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Paul Sommerville on Vincent Browne tonight....

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  • #52
    Duke Leonal Felmet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭Duke Leonal Felmet


    onekeano wrote: »
    WOW that's interesting.... sounded to me that people like Constantine Gurdgive, Brian Lucey and David McWilliams to name but a few did not think that Paul was out of his depth.......so much so that they gave up their time to support his campaign presenting at publin meetings and dropping leaflets at weekend but maybe they are out of their depth too?

    Roy

    Another argument from authority. No wonder you love him so...


  • #53
    Blowfish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,112 ✭✭✭Blowfish


    Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »
    I saw him on VB, he looked out of his depth on economic issues. I should know a thing or two about this, it is my profession, after all.
    It's also Sommerville's profession. He worked for Delta Index (head of private clients) and also spent years advising investment banks in Japan. He most definitely knows how the market works.


  • #54
    Duke Leonal Felmet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭Duke Leonal Felmet


    Blowfish wrote: »
    It's also Sommerville's profession. He worked for Delta Index (head of private clients) and also spent years advising investment banks in Japan. He most definitely knows how the market works.

    Really? Didn't seem like that. I guess he is crap as getting his ideas across, then.


  • #55
    Duke Leonal Felmet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭Duke Leonal Felmet


    onekeano wrote: »
    WOW that's interesting.... sounded to me that people like Constantine Gurdgive, Brian Lucey and David McWilliams to name but a few did not think that Paul was out of his depth.......so much so that they gave up their time to support his campaign presenting at publin meetings and dropping leaflets at weekend but maybe they are out of their depth too?

    Roy

    By the way, McWilliams endorsed Dylan Haskins.

    ROFL


  • #56
    vallo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭vallo


    Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »
    I saw him on VB, he looked out of his depth on economic issues. I should know a thing or two about this, it is my profession, after all.
    Pots and kettles anyone??:D:D:D
    Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »
    Unless I didn't understand the 'nuances' in his argument. All he had to offer were other peoples arguments, which he seems to have misunderstood. When Antoin Murphy disagreed, Sommervilles response was like: 'Well, Joseph Stiglitz said it, so who would you believe, a nobel prize winner or you (antoin)?' That is an argument from authority, which is the tactic of those who don't have an argument of their own. Glad to clear that 'nuance' up for you, it was an easy mistake to make, in fairness...
    So his quoting an authority one time out of all his appearances on VB and on radio and in his town hall meeting means that he can be discounted??
    Ridiculous.


  • #57
    Duke Leonal Felmet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭Duke Leonal Felmet


    vallo wrote: »
    Pots and kettles anyone??:D:D:D


    So his quoting an authority one time out of all his appearances on VB and on radio and in his town hall meeting means that he can be discounted??
    Ridiculous.

    I knew someone would fall into that trap eventually, thanks for that. Mine wasn't an argument from authority, but we both know that you wouldn't listen to my explanation for why it isn't, don't we? So I can spare myself that wasted effort.

    Anyway, the people have spoken, and Sommerville is not in the Dail. He was deemed unfit for a seat. Get used to that fact.


  • #58
    onekeano
    Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭onekeano


    Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »
    I knew someone would fall into that trap eventually, thanks for that. Mine wasn't an argument from authority, but we both know that you wouldn't listen to my explanation for why it isn't, don't we? So I can spare myself that wasted effort.

    Anyway, the people have spoken, and Sommerville is not in the Dail. He was deemed unfit for a seat. Get used to that fact.

    Well Duke, have to say, whatever you are on.... it's great stuff!

    Roy


  • #59
    Duke Leonal Felmet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭Duke Leonal Felmet


    onekeano wrote: »
    Well Duke, have to say, whatever you are on.... it's great stuff!

    Roy

    I applaud your enthusiasm, Roy. You work hard. At least you have that.

    P.S: Sommerville was deemed inadequate. Accept it.


