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  • #152
    Steve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    The forum rules thread has been revised, new version is here:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056698847

    If you spot any errors or obvious omissions then please let us know here. :)


  • #153
    thurman
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭thurman


    Steve nice improvements and clarifications but how can boards ebforce these rules about honouring your committment to buy\sell realistically? Twice now I've had people dick me about with the same item for sale, offering and agreeing to make payment or meet and not showing up or not bothering to pay and a week later withdrawing, a suspension for multiple occurances seems like its not really a scantion after all they can just set up a new account can they not?

    Also what right does boards have to enforce prices? If someone is willing to offer more than someone else or offer more than the current asking price then why should we as sellers not take the better offer? I know its not ebay but still we should have the right to accept any offer regardless of price unless we make an agreement with someone first. So if I'm selling for 50 and someone offers 50 but someone offers 55 I should have the right to take the highest bid if I want to


  • #154
    Steve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    Hi,
    thurman wrote: »
    Steve nice improvements and clarifications but how can boards ebforce these rules about honouring your committment to buy\sell realistically? Twice now I've had people dick me about with the same item for sale, offering and agreeing to make payment or meet and not showing up or not bothering to pay and a week later withdrawing, a suspension for multiple occurances seems like its not really a scantion after all they can just set up a new account can they not?
    Two things there:
    1. If you report when this happens then we'll take note of it or issue warnings for timewasting. If someone does it on an ongoing basis and / or ignores the warnings then they get banned.

    2. If they create a new account, it's not long before the system picks them up and they then get banned from all of boards, not just the adverts forum. Re-reg hunts are part of the job as a mod so to speak.
    Also what right does boards have to enforce prices? If someone is willing to offer more than someone else or offer more than the current asking price then why should we as sellers not take the better offer? I know its not ebay but still we should have the right to accept any offer regardless of price unless we make an agreement with someone first. So if I'm selling for 50 and someone offers 50 but someone offers 55 I should have the right to take the highest bid if I want to
    Boards has absolutely no right to dictate what price you sell your items for, nor do we ever try. It's up to you to pick what you think is a fair price and stick to that, nobody is forcing you to drop it.

    We do, however, have the right to enforce a set of rules that have been proven to work as a fair method of community based selling for over 8 years now.

    If you want an auction, go to ebay/donedeal/buyandsell/add/dodo/deals/youtrade/eireads/onandgone/sellsellsell amongst the hundreds of other adverts sites up there and deal with all the scammers, timewasters, heavy breathers ringing the phone number you publish, nutjobs, lack of mods that give a crap and, in most cases, you actually have to pay them for the privilege of listing your ads there and availing of their excellent services.

    If you want to use this forum, you are most welcome to do so for free, the only condition is you follow our rules. If you feel the rules don't suit you then, as I said, there are hundreds of other places you can sell your stuff - best of luck with that. :)


  • #155
    thurman
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭thurman


    Steve wrote: »


    Boards has absolutely no right to dictate what price you sell your items for, nor do we ever try. It's up to you to pick what you think is a fair price and stick to that, nobody is forcing you to drop it.

    if we accept a lower offer and that deal falls though then in my opinion that lower asking rice is no longer valid. it was a price agreed through two individuals and as that deal is not on teh able it should IMO revert to teh original asking price as the agrement for teh lower price no longer exists. at teh end of the day if teh buyer cant be forced to pay that lower price after they have backed out why should we be forced to now sell at that lower price because of some tyre kicker?


    I also think that if someone withdraws a day or two after an agreement is reached then ok they are given teh benifit of teh doubt but to make an agreement and withdraw a week or two later? that's just dicking people about and tehy acocunt shouldnt be watchd, immediate scanctions should be put in place.

    i agree its your site your rules but you cant enforce one set of rules and not another. if i'm forced to sell at a lower agreed selling price even though that deal has fallen through then the original purchaser should be forced to pay me the agreed price any not allowed to withdraw. if they are allowed to withdraw then teh seller should be allowed to put the price back to teh original asking price. its only fair. and at leas a seller who has had is time wasted wont feel hard done by

    as for auctions, if someone is willing to pay more then why shouldnt we be allowed to sell once we're not backing out of a previous agreed sale?


  • #156
    Steve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    thurman wrote: »
    if we accept a lower offer and that deal falls though then in my opinion that lower asking rice is no longer valid. it was a price agreed through two individuals and as that deal is not on teh able it should IMO revert to teh original asking price as the agrement for teh lower price no longer exists. at teh end of the day if teh buyer cant be forced to pay that lower price after they have backed out why should we be forced to now sell at that lower price because of some tyre kicker?


