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Egr's and Dpf's

  • 24-08-2012 6:53pm
    #1
    hughjohn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 135 ✭✭


    With regard to diesel cars what year did all this egr and dpf stuff come into production?
    I have a 02 with none of it , was it year related or did it depend on the manufacturer?
    Thanks.


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  • #2
    bazz26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,295 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    EGRs have been around along time. DPFs have been around for a decade or a bit longer but only have became standard since 2011.


  • #3
    slimjimmc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,786 ✭✭✭slimjimmc


    hughjohn wrote: »
    With regard to diesel cars what year did all this egr and dpf stuff come into production?
    I have a 02 with none of it , was it year related or did it depend on the manufacturer?
    Thanks.

    EGR's have been around a lot earlier than 2002
    DPFs came more common when EU pollution laws became stricter.
    Most manufacturer's can't achieve the low emissions without installing a DPF. I think the big surge in use came with Euro V when motor companies started making new Euro V compliant before the standard came into force. PSA (Citroen Peugeot) has been using them since 2000.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_emission_standards#Emission_standards_for_passenger_cars


  • #4
    vectra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,587 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    hughjohn wrote: »
    With regard to diesel cars what year did all this egr stuff come into production?
    I have a 02 with none of it , was it year related or did it depend on the manufacturer?
    Thanks.

    Are you sure?
    Have a '01 Toledo diesel and it has an EGR


  • #5
    ofcork
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,413 ✭✭✭ofcork


    What will happen when euro 6 comes in?


  • #6
    vectra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,587 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    ofcork wrote: »
    What will happen when euro 6 comes in?

    Go Electric :pac:


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  • #7
    hughjohn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 135 ✭✭hughjohn


    vectra wrote: »
    Are you sure?
    Have a '01 Toledo diesel and it has an EGR

    Egr (exhaust gas recirculation) where a percentage of the exhaust is fed back into combustion.
    I dont think my car has it, no mention of it in book anyway.


  • #8
    CJhaughey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    What car do you have?
    I have a Toyota Landcruiser from 1997,1999 Avensis TD had it, so its in most diesels even older ones.


  • #9
    vectra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,587 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    hughjohn wrote: »
    Egr (exhaust gas recirculation) where a percentage of the exhaust is fed back into combustion.
    I dont think my car has it, no mention of it in book anyway.

    What car have you?


  • #10
    Leonard Hofstadter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Leonard Hofstadter


    ofcork wrote: »
    What will happen when euro 6 comes in?

    Diesels will have p1ss as an additive, and I'm not joking on that!

    The technology is already used on many trucks and buses - it's called Selective Catalytic Reduction.


  • #11
    keithclancy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    captainspeed wrote: »
    Diesels will have p1ss as an additive, and I'm not joking on that!

    The technology is already used on many trucks and buses - it's called Selective Catalytic Reduction.

    Sold as AdBlue over here on the Trucks:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_exhaust_fluid
    Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) is an aqueous urea solution blended with 32.5% high purity urea and 67.5% deionized water. DEF solution is used in Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) to lower NOx concentration in the exhaust emissions from diesel engines.[1]

    The solution may also be referred to as AUS32 [2] or as AdBlue, a trademark held by the German Association of the Automobile Industry (VDA), which ensures quality standards are maintained in accord with ISO 2241 specifications.[3]


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  • #12
    Nissan doctor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    ofcork wrote: »
    What will happen when euro 6 comes in?



    Back to petrols....small capacity turbocharged 3 and 4 cylinder engines with stop start, cylinder shut down tech etc etc are what most manufacturers are developing now.

    The diesel craze is/was just a quick fix.


  • #13
    hughjohn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 135 ✭✭hughjohn


    vectra wrote: »
    What car have you?

    Citroen xsara 1.9 non turbo, 2002.


  • #14
    sean1141
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,088 ✭✭✭sean1141


    hughjohn wrote: »
    Citroen xsara 1.9 non turbo, 2002.

    our 1.9 206 which i think has the same engine has an egr


  • #15
    vectra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,587 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    hughjohn wrote: »
    Citroen xsara 1.9 non turbo, 2002.

    This?
    EGR Valve


  • #16
    The Pontiac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭The Pontiac


    Nissan doctor wrote: »
    Back to petrols....small capacity turbocharged 3 and 4 cylinder engines with stop start, cylinder shut down tech etc etc are what most manufacturers are developing now.

    The diesel craze is/was just a quick fix.

    Anyone here drive the new Ford Focus 1.0 3 cylinder petrol engine yet?

