wrote: »

On another note, I was watchin S3 E3 last night. and during the gunfight at the stashhouse i noticed
when Omars boyfriend is running back to the car with Tosha following him. Dante's firing over his shoulder without looking, and for a second it looks like he shoots tosha. because she drops just after he fires. also she was shot in the front of the head not the back. she was runnin away from barksdales people and was only facing dante at the time.
did anyone spot that or am i going mad?

Holy crap! I never noticed that. Damn thats awesome. Cheers lad

14-06-2010 2:58am

Whats the story with the

greeks.When ever the wire tap is engaged we see a guy in an fbi office who looks senior,who sees this on his screen and telephones to warn them?
Does this just mean they had internal contacts or what?

Penn · 15-06-2010 11:49am

Conor Clumsy Semiconductor wrote: »

Whats the story with the
greeks.When ever the wire tap is engaged we see a guy in an fbi office who looks senior,who sees this on his screen and telephones to warn them?
Does this just mean they had internal contacts or what?

From Wikipedia:

Koutris is an agent in the FBI's counter-terrorism unit who feeds information on the bureau’s activity to The Greek. He is responsible for telling the Greek about an investigation by Baltimore police and the local FBI, and gives The Greek warning enough to temporarily shut down his smuggling operation. He is rewarded with information on a large shipment of drugs that he seizes on the FBI’s behalf. Koutris is also responsible for telling The Greek that his contact in the Baltimore port, Frank Sobotka, has agreed to give evidence against him. This information leads to Sobotka’s death. FBI Agent Fitzhugh realizes Koutris is a leak, but is unable to do anything because Koutris is well-regarded because of the drug arrest. It is implied (and has subsequently been confirmed by creator David Simon) that Koutris is protecting The Greek as a confidential informant for information about potential acts of terrorism; rather than being "corrupt" per se, Koutris is actually following standard FBI policy.

FrostyJack · 27-06-2010 5:55am

Levy and Herc, Season 5
Been thinking about this since watching season 5 again; was Levy aware that Herc had supplied Carver with Marlo's number?

Levy is seen discussing a possible leak with Marlo in the holding cells - should he not have figured that it was Herc? If Levy, as he later said, stood to profit more in pre-trial charges from a wiretap case, why would he not pass the number to Herc to give to the cops in the first place?

Seems strange that he wouldn't put two and two together - or was he aware and just playing along?

From the later conversation between Herc and himself, it is implied that he did know and that he gave it to him for that very reason.

With regards the Greek, did the writers explain

why at the end of S2when they escape, he says he is never coming back but in S5 not only is back but reveals himself to Marlo shortly after meeting him where as he was very cautious in S2

Did I miss something. Is it a case of dumbing him down like they did with

Stringer in S3

Slim Charles · 18-08-2010 9:54pm

In Season 3 think around episode 3 or 4, at

Ray Coles wake, Jay landsman places something in Rays suit-pocket while the body is on the table.

As you can see at 3:20 on the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVznnoptsmM - Now I've not watched it in a year or two, so maybe I missed something from earlier in that episode or season, which Ill check out my self when I get a chance to, but does anyone who has watched it recently know what it was??

spurious · 19-08-2010 6:56am

It's the notes for the speech he just made.

The guy · 22-08-2010 5:02pm

What did Cedric Daniels do in the Eastern District? It was mentioned a few times as being a huge mistake but I don't think I heard what it was.

DeepBlue · 22-08-2010 5:43pm

The guy wrote: »

What did Cedric Daniels do in the Eastern District? It was mentioned a few times as being a huge mistake but I don't think I heard what it was.

It was never spelled out exactly what he did.
In the finale Carver is presented as the new Daniels and Carver was up to all sorts of shit with Herc such as keeping money from drug busts etc.
McNulty's FBI friend said Daniels had more money in his back accounts than he could have legitimately earned from his job when the FBI investigated him but he didn't say where it came from.

Spacedog · 26-08-2010 8:38pm

DeepBlue wrote: »

It was never spelled out exactly what he did.
In the finale Carver is presented as the new Daniels and Carver was up to all sorts of shit with Herc such as keeping money from drug busts etc.
McNulty's FBI friend said Daniels had more money in his back accounts than he could have legitimately earned from his job when the FBI investigated him but he didn't say where it came from.

I agree, the final scenes explain most of the unanswered questions about the established characters. What Daniels did is never told, but Carver stole money and was involved in the blinding of that kid. he has the same ghosts in his closet that Daniels has when we first meet him in episode 1.

Dookie shows one possible way that someone like bobbles bubbles could have fallen between the cracks as a younger man... Michael realising that there is more than one way to play the game than simply taking orders or getting shot on a corner like Bodie. Even Wee-bay / cutty, By the time Bay gets out of jail the game would have changed so much, with the likes of Kenard running about acting worse than Marlow...

KeanSeenan · 19-09-2010 7:28pm

Not really a spoiler, but I'll be cautious:

When Bunk is inspecting the scene of one of Omar's attacks on a stash house Kenard is one of the kids playing as Omar

I thought that was interesting.