    I also think that if someone withdraws a day or two after an agreement is reached then ok they are given teh benifit of teh doubt but to make an agreement and withdraw a week or two later? that's just dicking people about and tehy acocunt shouldnt be watchd, immediate scanctions should be put in place.

    i agree its your site your rules but you cant enforce one set of rules and not another. if i'm forced to sell at a lower agreed selling price even though that deal has fallen through then the original purchaser should be forced to pay me the agreed price any not allowed to withdraw. if they are allowed to withdraw then teh seller should be allowed to put the price back to teh original asking price. its only fair. and at leas a seller who has had is time wasted wont feel hard done by
    Look, I'm taking all this on board - that's the point of this thread.
    I agree that timewasters are a pain in the nuts and we possibly need to come down harder on them. It's going to be a matter of finding a way of doing it so that is fair to everyone involved.

    Leave this with me and I'll discuss it with the other mods, in the meantime if anyone else has opinions on it then feel free to offer them. :)
    as for auctions, if someone is willing to pay more then why shouldnt we be allowed to sell once we're not backing out of a previous agreed sale?
    That's not up for discussion at all, sorry, we tried it years ago on adverts.ie and it was a massive failure.


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  • #157
    ShadowFox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ShadowFox


    thurman wrote: »
    if we accept a lower offer and that deal falls though then in my opinion that lower asking rice is no longer valid. it was a price agreed through two individuals and as that deal is not on teh able it should IMO revert to teh original asking price as the agrement for teh lower price no longer exists. at teh end of the day if teh buyer cant be forced to pay that lower price after they have backed out why should we be forced to now sell at that lower price because of some tyre kicker?


    I also think that if someone withdraws a day or two after an agreement is reached then ok they are given teh benifit of teh doubt but to make an agreement and withdraw a week or two later? that's just dicking people about and tehy acocunt shouldnt be watchd, immediate scanctions should be put in place.

    i agree its your site your rules but you cant enforce one set of rules and not another. if i'm forced to sell at a lower agreed selling price even though that deal has fallen through then the original purchaser should be forced to pay me the agreed price any not allowed to withdraw. if they are allowed to withdraw then teh seller should be allowed to put the price back to teh original asking price. its only fair. and at leas a seller who has had is time wasted wont feel hard done by

    as for auctions, if someone is willing to pay more then why shouldnt we be allowed to sell once we're not backing out of a previous agreed sale?
    I agree with the point that if you accept a lower offer that you should be able to put it back to full price in the event of a tyre kicker unless a 2nd / 3rd ect buyer comes along willing to go next in line within say a day or 2
    I also agree with the point that time wasters should be kicked out for even a week or two to teach them a lesson I know how the op feels it happened me a couple of times
    With regards to taking a higher bid i find that unfair to the person that offers the asking price you state if you want a higher price state it in your ad and dont lower it
    No matter where you go there will always be chancers either buying or selling
    I have noticed that the mods are after these people very quickly of late fair play to them .... but you have to remember they volunteer here and cant see everything that goes on and a little help from the rest of us makes it a better place to buy and sell your stuff


  • #158
    thurman
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭thurman


    Ok I'll accept the bidding bit grudgingly :) . If someone offers the asking price you put up then done deal unless there's a compelling reason not to acccept this persons offer. Ie you've had bad history with them or there's evidence they're a bad buyer. Buy maybe you need to support your refusal or pm a mod to state why you won't deal. But that's extra hassle for the mods.

    But that aside if some offers your asking then you should accept that. But if you strike a deal for a lower price and that falls down then it should go back to the original price unless you as the op specifically state you are dropping the asking price.

    In my case I dropped my price as I needed cash to fund something else so I wanted a quick sale. Now a month on my need isn't there so I'm not willing to take a lower price. Hence why I've withdrawn the sale now.

    Not sure about the next in line bit hadn't considered it to be honest. Ok I can see the point that if you accept a lower price and someone goes next in line that they're assuming its next in line at that price. But according to the rules you can refuse any offer so can you refuse the next in line at the lower price? If it reverted back to the original price and someone was next in line then I can see that causing confusion or may cause people not to go next in line and cause a loss of sales etc. Tough call I guess.


  • #159
    Inari
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭Inari


    Do you honestly believe anyone would offer more, when there's evidence of you having agreed a lower price? I wouldn't, and nor would most others. If you agreed a price of €50 on your thread with another user, and they backed out and you put your price back up, I'd simply quote the part of "Deal agreed @ €50" and offer you that. Sure you could say no, but I think you'd be shít-out-of-luck on getting more, hence why the lower price becomes asking.

    It also stops sellers dicking around buyers, in my opinion. Rules have to be here where money is involved, and they must be stringent. No one can make anyone pay for anything. Boards.ie is not a Gestapo made up of muscle-bound bounty hunters, so they're not in a position to knock on the time-waster's door and shake him by the ankles until the money drops out. It's part and parcel of selling gear. Personally I like adverts.ie methods, and whereas Airsoft Adverts is a little...ineffective, the rules are sound in my opinion...it's just unfortunate that it's filled with people who haven't a clue about worth, value or depreciation :(


  • #160
    ShadowFox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ShadowFox


    Inari wrote: »
    Do you honestly believe anyone would offer more, when there's evidence of you having agreed a lower price? I wouldn't, and nor would most others. If you agreed a price of €50 on your thread with another user, and they backed out and you put your price back up, I'd simply quote the part of "Deal agreed @ €50" and offer you that. Sure you could say no, but I think you'd be shít-out-of-luck on getting more, hence why the lower price becomes asking.

