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What Used Car to Buy

  • 25-08-2012 5:07pm
    #1
    Birroc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭


    My wife needs a new car and we are trying to figure out what car to buy.

    Mileage = 10k-12k miles per year (rural and city)
    Budget = €10,000
    Year = 2008+
    5 door Hatchback preferred
    Key Requirements = Reliability & Economical & Mid-sized car (no bigger than Focus)

    Thinking Ford Focus, Kia Ceed, Toyota Yaris etc?


Comments

  • #2
    OldmanMondeo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭OldmanMondeo


    First off, do not bother with diesel. The milage will not be work it. The Yaris is smaller than the other 2, do you mean the Auris?

    I would look at the Kia, they had a 7 year warranty, out long enough now to see what problems they may present, which doesn't seem many. If going for the Focus, don't bother with the 1.4 petrol, engine is to wimpy and they have coil pack issues, look at a 1.6. As for the Auris, sound to much like arse :p


  • #3
    Birroc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Birroc


    OldmanMondeo wrote: »
    First off, do not bother with diesel. The milage will not be work it.

    At what mileage would diesel make sense? I see a 2008 1.6L Focus Diesel for €9,000 with 90,000 miles. Seems like a good deal?


  • #4
    OldmanMondeo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭OldmanMondeo


    The milage your doing, not the milage on the car. You would need to be doing about twice that milage to be worth your while. Diesel cars not be driven much do like it, to cause seriuous and expensive problems, injects, DMF, DPF, etc.

    Without looking I think that focus seems a bit pricey.


  • #5
    KenSwee
    Registered Users Posts: 520 ✭✭✭KenSwee


    Skoda Octavia.
    100% VW and built better than German or Spanish VW.
    Has a hatch and the boot is the size of Europe. Plenty of space inside, lots of extras and great reliability. Ultra comfortable seats. Good colour scheme and decent sound system.

    I have had the same one for over 10 years. Traveled across Europe 3 times. over 100k and It's never let me down.
    Go for mid size engine or diesel option. Ambiente or equivalent trim spec.
    Combi is amazing size but might not be your thing.


  • #6
    Birroc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Birroc


    OldmanMondeo wrote: »
    The milage your doing, not the milage on the car. You would need to be doing about twice that milage to be worth your while.

    I get that but with petrol prices going way up, will the payback on the extra you pay for diesel cars improve? And there is cheaper tax.


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  • #7
    Birroc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Birroc


    KenSwee wrote: »
    Skoda Octavia.

    I am a big fan of the Octavia but my wife wants a smaller car (Fabia is an option). I edited my original post to specify mid-size car.


  • #8
    Shane Fitz
    Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭Shane Fitz


    Birroc wrote: »
    OldmanMondeo wrote: »
    The milage your doing, not the milage on the car. You would need to be doing about twice that milage to be worth your while.

    I get that but with petrol prices going way up, will the payback on the extra you pay for diesel cars improve? And there is cheaper tax.

    Spending thousands to save euros!


  • #9
    Birroc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Birroc


    Shane Fitz wrote: »
    Spending thousands to save euros!

    Ok maybe not the diesel so what car would you recommend?


  • #10
    OldmanMondeo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭OldmanMondeo


    Birroc wrote: »
    I get that but with petrol prices going way up, will the payback on the extra you pay for diesel cars improve? And there is cheaper tax.

    If a Clutch and DMF goes on that Focus, you are looking at approx €1000 to fix. With the lack of driving it probably will go. Diesels need to be driven, the more milage the better. For Short runs petrol would give the same as diesel.

    The 3 cars you mentioned and maybe a golf. There is a wide range of cars in that bracket. If your looking 08- you could get a better deal on a petrol model over a diesel, everyone wants diesel but doesn't do the milage.

    I would suggest going into various dealers, try different models until you get a feel of the differences and then decide.


  • #11
    -Corkie-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,025 ✭✭✭✭-Corkie-


    Birroc wrote: »
    Ok maybe not the diesel so what car would you recommend?

    Please dont concentrate on 08+ cars. There is loads of cheaper 07 cars available much cheaper because people are blinded by this cheap tax thing which is being restructed in the budget btw...