Kurley · 24-02-2011 12:21pm

Scien wrote: »

Was the last time we saw Poot when
Bodie got shot
or was that him working in the Footlocker place where Duquan went to get a Job?

Poot was working in the footlocker

Bob Z · 24-02-2011 3:21pm

Barrington wrote: »

From Wikipedia:
Koutris is an agent in the FBI's counter-terrorism unit who feeds information on the bureau’s activity to The Greek. He is responsible for telling the Greek about an investigation by Baltimore police and the local FBI, and gives The Greek warning enough to temporarily shut down his smuggling operation. He is rewarded with information on a large shipment of drugs that he seizes on the FBI’s behalf. Koutris is also responsible for telling The Greek that his contact in the Baltimore port, Frank Sobotka, has agreed to give evidence against him. This information leads to Sobotka’s death. FBI Agent Fitzhugh realizes Koutris is a leak, but is unable to do anything because Koutris is well-regarded because of the drug arrest. It is implied (and has subsequently been confirmed by creator David Simon) that Koutris is protecting The Greek as a confidential informant for information about potential acts of terrorism; rather than being "corrupt" per se, Koutris is actually following standard FBI policy.

ITs been a while since i seen s2 but what could the greek have known about terrorism?

Kurley · 24-02-2011 3:25pm

Bob Z wrote: »

ITs been a while since i seen s2 but what could the greek have known about terrorism?

Vondas said he helped people smuggle things into the country and didn't care if it was drugs, women or bombs.

Can't remember what episode or even season.

happytramp · 21-04-2011 11:44pm

In season five (episode 4) Just before McNulty takes the business card from the crazy homeless man we see the big beardy guy that worked at the docks (pulling the heists with Nicky and Ziggy) is now homeless, living with his dog under the bridge.

orourkeda · 25-04-2011 2:41pm

Dave! wrote: »

Is Rawls gay or what?!??! Most random and undeveloped plot ever !

It's certainly inferred but not confirmed either way.

Gillington · 26-04-2011 5:54pm

Not giving out but please can people put what season etc they are writing about before using the spoilers!?

Its very very very annoying opening a spoiler to find out its season 5 or something,where if I knew that before hand I wouldnt open it.

Season 5 Episode 4

I think thats fairer on everyone who mightnt have watched this far??

Dave! · 26-04-2011 6:37pm

Season 2 Episode 4

Shut up Gillington

Gillington · 27-04-2011 12:40am

Dave! wrote: »

Season 2 Episode 4
Shut up Gillington

Lol guess I was asking for that

orourkeda · 28-04-2011 11:20am

efla wrote: »

Levy and Herc, Season 5
Been thinking about this since watching season 5 again; was Levy aware that Herc had supplied Carver with Marlo's number?

Levy is seen discussing a possible leak with Marlo in the holding cells - should he not have figured that it was Herc? If Levy, as he later said, stood to profit more in pre-trial charges from a wiretap case, why would he not pass the number to Herc to give to the cops in the first place?

Seems strange that he wouldn't put two and two together - or was he aware and just playing along?

One can only presume so. An admission of this kind would surely have resulted in him getting murdered.

orourkeda · 28-04-2011 11:29am

happytramp wrote: »

In season five (episode 4) Just before McNulty takes the business card from the crazy homeless man we see the big beardy guy that worked at the docks (pulling the heists with Nicky and Ziggy) is now homeless, living with his dog under the bridge.

I never noticed that the first time around

Penny Dreadful · 16-01-2012 11:05am

orourkeda wrote: »

I never noticed that the first time around

I think he was

on an undercover job. He did say to McNulty before he left, you should give me a dollar to make this look real

TrueDub · 16-01-2012 12:03pm

Penny Dreadful wrote: »

I think he was
on an undercover job. He did say to McNulty before he left, you should give me a dollar to make this look real

Don't think so -

all the commentary I've read says that he's meant to indicate what can happen to people when their work dries up and they don't have a social structure around them to support them.

Penny Dreadful · 16-01-2012 12:18pm

TrueDub wrote: »

Don't think so -
all the commentary I've read says that he's meant to indicate what can happen to people when their work dries up and they don't have a social structure around them to support them.

Ahh ok I

thought he was an undercover cop and he wanted to give McNulty a heads up on the bogus stories being put out by Templeton

I'm sad that I'm finished the Wire. This was my first time watching it and really really loved it.
Will give it a little while and then rewatch to find out what else I've missed.

Penn · 16-01-2012 1:18pm

Penny Dreadful wrote: »

Ahh ok I
thought he was an undercover cop and he wanted to give McNulty a heads up on the bogus stories being put out by Templeton

I'm sad that I'm finished the Wire. This was my first time watching it and really really loved it.
Will give it a little while and then rewatch to find out what else I've missed.

There is an undercover cop with the homeless who does that, but this is a different scene. It's the guy from Season 2 with the beard (Johnny 50, I think his name is) who helped Ziggy and Nick steal from the docks. With the closing of the docks, he became homeless

amacachi · 16-01-2012 1:45pm

It was an undercover cop who asked for the buck, the beardy lad doesn't say anything after season 2.

I thought it was just black people who most people couldn't tell the difference between :pac:

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