    It also stops sellers dicking around buyers, in my opinion. Rules have to be here where money is involved, and they must be stringent. No one can make anyone pay for anything. Boards.ie is not a Gestapo made up of muscle-bound bounty hunters, so they're not in a position to knock on the time-waster's door and shake him by the ankles until the money drops out. It's part and parcel of selling gear. Personally I like adverts.ie methods, and whereas Airsoft Adverts is a little...ineffective, the rules are sound in my opinion...it's just unfortunate that it's filled with people who haven't a clue about worth, value or depreciation :(
    But if theres something on sale in a shop say €75 a month after the sale i go into the shop and the same item is back to full price of say €100 I cant say im only paying €75 as thats all it was last month ill be told hard luck it€100 now take it or leave it


  • #161
    MurtB32
    Registered Users Posts: 15 ✭MurtB32


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  • #162
    Steve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    grapeape wrote: »
    But if theres something on sale in a shop say €75 a month after the sale i go into the shop and the same item is back to full price of say €100 I cant say im only paying €75 as thats all it was last month ill be told hard luck it€100 now take it or leave it
    Ok, have you actually read what you just said?

    In the shop you'd be told to take a hike wheras here the price must be honoured.

    Which is better?


  • #163
    ShadowFox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ShadowFox


    Steve wrote: »
    Ok, have you actually read what you just said?

    In the shop you'd be told to take a hike wheras here the price must be honoured.

    Which is better?
    Depends if your the buyer or the seller


  • #164
    thurman
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭thurman


    @inari I see your point and as a buyer I'd act just as you have suggested. The reason I brought it up was. Someone offered me 75 then backed out almost 2 weeks after agreeing to buy. Then someone offered 80. Two weeks after that they backed out so I posted that it was back on sale. Steve then posted that the price was 75. I personally don't agree. I think the asking price stays at the original asking and its up to anyone interested in buying to make a lower offer, if the offer the price that previously fell through as most would then that's fine its up to me to say yay or nay, but boards shouldn't dictate that the price is now the lower price.

    @grapeape everything you say is right under retail law etc but then making a commitment to purchase in writing as happens here could also legally be considered a contract and if we start going down that road then we'll find stuff not being sold.

    Can I ask why boards and not adverts is used? Is it a legal thing or just the "no knives" thing of adverts that prevents it?


  • #165
    sharpy2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭sharpy2010


    @ Thurman
    If what your saying is true then in effect yourself and that other user have already offered above the new asking and you accepting counts as profiteering.
    But that aside as a seller (and I've never sold anything on boards only traded) you have rules on this forum that you accepted when you create your account like you would on any other site and as much as we are given the option here to discuss said rules we can't keep bringing it up. How would you feel if boards brought in the system your interested in but your role is reversed as the buyer and you offer asking on an item and someone comes in and says I'll give you something plus cash that works out as a better deal for the seller. I would hazard a guess you would feel hard done by as you offered asking.
    With regards people pricing things on boards is a different matter as what seems to be common practice these days is "well I know I'm gonna get a few tyre kickers" so when they make their add "I'm gonna ask for €100 but accept €75 and sure if I get €80 sure how bad it's money in my pocket", so how about under the charter you close that thread and create a new one and ask €80 and don't go any lower or put more info into 1st post like will only sell to over 18, meet up only, no post, no trade, etc., etc. Should get rid of alot of tyre kickers and time wasters.
    I'm based in cork myself so when I see someone from up the country stipulate meet up only cash only I dont even bother enquiring so if you have had problems with your thread it's probably because it wasn't well laid out or explained. It's like you wanna buy a car off the Internet, would you wanna buy a car that has 2 pics and says drive like new or one that has 12 and details as long as this post?
    Not having a go at you bud but have seen alot of threads pop up lately that are very badly laid out and yet it has been asked numerous times for a kind of format to use like in other forum websites and only recently did a rough template get drawn up (thanks Steve)
    So rather than pick on the one bad egg from one thread as I have seen the user your on about pullout from one or 2 sales and in one he gave a reason as to why he did, I understand it must be frustrating to finally have your item sold and that money already spent and then have someone pull out but I have also had offered on many items in the past and never received more from the seller after he accepting offers I can think of 3 such cases in the last 12 months, so take it on the chin and learn from it


  • #166
    TommyKnocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭TommyKnocker


    I am a buyer on the Airsoft Adverts forum and personally I think that the current rules are fine. I am with Inari here, there is no way I am offering a price higher than was offered to another poster for a particular item. Also it is hard enough to keep track of asking prices at present between multiple sales threads, items being offered in other wanted or "for trade" threads, without the asking price being raised back to the original asking price each time a deal falls through. Personally I thinks this would drive folks away from the forum.

