James McClean

Leejo · 12-02-2012 2:37am

Mezcita wrote: »

Managerial honours:

Ireland
Nations Cup (1): 2011

Ah here. You're not counting that. I'm not letting you.

Corholio · 12-02-2012 2:52am

Mezcita wrote: »

Managerial honours:

Juventus
Italian League (6): 1976–77, 1977–78, 1980–81, 1981–82, 1983–84, 1985–86
Italian Cup (2): 1978–79, 1982–83
European Cup (1): 1984–85
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1984
UEFA Cup (2): 1977, 1993
European Super Cup (1): 1984
Intercontinental Cup (1): 1985
Internazionale
Italian League (1): 1988–89
UEFA Cup (1): 1991
Bayern Munich
German League (1): 1996–97
German Cup (1): 1997–98
German League Cup (1): 1996–97
Benfica
Portuguese League (1): 2004–05
Red Bull Salzburg
Austrian League (1): 2006–07
Ireland
Nations Cup (1): 2011

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Trapattoni#Managerial_honours

It is interesting to note he's only won 2 of those trophies in what you might call the modern era, the Portugese and Austrian leagues. Not taking away from his acheivements, but sometimes he does act as if he is a bit behind the times.

Orando Broom · 12-02-2012 3:50am

Leejo wrote: »

Ah here. You're not counting that. I'm not letting you.

Why not? There are an extremely limited number of international trophies you can win. It was put in front of him and he won it.

Lapin · 12-02-2012 6:17am

NiallSparky wrote: »

Not really likely if he's not making the friendly squads.

Bad decision not to pick him for the friendly.

But it doesn't mean he won't make the Euros either.

Trap needs some kick up the árse medicine here.

McClean is on fire.

cournioni · 12-02-2012 10:07am

With Best out injured for the rest of the season there is a chance that he might just sneak into the squad...

Dean820 · 12-02-2012 1:11pm

Best wasn't going to be picked anyway.

briany · 12-02-2012 2:49pm

double GG wrote: »

So We're only bringing Given, Dunne and Keane?

Don't forget Valeri Aleksanyan. He scored that great goal for Ireland to open proceedings in the home game V. Armenia.

12-02-2012 7:07pm

Mezcita wrote: »

Managerial honours:

Juventus
Italian League (6): 1976–77, 1977–78, 1980–81, 1981–82, 1983–84, 1985–86
Italian Cup (2): 1978–79, 1982–83
European Cup (1): 1984–85
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1984
UEFA Cup (2): 1977, 1993
European Super Cup (1): 1984
Intercontinental Cup (1): 1985
Internazionale
Italian League (1): 1988–89
UEFA Cup (1): 1991
Bayern Munich
German League (1): 1996–97
German Cup (1): 1997–98
German League Cup (1): 1996–97
Benfica
Portuguese League (1): 2004–05
Red Bull Salzburg
Austrian League (1): 2006–07
Ireland
Nations Cup (1): 2011

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Trapattoni#Managerial_honours

I never disputed his achievements in management and there is no doubt that he has currently done a fanstastic job in getting Ireland to Euro 2012 but not looking at other players is pure madness in my opinion. People keep telling me 'We havent the players' but then we get a few decent players who play regularly in the EPL liike Coleman, McCarthy and McClean who want to play for us and he wont pick them. Its mind boggling.

bobbysands81 · 12-02-2012 8:44pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Thats absolute bull. No logic to that management at all. Trap is a lazy manager who wont even attend a Premiership game. Any shrewd manager would dangle the Euro 2012 carrott in front of the up and coming players whilst at the same time keeping the existing players on their toes.

Mezcita wrote: »

Managerial honours:

Juventus
Italian League (6): 1976–77, 1977–78, 1980–81, 1981–82, 1983–84, 1985–86
Italian Cup (2): 1978–79, 1982–83
European Cup (1): 1984–85
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1984
UEFA Cup (2): 1977, 1993
European Super Cup (1): 1984
Intercontinental Cup (1): 1985
Internazionale
Italian League (1): 1988–89
UEFA Cup (1): 1991
Bayern Munich
German League (1): 1996–97
German Cup (1): 1997–98
German League Cup (1): 1996–97
Benfica
Portuguese League (1): 2004–05
Red Bull Salzburg
Austrian League (1): 2006–07
Ireland
Nations Cup (1): 2011

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Trapattoni#Managerial_honours

That's a phenomenal amount of silverware he's won... but it still doesn't negate tipp_Gunners points.

Mezcita · 12-02-2012 10:10pm

bobbysands81 wrote: »

That's a phenomenal amount of silverware he's won... but it still doesn't negate tipp_Gunners points.

My point is that based on the amount he's won, it's clear to see that Trap's methods work. It's not pretty to watch but it works.

