is it time for another boundary commission

ardmacha · 22-05-2012 7:12pm

Oh right I get you now, he can stay because he is of Indian descent but the rest of us white unionists have to go "back to Britain" thanks for clearing that up

I didn't say that, as you well know.

I welcome people from India, or elsewhere, who wish to come to Ireland and take part in Irish life. I do not welcome people from India, or elsewhere, who come to Ireland with a view to turning it into India.

It isn't rocket science.

getzls · 22-05-2012 7:14pm

thecommietommy wrote: »

Plantation, Act of Union, Partition, etc all have failed, is it not time unionists went back to Britain where they might feel really British for a change ??

I do feel really British. I was born in Northern Ireland. This tired old usual saying, go back to where you came from. Have a think about, if not your surname, people around you. Do you see a lot of British names? Yes you do.:cool:

woodoo · 22-05-2012 7:39pm

getzls wrote: »

I do feel really British. I was born in Northern Ireland. This tired old usual saying, go back to where you came from. Have a think about, if not your surname, people around you. Do you see a lot of British names? Yes you do.:cool:

A lot of the names are mixed up amongst the different traditions now.

junder · 22-05-2012 7:46pm

ardmacha wrote: »

Oh right I get you now, he can stay because he is of Indian descent but the rest of us white unionists have to go "back to Britain" thanks for clearing that up

I didn't say that, as you well know.

I welcome people from India, or elsewhere, who wish to come to Ireland and take part in Irish life. I do not welcome people from India, or elsewhere, who come to Ireland with a view to turning it into India.

It isn't rocket science.

Guess you missed the point, in post 43 commie tommy posts that unionists should go back to Britain, I merely sought clarity about were this Indian gentlemen should go since he is in fact a unionist but not from Britain which lends the question were should he go

junder · 22-05-2012 7:49pm

golden lane wrote: »

junder wrote: »

Oh right I get you now, he can stay because he is of Indian descent but the rest of us white unionists have to go "back to Britain" thanks for clearing that up

you stay where you are.....maybe you own more of ireland than they do........

i think everybody from europe does....

I don't own any part of Ireland or northern Ireland for that matter since I am a council tenant

CajunPenguin · 22-05-2012 8:01pm

Barely anyone in Mainland Britain wants NI to stay in the UK, 41% are for a United Ireland 21% are Unionists and the rest don't care. These are numbers from 2007 I think and the feeling of anti-Unionism will only have increased since then. IMO the current government should make a push for negotiating over the North like Argentina did with the Falkands, it would give them a huge popularity boost. Obviously people will complain "there's much more important stuff, the economy blah blah blah" but Irish people consistently vote different to their pre election opinions. Everyone seems to hate Sinn Féin, so why are there so many Shinners in government?:rolleyes: I would like to see a United Ireland, but if I do it'll probably be when I'm really old. Too many people work for the British establishment up there to take the whole thing back

SeanW · 22-05-2012 8:59pm

junder wrote: »

Guess you missed the point, in post 43 commie tommy posts that unionists should go back to Britain, I merely sought clarity about were this Indian gentlemen should go since he is in fact a unionist but not from Britain which lends the question were should he go

If he wants his new homeland to be more like/ruled by his old homeland, then yes, he should go home.

Let me put it another way, if your neighborhood had a lot of Saudis moving in next door and they wanted EVERYONE in it to abstain from alcohol, all women regardless of traditions to wear burkhas and otherwise turn the place into a Saudi exclave in all but name ... I imagine you would tell them to "go home" too. As would I.

I'm not saying Unionists should go back to Britain, nor anything like it, just saying the "go home" mentality is not entirely without merit.

junder · 22-05-2012 9:24pm

SeanW wrote: »

junder wrote: »

Guess you missed the point, in post 43 commie tommy posts that unionists should go back to Britain, I merely sought clarity about were this Indian gentlemen should go since he is in fact a unionist but not from Britain which lends the question were should he go

If he wants his new homeland to be more like/ruled by his old homeland, then yes, he should go home.

Let me put it another way, if your neighborhood had a lot of Saudis moving in next door and they wanted EVERYONE in it to abstain from alcohol, all women regardless of traditions to wear burkhas and otherwise turn the place into a Saudi exclave in all but name ... I imagine you would tell them to "go home" too. As would I.