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  • #12
    bazz26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,293 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    A few suggestions;

    Hyundai i30:
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    http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=29513459053578800

    Kia Ceed:
    media?xwm=y&id=57f47679-523f-42df-a34a-acbe0f79da25&width=400&height=300
    http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=14413401210845070

    Honda Civic:
    media?xwm=y&id=2ea0ddb3-e767-4533-963d-93fda1c4a210&width=400&height=300
    http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=22513415656298670


  • #13
    The Pontiac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭The Pontiac


    That Honda Civic looks good. Road tax is reasonable and 48mpg average claimed. Honda reliability too.

    Most people would dismiss it outright because it's a petrol.


  • #14
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,478 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    You would get a diesel 08 civic for the same money though.

    Not saying its not suitable, it just seems expensive


  • #15
    Birroc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Birroc


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    You would get a diesel 08 civic for the same money though.

    Not saying its not suitable, it just seems expensive

    I was in a dealer today and all they had were 2008+ Diesels. Zero petrol cars.
    If Diesels are only suitable for people doing 20,000+ miles per annum, why are people snapping these cars up?

    And when I search for Ford Focus with petrol, they seem to be same prices as their diesel equivalents give or take a few hundred quid.


  • #16
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,478 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Birroc wrote: »
    If Diesels are only suitable for people doing 20,000+ miles per annum, why are people snapping these cars up?
    .

    Who said that you need to do that much mileage?


  • #17
    LennyK
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭LennyK


    Small cars are the way forward.
    Seriously, I'm amazed as to why anybody would buy a 2 litre car.
    Fuel is going through the roof.
    Not to mention the emissions.


  • #18
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,478 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    You'll have to expand on that. Big engine doesn't mean big tax or big emissions.


  • #19
    icjzfmq7ewon1t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 336 ✭✭icjzfmq7ewon1t


    <Ollie> wrote: »
    That Honda Civic looks good. Road tax is reasonable and 48mpg average claimed.

    Claimed been the oprative word 35 mpg tops


  • #20
    The Pontiac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭The Pontiac


    Madison Angry Cucumber wrote: »
    Claimed been the oprative word 35 mpg tops

    Why would 35mpg be tops? The average is 48mpg, so on a motorway you should easily be get over 50mpg. In town, or short trips, it'll less than 48mpg, maybe 35mpg as you state, if you never drive on a main road or motorway.

    Just a quick read here from owners and it's almost bang on as the official figures. http://www.civinfo.com/forum/engines-transmission/52991-civic-1-4-vtec-s.html

    The Auto Express review in 2009 also states (when comparing it to the 2.2 diesel) "But the 1.4-litre is still remarkably economical, returning nearly 50mpg on the combined cycle." http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/honda/civic/17379/honda-civic-14-i-vtec-se


  • #21
    Birroc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Birroc


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Who said that you need to do that much mileage?

    OldManMondeo above said I would need to be doing twice my current mileage (10k-12k) to make diesel worthwhile. What do you think?


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  • #22
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,478 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    That's assuming you're paying a premium for a diesel car. In this case the petrol one is more expensive to buy.


  • #23
    The Pontiac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭The Pontiac


    Birroc wrote: »
    OldManMondeo above said I would need to be doing twice my current mileage (10k-12k) to make diesel worthwhile. What do you think?

    Do a few calculations and see. Compare mpg, and the purchase price of the same model cars.

    Then have a look at pre-2008 cars and see if its worth your while on the new tax system.

    You might be saving a few €k's on the purchase price of a 2007 car, and will take you years to get back if paying the higher price for a 2008 car, for instance.

    A petrol car might also be a few thousand cheaper than the equivalent diesel model, thus taking you years to get back your money if only doing 10,000 miles a year.


  • #24
    Birroc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Birroc


    What you think of this car;

    http://www.westlinkcarsales.ie/index.php?p=9&id=906


  • #25
    bazz26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,293 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    LennyK wrote: »
    Small cars are the way forward.
    Seriously, I'm amazed as to why anybody would buy a 2 litre car.
    Fuel is going through the roof.
    Not to mention the emissions.

    Not everyone wants a car with a pint size engine.


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