    Impressive figures for a 999cc engine. 11.3secs 0-62mph, Max Speed 120mph, 56.5mpg, 114g/km CO2

    Seems to be the future alright..

    http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/Ford-Focus-10-Ecoboost-review/


  • #17
    MugMugs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    <Ollie> wrote: »
    Nissan doctor wrote: »
    Back to petrols....small capacity turbocharged 3 and 4 cylinder engines with stop start, cylinder shut down tech etc etc are what most manufacturers are developing now.

    The diesel craze is/was just a quick fix.

    Anyone here drive the new Ford Focus 1.0 3 cylinder petrol engine yet?

    Impressive figures for a 999cc engine. 11.3secs 0-62mph, Max Speed 120mph, 56.5mpg, 114g/km CO2

    Seems to be the future alright..

    http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/Ford-Focus-10-Ecoboost-review/

    What about longentivity? Can a one litre really pull that weight without incurring mechanical issues further down the line. I appreciate engineering has come a long way in engine design but would the life span of that Focus and maintenance costs not be incredibly reduced?


  • #18
    The Pontiac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭The Pontiac


    Good question re. durability/longevity. I really don't know.


  • #19
    Leonard Hofstadter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Leonard Hofstadter


    MugMugs wrote: »
    What about longentivity? Can a one litre really pull that weight without incurring mechanical issues further down the line. I appreciate engineering has come a long way in engine design but would the life span of that Focus and maintenance costs not be incredibly reduced?

    Unfortunately we only get the watered down Ecoboost - the 100 PS unit is the only version available in Ireland whereas the UK and other markets have the option of the more powerful 125 PS lump:rolleyes:! And even at that, the Ecoboost is only available in the poverty spec 'Focus' and 'Edge' models - the Zetecs and Titaniums (both of which are very watered down spec wise compared to the UK versions) are diesel only in Ireland!


  • #20
    MugMugs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    captainspeed wrote: »
    MugMugs wrote: »
    What about longentivity? Can a one litre really pull that weight without incurring mechanical issues further down the line. I appreciate engineering has come a long way in engine design but would the life span of that Focus and maintenance costs not be incredibly reduced?

    Unfortunately we only get the watered down Ecoboost - the 100 PS unit is the only version available in Ireland whereas the UK and other markets have the option of the more powerful 125 PS lump:rolleyes:! And even at that, the Ecoboost is only available in the poverty spec 'Focus' and 'Edge' models - the Zetecs and Titaniums (both of which are very watered down spec wise compared to the UK versions) are diesel only in Ireland!

    Sounds about right for our fair Island alright....


  • #21
    bazz26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,295 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    captainspeed wrote: »
    Unfortunately we only get the watered down Ecoboost - the 100 PS unit is the only version available in Ireland whereas the UK and other markets have the option of the more powerful 125 PS lump:rolleyes:! And even at that, the Ecoboost is only available in the poverty spec 'Focus' and 'Edge' models - the Zetecs and Titaniums (both of which are very watered down spec wise compared to the UK versions) are diesel only in Ireland!

    That is hardly Ford's fault, they obviously looked at the market here and seen that every man and his cat is buying a diesel in that car segment. There is no point in offering a large selection of models and spec in a market where they simply are not going to sell. You can count the number of new shape petrol Focus sold in this country on one hand.


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  • #22
    Leonard Hofstadter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Leonard Hofstadter


    bazz26 wrote: »
    That is hardly Ford's fault, they obviously looked at the market here and seen that every man and his cat is buying a diesel in that car segment. There is no point in offering a large selection of models and spec in a market where they simply are not going to sell. You can count the number of new shape petrol Focus sold in this country on one hand.

    The Ecoboost is in band A, like the diesel and in Germany is over €2,100 cheaper than its diesel equivalent. In the UK the Ecoboost is up to £1,100 less than the equivalent diesel.

    For some daft reason the Ecoboost is only €300 less than the diesel in Ireland though:rolleyes:.

    If there was a price gap similar to what it is in Germany I'm sure most people would still buy the diesel, but as you've said yourself many times, not everyone needs diesel and I'm sure some people would have a good long think about it if there was a €2,000+ saving for buying the petrol engined model.


  • #23
    Demmo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 60 ✭✭Demmo


    hughjohn wrote: »
    Citroen xsara 1.9 non turbo, 2002.

    This engine is the DW8 engine. It has an egr valve and a cataltyic converter.
    The egr on this engine very rarely gives trouble and is vacuum operated.


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