Now, I'm not saying for a second that we are going to win the Euros. But based on the importance he places on each player knowing the system inside out he'll only stick with they guys who got us to the finals. It's obvious that there is a real sense of unity in the squad and for that reason there's no reason to radically change things around.

We can question how he doesn't go to every game or doesn't fill the team with every Irish guy who's under 23 but plays in the Premier League. But he's the one who deals with the players and knows how to get the best out of our limited squad.

The young lads will get their chance in the future.

Hannibal · 12-02-2012 10:37pm

when Trappatoni didn't pick Andy Reid he was slaughtered by the public and press, he's long been proved right.

To put it in context how bad Ireland were when Trap took over after the Staunton mess and then for us to go unbeaten through the group stage against the then current World champions in 2010 and into the playoff against France who were the then World cup runners up and bring them to extra time and to be cheated out of a penalty shootout.

We then qualify for only our second ever European championships while only losing one match and Trap is still being criticised, it's absolute madness to keep questioning every decision. We all love to see a free flowing attacking team but how far will we get against Spain and Croatia by trying to outplay them, we need to trust the manager and stick to his system.

McClean has been impressive for Sunderland so far in his 10 Premier league matches, he's not going to play ahead of Duff and McGeady. Trapattoni is not some dodgery old man, he's one of the greatest managers in the history of the modern game. His name will rank alongside Michels, Shankly, Busby, Paisley, Clough and Ferguson and he deserves some respect from our media and from our fans and to remember that we could've had Paul Jewell or Bryan Robson as manager if it weren't for Trap stepping in.

briany · 13-02-2012 3:20am

Impossible to deny that Trap has been great for Ireland but I fear that there will be a huge amount of whataboutery from the media come Ireland's exit from the Euros. It would be nice to see him give some more players ago in the warm up games but those games are also about keeping the team he's built ticking over but I doubt he'll even tinker with the players he's already picked. Will he even sub in the likes of McCarthy for these games? I respect his decision to exclude would bes from the squad but it would be a sin not to even test the less used players already on the squad, subbing them in later on because the more game time they receive, the better for them. In this run up to the tournament, I hope to see at least all outfield subs on the squad (even McShane if he goes) getting a match/half under their belts and being comfortable on the pitch playing the way Trap wants them to play.

Paully D · 20-02-2012 12:36pm

He's been drafted into the squad for the friendly against the Czech Republic.

Jax Teller · 20-02-2012 12:42pm

Woo hoo .

Was listening to Peterboroughs chairman on Keys and Gray last week saying he messed up the deal for McLean joining them .

That_Guy · 20-02-2012 12:44pm

Never mind that.

PAUL GREEN'S BEEN CALLED UP TOO. \o/

gustavo · 20-02-2012 12:45pm

Great to see yet another former LoI man in the squad.

Cypher_sounds · 20-02-2012 1:00pm

Good to hear, however trap might not even play him.

briany · 20-02-2012 1:01pm

That_Guy wrote: »

Never mind that.

PAUL GREEN'S BEEN CALLED UP TOO. \o/

Well there has to be balance.

MD1990 · 20-02-2012 1:02pm

James Mc Clean @JMcC_23 absolutely buzzin and honoured to be called up to represent my country... best feeling there is #ROI

GetWithIt · 20-02-2012 1:04pm

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2012/0220/republicofireland.html

Also,

Coletrickle88 wrote: »

Woo hoo .

Was listening to Peterboroughs chairman on Keys and Gray last week saying he messed up the deal for McLean joining them .

the Venn diagram of "things which are true" and "things Daragh McAnthony says" has a very small overlap.

theteal · 20-02-2012 1:06pm

MD1990 wrote: »

James Mc Clean @JMcC_23 absolutely buzzin and honoured to be called up to represent my country... best feeling there is #ROI

twitter is good for something afterall - my cup genuinely runeth over for the young lad

cgpg5 · 20-02-2012 1:06pm

Makes no difference he's probably 4th choice left winger in the squad anyway, shouldn't be the case but he is!

Raskolnikov · 20-02-2012 1:21pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Trap is a lazy manager who wont even attend a Premiership game.

That is just a blatant lie. Himself and Tardelli have watched several Premier League games, I believe they have watched McClean at least twice in person since the start of the year.

Paully D · 20-02-2012 1:26pm

Raskolnikov wrote: »

That is just a blatant lie. Himself and Tardelli have watched several Premier League games, I believe they have watched McClean at least twice in person since the start of the year.

True.

Him and Tardelli were at Chelsea V Sunderland and Tardelli was at Middlesbrough V Sunderland (where ironically McClean had his worst game for us by far). That's more than Capello did when he was England manager and Darren Bent was flying.