    And I don't think you can compare buying from a shop in a sale to buying second hand off an online site.

    Again, personally as I buyer, when I see something advertsied that I may be interested in, I will look at a number of things before I make an offer.
    • I will check the number of posts the advertiser has on Boards.ie and how active the are on the Airsoft forums. I would be very wary of dealing with anybody with a low post count or new to the forum.
    • I will then check any other sales threads that they had to see how they conducted themselves.
    • I will then look in the feed back thread to see if and what type of feed back the have received previously.
    • I will also check for posts in other posters wanted/for trade threads to see if the item has been offered at a cheaper price anywhere else.
    • Finally I perfer to deal face to face, so the seller would need to be somewhere where a meet up could be arranged and be prepared to meet half way.
    If I was selling I would perform the same checks and try to ensure that I am dealing with somebody reputable (i.e. been on boards for a while, active on the Airsoft forum and with good feedback).

    Also I would have 3 prices in mind for the item I was selling.
    • My asking price. This would include wiggle room for negotiations.
    • The price I hope to get. This would be what I considered to be a fair price for the item I am selling, given its condition, age etc.
    • My rock bottom price. The least amount I would be prepared to accept for this item. If I am bargained to this point, this will be my cutoff.
    It can be just as frustrating as a buyer when you find an item for sale on the forum for a higher price than it has been purchased for previously on the forum. Or items being advertsied as in "perfect" condition but on further questioning you find out that this is not actually the truth, or worse still, you find out after you get home and have handed over your money. Or items being withdrawn with no explanation or even being marked as sold, where the sale occurred off thread (to a mate or other).

    So buyers are not the only ones who can be mucked about, and I think the Airsoft forum provides a great resource for buying/selling/trading Airsoft equipment. The onus is on all of us, buyers and sellers to spend some time and do a little research into who we are dealing with. This I feel might cut out/down on the bad experiences. And if you are messed about by anybody, then report it to the Moderators and leave feed back outlining your experience with that poster. That way the reputable buyers and sellers help each other out.


  • #167
    sharpy2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭sharpy2010


    Totally agree with tommy knocker here we as users can make this forum better


  • #168
    thurman
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭thurman


    sharpy2010 wrote: »
    @ Thurman
    If what your saying is true then in effect yourself and that other user have already offered above the new asking and you accepting counts as profiteering.
    no because the original asking price was not reached, and though the lower price was agreed with one person, that contract was voided by their not completing the sale. as no new contract has been entered into teh original price stands. Also if said item is being sold at less than i originally purchased (in my case over €100 new) then i cant be profiteering from the sale. in theory.
    sharpy2010 wrote: »
    But that aside as a seller (and I've never sold anything on boards only traded) you have rules on this forum that you accepted when you create your account like you would on any other site and as much as we are given the option here to discuss said rules we can't keep bringing it up.
    actually we can keep bringing up the rules, thats why this is a feedback thread if we couldnt keep brining it up there would be no feedback thread.

    sharpy2010 wrote: »
    How would you feel if boards brought in the system your interested in but your role is reversed as the buyer and you offer asking on an item and someone comes in and says I'll give you something plus cash that works out as a better deal for the seller. I would hazard a guess you would feel hard done by as you offered asking.

    like i said, i aqccept the no bidding thing, if askin is offered then unless the seller has a compelling reason to refuse then it goes to the first person offering the asking price. now if i wear the hat of a buyer as you suggest and given your example yes i may feel hard done by, IF i had offered the full selling price. but if i wear the hat as a seller and I have two offers that come in one shortly after the other, then I personally feel I should be allowed accept either offer. the rules suggets otherwise and so be it.

    @Tommyknocker. I take you points and if i have any items to buy/sell from now on I'll follow it. I have acted as a buyer here and to be frank its been a good experience, One item was recieved within a day or so, and the other teh seller has agreed to wait for me to meet him as i was away on vacation.
    sharpy2010 wrote: »
    Totally agree with tommy knocker here we as users can make this forum better .

    i find this statement bizar, because unless i misunderstood you, in your response to me you said i shouldnt be bringing stuff up, but how can we as users make it better if we cant raise what we see as an issue? like i said i may have misunderstood your previous statement.


