Go Safe Camera Van living in Navan!

bladespin · 16-08-2015 12:17pm

Avatar MIA wrote:

It will when you get your 2 points notification in the post.

How so? It will only serve to irritate rather than change behaviour even then the legality is highly questionable, remember these vans are supposed to be a visible deterrent not a trap hence their livery, it could be worth seeing what a judge would think about concealment considering Gosafe doesn't have the best standing in the courts already.

Avatar MIA · 16-08-2015 3:56pm

bladespin wrote: »

How so?

2 points on your licence and possibly increased insurance cost.

You do realise you only points for exceeding the speed limit.

That the speed vans are hidden is more likely to be effective in getting people to slow down.

It's not rocket science.

Good luck with your class action law suit agains the Go-Safe vans.

Vego · 16-08-2015 7:03pm

I thought the vans were ment to be clearly visible even from a distance to encourage safe driving ...surely if it's hidden away and seen at the last minute it would lead to say one in every three drivers breaking hard and in a dangerous way

Vego · 16-08-2015 7:13pm

So there is a precedent set of a judge throwing out speeding fines due to the vans parking directly behind a speed sign .....as is the one in Johnstown

"Justice Department demand answers after 17 Go Safe speeding cases dismissed,
Serious questions have been raised over the validity of speeding prosecutions brought to court following the use of Go Safe vans after a judge threw out another 17 cases yesterday.

The Department of Justice has asked gardaí for a new report into the operation of Go Safe traffic cameras after Judge Sean MacBride dismissed all 17 prosecutions brought before him at Monaghan District Court.

The judge said he believed “the chain of evidence was inherently flawed” and there were “defects in the serving of the summonses”.

The judge also said he would be dismissing all such cases in his court area, which covers Cavan and Monaghan.

A Department of Justice spokesman said that “the department can confirm that it has asked the Garda authorities for a report on the cases dismissed today by Monaghan District Court”.

Judge MacBride also claimed the Go Safe vans were often operating just inside or outside 30km/h zones, in places where detecting offences was like fishing in a “goldfish bowl”, adding the ‘Go Safe’ operation was actually “bringing the law into disrepute”."

bladespin · 16-08-2015 8:17pm

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Good luck with your class action law suit agains the Go-Safe vans.

Don't need a class action suit (BTW this is Ireland not America, an individual can challenge here), simply challenging the summons in court is your right here, there have already been numerous cases (if not more) of GoSafe penalties thrown out of court here.

Challenge to GoSafe
No luck needed, they have a very specific mandate and entrapment and/or dirty tricks is not part of it.

Avatar MIA · 16-08-2015 8:20pm

bladespin wrote: »

Don't need a class action suit (BTW this is Ireland not America, an individual can challenge here), simply challenging the summons in court is your right here, there have already been numerous cases (if not more) of GoSafe penalties thrown out of court here.

Challenge to GoSafe
No luck needed.

Then challenge it and report back. Either way you are likely to change your behaviour due to the hassle (at the very least) of having to challenge how you were caught speeding.

BTW, I'm not defending Go-Safe's clandestine endeavours, but they ARE having an impact other than collecting money.

bladespin · 16-08-2015 8:34pm

Avatar MIA wrote: »

BTW, I'm not defending Go-Safe's clandestine endeavours, but they ARE having an impact other than collecting money.

What impact are they having? I spend quite a lot of time on the road and can see no change in behaviour bar the warning flashes which does seem to have improved camaraderie among drivers.

Avatar MIA · 16-08-2015 8:40pm

bladespin wrote: »

What impact are they having? I spend quite a lot of time on the road and can see no change in behaviour bar the warning flashes which does seem to have improved camaraderie among drivers.

Even the flashing of the lights is getting people to slow down. BTW, people flash people that are deemed driving too fast and people slow down thinking there are Go-Safe vans up ahead.

Your self survey is of little use.

bladespin · 16-08-2015 8:47pm

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Even the flashing of the lights is getting people to slow down. BTW, people flash people that are deemed driving too fast and people slow down thinking there are Go-Safe vans up ahead.

Your self survey is of little use.