The thing that will appeal most to Trap about McClean is that he constantly works back. He's a fantastic winger to have in the sense that he can beat a man, but he's also a good defender. That's a luxury these days, usually you get someone who can beat a man or a bit of a clogger, rarely do you get both which is what McClean provides.

cgpg5 · 20-02-2012 1:38pm

This is all great and everything but barring injury McClean is not going to Poland/Ukraine, so there is no doubt that the Trap-bashers who are celebrating McClean's call up now will be out in force again come late May

ctrl-alt-delete · 20-02-2012 2:16pm

cgpg5 wrote: »

This is all great and everything but barring injury McClean is not going to Poland/Ukraine, so there is no doubt that the Trap-bashers who are celebrating McClean's call up now will be out in force again come late May

At least the lad will have spent some time with the squad, and that Trap will have a better look at him.

His only hope is injury, not many doubt that, but I'm happy Trap looks willing to prepare for that introducing a form player to the mix.

briany · 20-02-2012 3:30pm

Looking at his twitter, he's not shying away from giving it back to his detractors giving him stick over his choice to play for Ireland. Fair enough that he has give some back but I wouldn't want to be getting too entrenched in a dialogue either.

bizmark · 20-02-2012 4:02pm

briany wrote: »

Looking at his twitter, he's not shying away from giving it back to his detractors giving him stick over his choice to play for Ireland. Fair enough that he has give some back but I wouldn't want to be getting too entrenched in a dialogue either.

Dont blame him when people are calling him a rebel **** and hoping he breaks his leg tbh

briany · 20-02-2012 4:55pm

bizmark wrote: »

Dont blame him when people are calling him a rebel **** and hoping he breaks his leg tbh

Yeah but he doesn't want to get into a pointless hate match with the shower either. Best not to feed the trolls and maintain his dignity. Also, he doesn't need to entertain such thoughts with an important opportunity like this coming up.:)

bizmark · 20-02-2012 5:39pm

briany wrote: »

Yeah but he doesn't want to get into a pointless hate match with the shower either. Best not to feed the trolls and maintain his dignity. Also, he doesn't need to entertain such thoughts with an important opportunity like this coming up.:)

Thats true enough just i can see how it would be hard for a young fella to just ignore it when hes clearly quite proud and happy but your right

JP Liz V1 · 20-02-2012 6:51pm

Hope he has a great game and shows Trap why he should be going to the Euros congrats to him anyways

paddy kerins · 20-02-2012 7:33pm

Good to see him get the call up. Haven't really been able to see him too much this season but looks top notch in the games I have seen him in. Hopefully he'll actually get a run out

kevohmsford · 20-02-2012 7:39pm

Delighted he has been called up. There has been a lot of speculation that he would not be called up until World Cup qualification but he is playing so well for Sunderland at the moment.

the realpigiron · 20-02-2012 9:00pm

briany wrote: »

Yeah but he doesn't want to get into a pointless hate match with the shower either. Best not to feed the trolls and maintain his dignity. Also, he doesn't need to entertain such thoughts with an important opportunity like this coming up.:)

Someone should tell the lad to ignore the ****s. It shouldn't even be questioned if a player from the island of Ireland decides to play for the ROI team. There's a few characters in the North who need to get that into their heads, that Murray fella who works for the BBC among them. The existence of the NI soccer team is what should be under question.

Fenian Army · 20-02-2012 9:05pm

Hope he does well, as for unionists moaning about him switching, well, you reap what you sow.

briany · 20-02-2012 9:35pm

the realpigiron wrote: »

Someone should tell the lad to ignore the ****s. It shouldn't even be questioned if a player from the island of Ireland decides to play for the ROI team. There's a few characters in the North who need to get that into their heads, that Murray fella who works for the BBC among them. The existence of the NI soccer team is what should be under question.

Yeah, it's a bit of a catch 22 for the IFA in that I think they do have a right to feel hard done by, monetarily, if they put money into training a player from a young lad up to his teens at least only for him to declare for Ireland but what can they really do? Ask young children to pick their international allegiance on their first day of training with their under 10s team? Ask the parents to choose for them? Pull facilities and money away from predominantly nationalist/catholic areas? Strike a deal with the FAI? Ultimately any deal with the FAI would have to hinge on the fact that players from Northern Ireland are entitled to declare for ROI if they so wish as that right is given to them through Irish citizenship and it's not worth it to reopen old wounds and stir up a still contentious socio-political issue over something as ultimately trivial as football.