  • #169
    sharpy2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭sharpy2010


    Sorry now to bud if you read the title this is how to improve the forum not keep questioning the rules
    As for you you paying 100 and never using doesn't mean you get 100 and as the rules state that if you accept a lower offer that becomes the new asking so in affect you accepting the next offer is profiteering but I'd they came so close together two weeks apart I think you said then ya that's really close so I find your statement bizarre
    So my statement about making this a better forum in the how to improve forum really puts it in context


  • #170
    thurman
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭thurman


    sharpy2010 wrote: »
    Sorry now to bud if you read the title this is how to improve the forum not keep questioning the rules
    but isnt questioning of the rules and seeing if there is a better way not an avenue to improving something? otherwise we'd all still be living in caves or thinking the world was flat. questionoing the established rule set is a valid form of feedback last time i checked. it may not be in your view but it is in a lot of other peoples.
    sharpy2010 wrote: »
    As for you you paying 100 and never using doesn't mean you get 100 and as the rules state that if you accept a lower offer that becomes the new asking so in affect

    im aware its the rules, I'm asking if this should be the case, you believe it does, others agree with you. I on the other hand do not believe it should be so. So i guess we'll have to disagree on that matter. the rulese here have come about after many tweeks, I'm asking if this particular one needs further tweeking. you call it a question i call it constructive criticism which is a valid form of feedback.

    sharpy2010 wrote: »
    you accepting the next offer is profiteering
    actually the definition of profiteering is the making excess profits on goods in short supply through manupliation of price. as there was no manipulation of price ie i sell it above the current advertised selling price as set down by the owner, in this case me and as there is a ready supplie ire through retailers then i cant by definition be profiteering.
    I may be in breach of the established rules as laid down by this site, but then my question comes into play again. does this single rule need tweeking? some of you believe no, some yes. I've raised the questuions its up to the mods to discuss it and come back with a response. its not for you to decide if i can or can not ask the question or to even invalidate the question because its not the "ye olde ask questions thread"
    sharpy2010 wrote: »
    but I'd they came so close together two weeks apart I think you said then ya that's really close so I find your statement bizarre

    i think a two week gap of no activity on an item is a long period considering items sell within hours of being put up on this site.

    i think we'll just have to agree to disagree here


  • #171
    sharpy2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭sharpy2010


    I think we can definatley agree to disagree.:D
    But just in relation to you saying Im deciding things Im not I was just mentioning the rules, so it was boards who decided that.
    I know what profiteering means but boards have also outlined there definition too, and I was stating theirs.
    I'm not against you as I dont see two sides of the fence here ( we are two users with different views):D
    As you said some people see changes needed I think we have all the tools to do it right ourselves and that is what I meant by my statement that only we can make it better kind of like the tidy towns thing you know:) and as this is a forum how can boards know what to do if we dont discuss things from all sides if they changed everything to suit everyone everytime this place would get very confusing.:)
    Now I can understand we want to make improvements but the whole thing here on adverts is that if you settle for a lower price with someone and they fall through then that is your new asking as its only fair you as the OP have the right to refuse his offer in the 1st place if you deem it too low, and as i said reverse the roles you wanted something someone had that someone had agreed to sell two weeks later that guy pulls out are you gonna pay full asking or are you gonna pay what the other guy was paying?
    I understand at the time you were probably frustrated over the guys pulling out but just look at it from all angles.
    On a different note I dont think I have ever had my name mentioned in the user feedback thread as a good buyer:mad: and as I have stated I have been buying off boards for over 2 years so how do you know if im a good buyer :confused:that thread seems to be full of this is a good seller or bad buyer none of the good buyer or bad selller -maybe one or two of each but not many (cos I personally wont offer on something and head to pms with a guy arrange meet ups and then not have the dignity to respond its just bad practice, as I stated earlier in the past 12 months or so I have bid on items agreed sales headed to pms to have no response and this is from mixed people here one of these a very regurlar poster).
    Now I could go and head over to the feedback thread and name and shame these people but why I just wont deal with these people again and yes as a member I should inform the community about these people but on the other hand none of the dozens of people I have dealt with have ever named me either.
    So here begins bad practice from myself also:o but I dont feel the need to go and change the forum rules to suit myself. The rules state If your gonna sell it here its here only but what about forcing people to sell stuff that they change their mind about, when I first started using here a guy posted a joblot of small things and I offered asking on it but he got other offers on stuff if he split so he decided too as he was making a profit but I reported it and got everything but how would you feel as the Op? or as the buyer? I still got everthing I wanted but there was a few users upset that I got the bits and pieces and the OP lost money so who wins there? Ive learned from this experience and thats all I was stating to you as the user 'be more specific' in your adds.:)
    I'm not telling you what to do just trying to tell the same story from another angle so that an informed decision can be made for everyone:)


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  • #172
    thurman
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭thurman


    @sharpy I guess a lesson is learned then, not to accept a price too low unless your assured of the sale ie someone with good feedback etc. but like you've said some folks dont leave feedback especially about someone buying that pays on time and collects on time. that could be used as an indication though, ie no one posted anything bad, youve been involved in a lot of purchases ergo youre a good buyer. but some may not make that leap i guess. I'll tell ya what, if i ever sell you anything I'll give you glowing praise :D

    i guess the rules in place now have evolved though years of trial and error where as i'm here only a few weeks, this is my first attempetd sale and its fallen through twice so from my view based on my experience the lower price rule sucks. But i can see the flip side, i mean if i was buying something and soneones deal fell through like you and inari have said i wouldnt offer more so i guess that rule makes sense. it more a rule to add clarity to the price and not a dictation of the price. should have thought about that.

