Game of Thrones - Season 2 [MAJOR SPOILERS FOR ALL 5 BOOKS/US EPISODES - SEE POST 1]

5starpool · 21-04-2012 8:39pm

Dades wrote: »

15, I think. But given everyone's age seems to have been increased by a factor, I very much doubt the reeds will be kids. Anyway, I've just read in a couple of places their storyline won't be kick-started until Season 3.

They are going to have to change things around a bit not introducing them until season 3, although given where Bran's story goes I wouldn't be surprised with some changes for the tv show.

Playboy · 22-04-2012 9:59am

I'm very disappointed with some of the direction of the show. They are failing to recreate the sense of epicness that the books do and that the LOTR managed to translate to its movies. We need to see more shots of places .. aerial shots of the iron islands, kings landing etc We also need to see them create a feeling of time passing .. Aryas trip to the wall for instance, we get no sense of how long or hard that journey is. She could be 5 miles or 500 miles from Kings Landing for all it shows in the show.

ixoy · 22-04-2012 11:23am

Playboy wrote: »

I'm very disappointed with some of the direction of the show. They are failing to recreate the sense of epicness that the books do and that the LOTR managed to translate to its movies. We need to see more shots of places .. aerial shots of the iron islands, kings landing etc

All of this costs money. The show is very expensive and you can't compare it to a multi-million dollar movie like LotR and have some of the same expectations. That's why battles have to be small or even off screen. It's annoying but that's the limits of a TV production.

We also need to see them create a feeling of time passing .. Aryas trip to the wall for instance, we get no sense of how long or hard that journey is. She could be 5 miles or 500 miles from Kings Landing for all it shows in the show.

While I understand where you're coming from and agree, how would you establish this? A montage sequence? A sign saying "Two months later"? An arrow moving across the map in the style of Indiana Jones?

It's a difficult one to manage in the time frame of a TV show. If you kept cutting to different scenes of Arya struggling then you'd also need to do the same to the other story-lines to keep the narrative going.

23-04-2012 5:36pm

You could do a couple "we've been on the road for weeks!" complaints or angry "we're still x miles from the wall", but it would only work once or twice

OwaynOTT · 23-04-2012 6:02pm

Or
Episode 1
'This huge block of cheese is to do us to the wall.' said Yoren

Episode 4
'Oh look the cheese is half ate.' observed Arry

23-04-2012 6:08pm

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Or
Episode 1
'This huge block of cheese is to do us to the wall.' said Yoren

Episode 4
'Oh look the cheese is half ate.' observed Arry

lol

Zapp Brannigan · 23-04-2012 11:20pm

Shadow baby!

me-skywalker · 25-04-2012 5:22pm

Did anyone get that felling once Yoren started to reel off his backstory that things were gonna end for him pretty soon? I enjoyed his portrayal.

I'm enjoying the scenes of Theon. In the books they're undisclosed. Shows us how his eagerness to impress his family and become his own man has amounted to nothing, its a great visual impact to draw more live into the character for his 'turn'. Btw I think Alfie Allen is leading the Grammy nominations this season so far.

Does anybody think the Dinklage's accent slips every so often or that he tends to assume portions of the accent of the charaacter he's in a scene with.

Dades · 25-04-2012 10:14pm

Mrs Dades is officially *out* of Game of Thrones. The last episode put her over the edge. I had to watch loads of it with the volume down. She's over the torture bits and prostitute beating.

Next week I shall be watching it privately on the iPad. :pac:

me-skywalker · 25-04-2012 11:35pm

Dades wrote: »

Mrs Dades is officially *out* of Game of Thrones. The last episode put her over the edge. I had to watch loads of it with the volume down. She's over the torture bits and prostitute beating.

Next week I shall be watching it privately on the iPad. :pac:

How visualy graphic is it? Might have to give a warning myself.

Sleepy · 26-04-2012 10:04am

It's not graphic on either tbh

fitz · 26-04-2012 11:47am

me-skywalker wrote: »

I'm enjoying the scenes of Theon. In the books they're undisclosed. Shows us how his eagerness to impress his family and become his own man has amounted to nothing, its a great visual impact to draw more live into the character for his 'turn'. Btw I think Alfie Allen is leading the Grammy nominations this season so far.

Eh...all of the Theon stuff this season was covered in the books...did you speed-read them or something?

me-skywalker · 26-04-2012 12:36pm

fitz wrote: »

Eh...all of the Theon stuff this season was covered in the books...did you speed-read them or something?

Its has been years since I read them, but I don't ever remember reading Theon writing then buring a letter or being reconsecrated to the Drowned God. I don't remember in the books Martin describing Theon's torment about the plans with his father and being visually/openly angry with him, at least not at this stage of the story. They're definitely added scenes. I enjoyed them, they added to his character and got him more centrally prominent and the Greyjors for that matter.

fitz · 26-04-2012 2:42pm

The letter and "drowning" were hardly significant additions, and really only served to visualise thoughts that Theon would have had in the books that can't be conveyed on TV. They've been extremely faithful to his character imo.

me-skywalker · 26-04-2012 4:48pm

fitz wrote: »

The letter and "drowning" were hardly significant additions, and really only served to visualise thoughts that Theon would have had in the books that can't be conveyed on TV. They've been extremely faithful to his character imo.