How about the RSA published statistics then??? Fatal accidents have risen each year since their introduction, ya sure they're having an effect on driving.

ZENER · 16-08-2015 8:50pm

According to GoSafe these vans are positioned in areas where there is a high record of accidents. I've driven the N4 right to Sligo where for the last few miles there are white crosses every few meters marking deceased drivers but not once have I seen a GoSafe camera there.

Ken

Avatar MIA · 16-08-2015 8:50pm

bladespin wrote: »

How about the RSA published statistics then??? Fatal accidents have risen each year since their introduction, ya sure they're having an effect on driving.

Do I think people slow down because there could be the possibility of Go-Safe fans. 100%. You'd be a fool not to, especially if you've got people flashing at you.

Whether that means the roads are safer is a separate issue. I'm saying they are having an effect, which is contradicting a post that said they had no effect.

bladespin · 16-08-2015 9:41pm

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Do I think people slow down because there could be the possibility of Go-Safe fans. 100%. You'd be a fool not to, especially if you've got people flashing at you.

Whether that means the roads are safer is a separate issue. I'm saying they are having an effect, which is contradicting a post that said they had no effect.

Well there are a lot of fools on the road.

Speeds are up, collisions and fatalities are up too so these things are a failure, their primary objective is to reduce speeding and thereby improve road safety, there's a clue in their name 'GoSafe', it's simply not happening,
there is no seperate issue.

I'm all for improving road safety, I have a vested interest in this, but hiding these things in already safe areas and behind signs is silly, they would be much better served sticking them at the actual scene of the crashes not miles away - there is a stretch on this road just outside Dunshaughlin that is notorious for crashes but it's not there, it's behind a sign post near a set of lights in Navan, right road, wrong place???

How about outside a school even? I've witnessed some eegit behaviour passing Skryne School but it's not there either, we could do with one near St. Olivers too, the lights and school there do little to slow people down, it's pure luck there hasn't been a fatality but there has been plenty of crashes but no, it's not there either, the list goes on.

Avatar MIA · 16-08-2015 9:43pm

bladespin wrote: »

Well there are a lot of fools on the road.

Speeds are up, collisions and fatalities are up too so these things are a failure, their primary objective is to reduce speeding and thereby improve road safety, there's a clue in their name 'GoSafe', it's simply not happening,
there is no seperate issue.

I'm all for improving road safety, I have a vested interest in this, but hiding these things in already safe areas and behind signs is silly, they would be much better served sticking them at the actual scene of the crashes not miles away - there is a stretch on this road just outside Dunshaughlin that is notorious for crashes but it's not there, it's behind a sign post near a set of lights in Navan, right road, wrong place???

How about outside a school even? I've witnessed some eegit behaviour passing Skryne School but it's not there either, we could do with one near St. Olivers too, the lights and school there do little to slow people down, it's pure luck there hasn't been a fatality but there has been plenty of crashes.

I'm not defending Go Safe one bit. And they do park near the main primary school near us... when the school is on a break.

Little CuChulainn · 17-08-2015 5:21pm

bladespin wrote: »

How about the RSA published statistics then??? Fatal accidents have risen each year since their introduction, ya sure they're having an effect on driving.

Speed isn't the only cause of fatal accidents. The Garda force has been cut by nearly 1500 since 2011 so it's a bit presumptive to be putting blame on GoSafe vans not having an effect.

ZENER wrote: »

According to GoSafe these vans are positioned in areas where there is a high record of accidents. I've driven the N4 right to Sligo where for the last few miles there are white crosses every few meters marking deceased drivers but not once have I seen a GoSafe camera there.

You mean the M4?

highdef · 17-08-2015 6:38pm

The M4 ends shortly after Kinnegad, heading westbound. It's the N4 after that, unfortunately.

bladespin · 20-08-2015 9:55am

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Speed isn't the only cause of fatal accidents. The Garda force has been cut by nearly 1500 since 2011 so it's a bit presumptive to be putting blame on GoSafe vans not having an effect.

Bit presumptive saying I'm blaming GoSafe, just pointing out that they are not having the great effect some might think they are.

Go Safe Camera Van living in Navan!

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