    i think its unfortunat that we cant use adverts.ie because at least there is a feedback system built in , so buyers and sellers can leave it and are reminded afer a transaction is completed. so its something i always do. even here I've been involved in 2 purchases, one completed one not as i'm just waiting to collect, in the completed case i've left feed back on the seller, and will do the same when i collect the last item as this guy has been very flexible agreeing to hold an item til i return from holiday, not sure if anyone will leave for me though.

    i guess you live and learn. dont accept a price you're not happy with even for a quick sale. and check out the guys history


  • #173
    sharpy2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭sharpy2010


    Thats all I was trying to say buddy
    I have been burned aswell but it can go both ways
    I once asked on this thread could it be like adverts or ebay or facebook and have a like dislike type button or ratio even. rather than have a feedback thread to go through have link on someones profile to the like/dislike/feedback type thing. same we can thank a post can we thank a poster


  • #174
    ShadowFox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ShadowFox


    The main thing that needs to be done here is to figure out a way to stop the time wasters / tyre kickers / pains in the backside we figure out some way of doing this and it sorts everything
    But the only way to do this is if everyone sticks together and refuse to deal with them as the mods hands are tied to a certain code of conduct within boards.ie
    This is why we need the airsoft adverts section locked kick out the time wasters and we have a good site with the other rules that are in place
    I myself have pulled out of a couple of deals over the years but Ive never arranged to meet someone and never shown up as ive had this happen to me 4 or 5 times and it does drive you mad
    As for the double bumping or not adding the fps this is a way to get a free bump as the mod will post on thread and you get moved up the line If there is no fps lock the thread If they double bump within 24 hours lock the thread for 24 hours If they place a for sale ad then a wanted ad lock all their threads for 24 to 48 hours this should stop it from happening and make these people follow the rules


  • #175
    sharpy2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭sharpy2010


    Ok then when we get rid of the windowlickers Ill name and shame the regurlar posters who have totally blanked posts and pms yet they can still post here reguraly and seem like an upstanding member of our community.


  • #176
    ShadowFox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ShadowFox


    sharpy2010 wrote: »
    Ok then when we get rid of the windowlickers Ill name and shame the regurlar posters who have totally blanked posts and pms yet they can still post here reguraly and seem like an upstanding member of our community.
    There is times when using boards.ie on your phone and even on your computer that you dont get an alert to say you have a new post or pm that was the old boards the new one seems to be working much better so far again this is not the case for everyone of the posts but some of them


  • #177
    sharpy2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭sharpy2010


    I understand that as it has happened once or twice to me but the one Im on about in particular I have contacted more than once and bumped his thread up a few times questioning this and I am not the only one so I would love to give people the bvenefit of the doubt but sometimes you have to admit defeat and realise this guy is a punk


  • #178
    ShadowFox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ShadowFox


    sharpy2010 wrote: »
    I understand that as it has happened once or twice to me but the one Im on about in particular I have contacted more than once and bumped his thread up a few times questioning this and I am not the only one so I would love to give people the bvenefit of the doubt but sometimes you have to admit defeat and realise this guy is a punk
    Again if no contact with the seller for say 3 days lock the thread until they contact a mod as we can all be busy or away if you have a thread up for a long time


  • #179
    sharpy2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭sharpy2010


    again lesson learned and ill take that on board and move forward with it


  • #180
    thurman
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭thurman


    I've seen a few threads where people have offered asking and nothing from the op or they've asked for pics or what not and the same has happened. I guess we should maybe report this if we encounter it and have them locked or maybe have a mod email the op, I think vbulletin allows a mod email a user from the moderator control panel.


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  • #181
    Steve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    Guys, thanks for all this feedback, it really is good to hear all sides of this from both new and experienced users.

    I think this is possibly the best advice posted so far on the matter:
    TommyKnocker wrote: »
    Also I would have 3 prices in mind for the item I was selling.
    • My asking price. This would include wiggle room for negotiations.
    • The price I hope to get. This would be what I considered to be a fair price for the item I am selling, given its condition, age etc.
    • My rock bottom price. The least amount I would be prepared to accept for this item. If I am bargained to this point, this will be my cutoff.


    Basically, if you're not happy to sell to EVERYONE at a certain price then hold your ground and don't drop it.

    As for timewasters, this is covered in the rules here:
    Steve wrote: »
    Honour your commitment to buy or sell.

    As a Buyer, you are committed:
    • To honour your commitment to buy or sell (continuous retractions from accepted offers may result in account suspension).