Yet additions nonetheless. As it turns out we both agree they add to his character and enhance what happened in the book and yet it is undisclosed in the book. Did you speed watch the episode?

Funglegunk · 26-04-2012 11:06pm

The "drowning" scene appears in the books. The letter scene does not.

Sleepy · 26-04-2012 11:14pm

Aye, but from my reading of it, the Damphair was actually drowning people and reviving them via CPR in the books.

Dades · 27-04-2012 10:48am

Sleepy wrote: »

It's not graphic on either tbh

Depends on your sensibilities! The implication of a rat in a bucket eating it's way out through your guts is worse to some people than seeing an ol' leg chopped off.

Sleepy wrote: »

Aye, but from my reading of it, the Damphair was actually drowning people and reviving them via CPR in the books.

Aye, that's what I remember. None of this wetting your head catholic-style nonsense.

Damphair was a bit more hardcore than that!

TheIrishGrover · 27-04-2012 11:50am

Dades wrote: »

Depends on your sensibilities! The implication of a rat in a bucket eating it's way out through your guts is worse to some people than seeing an ol' leg chopped off.

+1 to this. Suggestion and sounds can often be far more impactful than actually showing something. Found that whole section hard to watch (as indeed it was in the book)

Aye, that's what I remember. None of this wetting your head catholic-style nonsense.

Damphair was a bit more hardcore than that!

Yeah, he went full old school Mel Gibson Catholic.

Sleepy · 27-04-2012 11:58am

Dades wrote: »

Depends on your sensibilities! The implication of a rat in a bucket eating it's way out through your guts is worse to some people than seeing an ol' leg chopped off.

Language discrepancy I think 'graphic' to me means how much of the incident is displayed on screen. e.g. a graphic version of the rat scene would show either the damage wrought by the rat or an 'in bucket' view of the "action".

Aye, that's what I remember. None of this wetting your head catholic-style nonsense.

Damphair was a bit more hardcore than that!

Glad I hadn't misconstrued that. One of the few things I liked about the Damphair

Dades · 27-04-2012 2:03pm

Sleepy wrote: »

Language discrepancy I think 'graphic' to me means how much of the incident is displayed on screen. e.g. a graphic version of the rat scene would show either the damage wrought by the rat or an 'in bucket' view of the "action".

Technically not graphic perhaps, yes. But I suspect the type who tentatively enquires as to how "graphic" something is would also want to be forewarned about such implied horrors.

I could watch fake limbs flying off all day, but I found myself seriously squirming at that rat thing.

me-skywalker · 27-04-2012 3:45pm

Well when I asked how graphic I guess I was looking to know is it visual on screen and is it overtly aggressive...

For example lets take an easy medieval battle sequence: a movie can take 2/3 routes.
It can show a man swing the axe towards the head then switch to the next shot and the head is rolling on the ground. For me, to be graphic it would take the same scene and show the axe actually taking the man's head off and falling the ground.

Not sure if that define's it for everybody but for me it sums it up.

Dades · 27-04-2012 4:46pm

There was a nice intestines shot last week, if I recall...

Just as we were tucking into dinner.

conor.hogan.2 · 27-04-2012 10:02pm

So people had not problems with them implying the slaughtering of children but a bit of rat torture was a bit too graphic?

Raging_Ninja · 28-04-2012 1:57pm

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

So people had not problems with them implying the slaughtering of children but a bit of rat torture was a bit too graphic?

Sometimes, not showing can be more effective than showing because your imagination can run wild.

Also, on a limited budget it might just end up looking fake, and rather than having the intended shock effect it looks comical.

Dades · 04-05-2012 5:10pm

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

So people had not problems with them implying the slaughtering of children but a bit of rat torture was a bit too graphic?

No, my Mrs had a fit at the implied baby murder too, and ran into the kitchen.

Of course I watched last Monday's episode on my iPad - and there was barely a drop of blood, and not a boob or a rat in sight. Typical!

Reviews and Books Galore · 08-05-2012 12:26am

Ser Rodrik!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek::(

"“Hush now child, I'm off to see your father.”:(
The only scene from the series that I wish was in the books.
(Well actually I don't for plot reasons...but yeah, still a brill scene for directing and writing)

Dades · 11-05-2012 10:29am

I think the lad playing Theon Greyjoy is going to be this years Dinklage at the Emmys.

And I can't wait for (the all new) Reek!

Sleepy · 11-05-2012 10:43am

It's amusing to look at the lyrics to the song 'Alfie' at this point: looks like he took his sister Lily's advice to heart!

11-05-2012 3:07pm

Sleepy wrote: »

It's amusing to look at the lyrics to the song 'Alfie' at this point: looks like he took his sister Lily's advice to heart!

huh. You learn something new every day.

Game of Thrones - Season 2 [MAJOR SPOILERS FOR ALL 5 BOOKS/US EPISODES - SEE POST 1]

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