  • #60
    vallo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭vallo


    Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »
    I knew someone would fall into that trap eventually, thanks for that. Mine wasn't an argument from authority, but we both know that you wouldn't listen to my explanation for why it isn't, don't we? So I can spare myself that wasted effort.
    So if he had (like you just did) simply said "I am economist so you should implicitly trust me" then that would have been okay?
    Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »
    I should know a thing or two about this, it is my profession, after all. ."
    By saying that "you should know", you are claiming authority ... otherwise why bring it up? Am I supposed to think "oooh a guy on the internet is in the profession so Somerville must be wrong?" Get a grip.
    You've also conveniently ignored the point that you are dismissing him based on one sentence of one contribution.
    Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »
    Anyway, the people have spoken, and Sommerville is not in the Dail. He was deemed unfit for a seat. Get used to that fact.
    Yes I know that he didn't win a seat. Why state the obvious? Surely lots of good people didn't get elected and lots of crap people did. Like in all elections. What have you got against people discussing the whys and wherefores the outcome of the election? This is a discussion board.
    And the whole "get used to it" line is just so .... juvenile.


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  • #61
    Duke Leonal Felmet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭Duke Leonal Felmet


    vallo wrote: »
    So if he had (like you just did) simply said "I am economist so you should implicitly trust me" then that would have been okay?

    By saying that "you should know", you are claiming authority ... otherwise why bring it up? Am I supposed to think "oooh a guy on the internet is in the profession so Somerville must be wrong?" Get a grip.
    You've also conveniently ignored the point that you are dismissing him based on one sentence of one contribution.

    Yes I know that he didn't win a seat. Why state the obvious? Surely lots of good people didn't get elected and lots of crap people did. Like in all elections. What have you got against people discussing the whys and wherefores the outcome of the election? This is a discussion board.
    And the whole "get used to it" line is just so .... juvenile.

    The only reason I mentioned it was to say why I thought he was so weak on economic issues. How else would I know if I didn't have my educational and work experience? I realise a load of toss is spouted about the field on this forum by people with no education in economics, so I wished to state that I wasn't one of them. But it wasn't the thrust of my argument because with or without my credentials it doesn't change the fact that Sommerville was useless, when I saw him. My credentials make no difference to that outcome but they did help me see through his babble.

    I guess I just wanted to sidestep the inevitable 'what would you know about economics' line. Silly me to introduce such confusion to an already complex argument... :rollys:

    So, no argument from authority was made, you are clearly confused on this matter. If you want an example of arguments from authority, look no further than your failed hero Sommerville.

    All the best.

    Duke.


  • #62
    Marcusm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,430 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    cock robin wrote: »
    I dont think Paul Sommerville is an idiot. Was his father not Dr.Michael Sommerville of NTMA fame. The man who refused to invest in Anglo Irish cos he knew it was bollixed. He is more pationate than any politician and I have seen him almost moved to tears as he witnessed the erosion of our once healthy economy. Who are the "people with expertise" to whom you refer, I was under the impression that P.Sommerville and his ilk are those "people" and that they have continually been ignored. A celebrity he most certainly is not and the single biggest issue we must deal with is the countries finances.

    Given the history of Eoghan Murphy's grandfather Russell, it might not be best to ascribe ancestral abilities. In any event Michael Somers is not related to Paul Summerville.


  • #63
    vallo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭vallo


    Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »
    ... because with or without my credentials it doesn't change the fact that Sommerville was useless ...
    Okay, so now we are getting somewhere. Sommerville was useless and you are "in the profession" so that is that. The discussion ends there?
    Let me ask you, does real life work for you like that?
    Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »
    So, no argument from authority was made, you are clearly confused on this matter. If you want an example of arguments from authority, look no further than your failed hero Sommerville.
    Geeze - I really do seem to be getting more confused on this issue! But luckily you have more examples of this kind of thing from Sommerville. Let's hear them.


  • #64
    Duke Leonal Felmet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭Duke Leonal Felmet


    vallo wrote: »
    Okay, so now we are getting somewhere. Sommerville was useless and you are "in the profession" so that is that. The discussion ends there?
    Let me ask you, does real life work for you like that?


    Geeze - I really do seem to be getting more confused on this issue! But luckily you have more examples of this kind of thing from Sommerville. Let's hear them.

    I win.


  • #65
    vallo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭vallo


    Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »
    I win.

    Yes you do.
    In your bizarre parallel universe:D


  • #66
    Laminations
    Registered Users Posts: 4,693 ✭✭✭Laminations


    Duke, so what were the problems with Somervilles economic analyses, in your professional opinion. And please spell it out for us non-economist mortals, no throwaway statements like 'he was wrong'.

    If I was asked to choose between someone who has decent verifiable credentials, who puts forth his ideas with passion, who puts himself forward to try and make a difference... and someone who posts anonymously on a niche politics website under a ridiculous moniker, well the decision is obvious, unless of course you can articulate a rational rebuttal of his points.


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