    When you see or are subject to breaches of this rule, please report it to us and we will investigate it. We can't and don't read every post on every thread, we rely on the community to bring it to our attention.
    thurman wrote: »
    Can I ask why boards and not adverts is used? Is it a legal thing or just the "no knives" thing of adverts that prevents it?
    Primarily because it violates the adverts.ie 'no weapons' rule. Similarly there are forums on boards for archery equipment and real steel firearms.

    Also, if, as you said, you've used adverts.ie, you'll already know that the exact same rules on asking price apply there. :)

    Again, thanks to all for the feedback, that's what the thread is for and we take it all on board.


  • #182
    onedowg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭onedowg


    To improve this forum you need to make an selection of ads in mobile website. As for now you can see is it for trade, wanted, sale ad.


  • #183
    Steve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    onedowg wrote: »
    To improve this forum you need to make an selection of ads in mobile website. As for now you can see is it for trade, wanted, sale ad.
    Not sure what you mean there..

    Do you mean you want to select only [for sale] ads or whatever like you can do in the full version of boards?


  • #184
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Steve wrote: »
    onedowg wrote: »
    To improve this forum you need to make an selection of ads in mobile website. As for now you can see is it for trade, wanted, sale ad.
    Not sure what you mean there..

    Do you mean you want to select only [for sale] ads or whatever like you can do in the full version of boards?
    I thinks he means when viewing boards on a mobile device you only see threads as say gbb ,glock ,1911 ,or m4 or AK ,not gbb for sale or wanted or to trade its a pain having to read every new thread just to find the basic thread info ,you don't even get access to the report icon when on certain mobile devices.
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  • #185
    sharpy2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭sharpy2010


    We can't even filter themobipe ads to find what we are looking for. Sure you can do a search but not like on the pc version where you can place filters in.


  • #186
    Steve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    Gatling wrote: »
    I thinks he means when viewing boards on a mobile device you only see threads as say gbb ,glock ,1911 ,or m4 or AK ,not gbb for sale or wanted or to trade its a pain having to read every new thread just to find the basic thread info ,you don't even get access to the report icon when on certain mobile devices.
    Ah, OK, I get you now.

    The prefixes work on m.boards.ie but not on touch.boards.ie.

    It's not something I have any control over as it's a site dev issue.

    I've asked about it here:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79900114&postcount=258
    sharpy2010 wrote: »
    We can't even filter themobipe ads to find what we are looking for. Sure you can do a search but not like on the pc version where you can place filters in.

    As above, this is a site dev issue, feel free to ask in the site development forum if they've any plans to improve the UI.


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  • #187
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Thanks Steve ,never thought about that seriously have to explore boards.ie outside of the airsoft forum ,
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  • #188
    ShadowFox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ShadowFox


    How come the MOD for another part of boards didnt get a warning for asking for a pm here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056725579 ?? if it was anyone else they would have got a warning this is not the first time ive seen MODs from other parts of boards breaking the rules and nothing being said :eek:


  • #189
    Steve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    grapeape wrote: »
    How come the MOD for another part of boards didnt get a warning for asking for a pm here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056725579 ?? if it was anyone else they would have got a warning this is not the first time ive seen MODs from other parts of boards breaking the rules and nothing being said :eek:
    Post moved from rules questions to feedback..

    Personally, I don't think that post warranted more action than it received. If you have some examples of what you are talking about then feel free to send them on and I'll take a look. :)


  • #190
    ShadowFox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ShadowFox


    Steve wrote: »
    Post moved from rules questions to feedback..

    Personally, I don't think that post warranted more action than it received. If you have some examples of what you are talking about then feel free to send them on and I'll take a look. :)
    You answered my question there steve ill leave it at that thanks for your time (sorry i posted it on the wrong thread )


  • #191
    Steve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    That seems too easy. I'm interested in how you interpreted my answer...?


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  • #192
    ShadowFox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ShadowFox


    Steve wrote: »
    That seems too easy. I'm interested in how you interpreted my answer...?
    I asked a question you gave me an answer its grand


  • #193
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,121 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    hey,
    In your guidelines on using Paypal as a method of buying items, it is stated...

    "Use PayPal
    While there is a charge for the usage of PayPal, it provides a user-friendly interface between you and your credit card company, and is a welcome alternative to giving your credit card number to the seller! In the event of a problem, PayPal can make use of the fraud protection system of your credit card company and get your money back. We recommend that you get a name and landline number on the off chance that a dispute arises."

    What should also be highlighted for posters here is that if you send a payment marked as a "gift" Paypal may decline to get involved.

    The reason the seller may request this is because less fees are payable that way.

    However, Paypal deem the transaction to be one of a private nature and whilst they did get involved once some time ago, I am currently liasing with them requesting that they intervene in an attempt to recover monies paid to MurtB32, about whom I will also be posting in the "feedback" thread. They have said however their previous assistance was "out of courtesy" and that strictly speaking, they are not permitted to get involved.

    I just thought I'd bring that to your attention.


  • #194
    ShadowFox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ShadowFox


    everlast75 wrote: »
    hey,
    In your guidelines on using Paypal as a method of buying items, it is stated...