I'm not saying Unionists should go back to Britain, nor anything like it, just saying the "go home" mentality is not entirely without merit.

Again a very spurious analogy, since the unionists did not just move in, they are as indigenous as you to this island

woodoo · 22-05-2012 10:36pm

junder wrote: »

Again a very spurious analogy, since the unionists did not just move in, they are as indigenous as you to this island

Plantations?

junder · 22-05-2012 11:12pm

woodoo wrote: »

junder wrote: »

Again a very spurious analogy, since the unionists did not just move in, they are as indigenous as you to this island

Plantations?

Unless you going to start DNA testing people then what's your point, plantations, Viking raids, various invasions who actully indigenous and how you going to prove it?

woodoo · 22-05-2012 11:27pm

junder wrote: »

Unless you going to start DNA testing people then what's your point, plantations, Viking raids, various invasions who actully indigenous and how you going to prove it?

None of the Scandinavian countries are still here administering a gerrymandered statelet.

junder · 22-05-2012 11:30pm

woodoo wrote: »

junder wrote: »

Unless you going to start DNA testing people then what's your point, plantations, Viking raids, various invasions who actully indigenous and how you going to prove it?

None of the Scandinavian countries are still here administering a gerrymandered statelet.

Yawn

getzls · 23-05-2012 12:29am

woodoo wrote: »

None of the Scandinavian countries are still here administering a country.

Fixed that for you.:cool:

Happy Monday · 23-05-2012 12:42am

CajunPenguin wrote: »

Barely anyone in Mainland Britain wants NI to stay in the UK, 41% are for a United Ireland 21% are Unionists and the rest don't care. These are numbers from 2007 I think and the feeling of anti-Unionism will only have increased since then. IMO the current government should make a push for negotiating over the North like Argentina did with the Falkands, it would give them a huge popularity boost. Obviously people will complain "there's much more important stuff, the economy blah blah blah" but Irish people consistently vote different to their pre election opinions. Everyone seems to hate Sinn Féin, so why are there so many Shinners in government?:rolleyes: I would like to see a United Ireland, but if I do it'll probably be when I'm really old. Too many people work for the British establishment up there to take the whole thing back

How did Argentina negotiate over the Falklands?

People on the British mainland want NI to remain while the majority in NI want the same.

VinLieger · 23-05-2012 12:02pm

I know nobody in my circle of friends or relatives and very few outside that who think it would be a good idea to "re-unify" ireland in the next 30 years. The problems it would cause would be immense if forced through or seen to be forced through by a minority of people, it would kick off another round of horrific violence that would very likely spread alot further south than any previous problems.
And then theres the whole point of the republic is too politely put it completely broke and the last time i checked the British government had to pump a few billion a year into the north to keep it running.

whitelines · 23-05-2012 2:24pm

CajunPenguin wrote: »

Barely anyone in Mainland Britain wants NI to stay in the UK, 41% are for a United Ireland 21% are Unionists and the rest don't care. These are numbers from 2007 I think and the feeling of anti-Unionism will only have increased since then. IMO the current government should make a push for negotiating over the North like Argentina did with the Falkands, it would give them a huge popularity boost. Obviously people will complain "there's much more important stuff, the economy blah blah blah" but Irish people consistently vote different to their pre election opinions. Everyone seems to hate Sinn Féin, so why are there so many Shinners in government?:rolleyes: I would like to see a United Ireland, but if I do it'll probably be when I'm really old. Too many people work for the British establishment up there to take the whole thing back

I have rarely seen a poster get his facts as badly wrong as that!

British Social Attitudes:

(The British Social Attitudes survey is the primary social research survey in Britain)

http://www.britsocat.com/BodySecure.aspx?control=BritsocatMarginals&var=NIRLNDSC&SurveyID=24

2008 Results:

"Do you think the long-term policy for Northern Ireland should be for it to Remain part of the UK or ..."

Remain part of The UK: 56%
Unify with the rest of Ireland: 44%

As for the trends:

Note: 2007/2008 Results not present on graph.
It would appear that support for Northern Ireland's position in UK amongst mainland British is strengthening over time, not weakening.

is it time for another boundary commission

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