    "Use PayPal
    While there is a charge for the usage of PayPal, it provides a user-friendly interface between you and your credit card company, and is a welcome alternative to giving your credit card number to the seller! In the event of a problem, PayPal can make use of the fraud protection system of your credit card company and get your money back. We recommend that you get a name and landline number on the off chance that a dispute arises."

    What should also be highlighted for posters here is that if you send a payment marked as a "gift" Paypal may decline to get involved.

    The reason the seller may request this is because less fees are payable that way.

    However, Paypal deem the transaction to be one of a private nature and whilst they did get involved once some time ago, I am currently liasing with them requesting that they intervene in an attempt to recover monies paid to MurtB32, about whom I will also be posting in the "feedback" thread. They have said however their previous assistance was "out of courtesy" and that strictly speaking, they are not permitted to get involved.

    I just thought I'd bring that to your attention.
    You will have an address through the paypal account type it into the on line phonebook you might be lucky and get a landline number that you can call this worked for me in the past hopefully it will work for you


  • #195
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,121 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    grapeape wrote: »
    You will have an address through the paypal account type it into the on line phonebook you might be lucky and get a landline number that you can call this worked for me in the past hopefully it will work for you

    Thanks for that, however, there doesn't appear to be any address attached or visible to his paypal account :confused:

    Fingers crossed paypal pull through for me on it..


  • #196
    Steve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    everlast75 wrote: »
    What should also be highlighted for posters here is that if you send a payment marked as a "gift" Paypal may decline to get involved.

    The reason the seller may request this is because less fees are payable that way.
    Good point there - I've not used paypal a whole lot so didn't know about this.
    I'll add it to the guidelines.
    I just thought I'd bring that to your attention.
    Thanks, appreciate the feedback. :)


  • #197
    Steve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    Guidelines amended, thanks again.

    Can you let me know if I worded that right seeing as you guys have used it more than me? :)


  • #198
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,121 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Steve wrote: »
    Guidelines amended, thanks again.

    Can you let me know if I worded that right seeing as you guys have used it more than me? :)

    Perfect, thanks Steve.


  • #199
    Just a Plinker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,977 ✭✭✭Just a Plinker


    Postage why is it such an issue, I live in the arsehole of nowere and I can get to a post office. I do think that it is up to the person buying the item If he or she wants to travel to inspect it, Or pay for postage be it reg or normal, Maybe the seller should have the option on insisting on reg post but that can be agreed on thread , If you won't post it you should not be able to sell it here, As for things getting damaged if the buyer pays for reg post there is insurance on it, And as for big items M99's M82's etc the seller can explain that it might have to be broken down to post it, Thats my two bobs worth lol


  • #200
    ShadowFox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ShadowFox


    Just a Plinker wrote: »
    Postage why is it such an issue, I live in the arsehole of nowere and I can get to a post office. I do think that it is up to the person buying the item If he or she wants to travel to inspect it, Or pay for postage be it reg or normal, Maybe the seller should have the option on insisting on reg post but that can be agreed on thread , If you won't post it you should not be able to sell it here, As for things getting damaged if the buyer pays for reg post there is insurance on it, And as for big items M99's M82's etc the seller can explain that it might have to be broken down to post it, Thats my two bobs worth lol
    Ive sent and received loads of items through the post i dont see a problem with it if its something big ill only send reg post but the likes of small cheap items there is not much point as postage would be more than the item. I also find it very annoying when people wont post


  • #201
    TommyKnocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭TommyKnocker


    Just a Plinker wrote: »
    Postage why is it such an issue, I live in the arsehole of nowere and I can get to a post office. I do think that it is up to the person buying the item If he or she wants to travel to inspect it, Or pay for postage be it reg or normal, Maybe the seller should have the option on insisting on reg post but that can be agreed on thread , If you won't post it you should not be able to sell it here, As for things getting damaged if the buyer pays for reg post there is insurance on it, And as for big items M99's M82's etc the seller can explain that it might have to be broken down to post it, Thats my two bobs worth lol

    My 2 cents on postage:

    I don't think that folks should be banned from selling because they can't/won't post, and I can understand their reasons.

    Personally I only buy on the forum at present and while I don't mind buying new items via post from the retailers I would only buy 2nd hand items in person.

    If I offered something for sale I would like the buyer to inspect it before parting with their cash to ensure that they were happy with the item. I would possibly make an exception for small items.

    Also I don't drive, I work 5 days a week from around 06:45 to 16:00-17:00 and my job is around 10 miles from my home, so 2 busses each day both into and home from work. So my options would be to only be able to post items on a Saturday, or bring the item on two busses into work and 1 bus back into town in the evening and try and make it to the GPO to post. I am sorry, but this is way too much hassle AFAIAC. So for the above reasons, I would be a "collection only" seller and I don't think I or others like me should be blocked from selling on the forum because of this.


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