Rhys Essien · 20-02-2012 9:42pm

briany wrote: »

Yeah, it's a bit of a catch 22 for the IFA in that I think they do have a right to feel hard done by, monetarily, if they put money into training a player from a young lad up to his teens at least only for him to declare for Ireland but what can they really do? Ask young children to pick their international allegiance on their first day of training with their under 10s team? Ask the parents to choose for them? Pull facilities and money away from predominantly nationalist/catholic areas? Strike a deal with the FAI? Ultimately any deal with the FAI would have to hinge on the fact that players from Northern Ireland are entitled to declare for ROI if they so wish as that right is given to them through Irish citizenship and it's not worth it to reopen old wounds and stir up a still contentious socio-political issue over something as ultimately trivial as football.

As a peace offering,when Paul Green came knocking on the FAI's door with his Irish passport,he should have been told that Windsor Park is that way >>>>>>>>>>>>

ddogsbollix · 20-02-2012 9:52pm

every northern ireland player has the choice of playing for the republic and thats the way it should stay! Mc Clean is a fantastic player and it is in his right to play for the republic!! its such a shame that some people from the north will have a new opinion of him being a traitor. lets hope he has a great career!

POKERKING · 21-02-2012 9:56am

I am happy he is in but he prob wont get on the pitch in the friendly, trap has done similar with Coleman and Mccarthy.

Old Gill · 21-02-2012 10:35am

Shows the bigotry of large sections of the northenr support. Personally I think "Norn Iron" is a makey up country and no different to the likes of half of Leinster trying to field an international team. But thats only my opinion and I recognose that northern protestants believe the 6 counties is a "nation" and so no problem if they want a national football team. Live and let live I say. However its quite obvious the same feelings dont come the other way with the NI support demanding northern players play for a team they have no allegiance to, a "country" they dont recognise and a national anthem they abhore. Just live and let live and stop people trying to force their views onto others.

BTW I would also speculate that the "money invested" in under age players is minimal and most likely covered in grants from uefa anyway so to use this as an excuse is petty

citytillidie · 21-02-2012 10:47am

Old Gill wrote: »

Shows the bigotry of large sections of the northenr support. Personally I think "Norn Iron" is a makey up country and no different to the likes of half of Leinster trying to field an international team. But thats only my opinion and I recognose that northern protestants believe the 6 counties is a "nation" and so no problem if they want a national football team. Live and let live I say. However its quite obvious the same feelings dont come the other way with the NI support demanding northern players play for a team they have no allegiance to, a "country" they dont recognise and a national anthem they abhore. Just live and let live and stop people trying to force their views onto others.

BTW I would also speculate that the "money invested" in under age players is minimal and most likely covered in grants from uefa anyway so to use this as an excuse is petty

Well as I said before he went to school in the North so had to play school boy football in the North which is run by the IFA.

Its a bit like Ryan Giggs he went to School in England hence why he played for the England school boys.

Paul4As · 21-02-2012 10:59am

briany wrote: »

Looking at his twitter, he's not shying away from giving it back to his detractors giving him stick over his choice to play for Ireland. Fair enough that he has give some back but I wouldn't want to be getting too entrenched in a dialogue either.

McClean should just focus in on his playing on the field.
I haven't seen his twitter account...but if he is repeatedly replying to people who are giving him stick for leaving the Northernn Ireland set-up it shows a bit of immaturity on his part.

Paul4As · 21-02-2012 11:06am

Old Gill wrote: »

Shows the bigotry of large sections of the northenr support. Personally I think "Norn Iron" is a makey up country and no different to the likes of half of Leinster trying to field an international team. But thats only my opinion and I recognose that northern protestants believe the 6 counties is a "nation" and so no problem if they want a national football team. Live and let live I say. However its quite obvious the same feelings dont come the other way with the NI support demanding northern players play for a team they have no allegiance to, a "country" they dont recognise and a national anthem they abhore. Just live and let live and stop people trying to force their views onto others.

BTW I would also speculate that the "money invested" in under age players is minimal and most likely covered in grants from uefa anyway so to use this as an excuse is petty

I am certainly no bigot just because I support Northern Ireland. And I would say a large percentage of our support is not bigoted.
But there are bigots in Northern Ireland...some of which who support Norn Iron and others who support the Republic.
As for Northern Ireland is a "makey up country"...you are hilarious!

...and definitely seem to have a few issues with Irish history.
Hopefully the Northern Ireland football team does not resort to being composed of only protestants players and protestants fans. Sports should bring different people and communities together...not separate.

Fr Tod Umptious · 21-02-2012 11:17am

the realpigiron wrote: »

Someone should tell the lad to ignore the ****s. It shouldn't even be questioned if a player from the island of Ireland decides to play for the ROI team. There's a few characters in the North who need to get that into their heads, that Murray fella who works for the BBC among them. The existence of the NI soccer team is what should be under question.

If you read your history you will see that a team run by the IFA has just a much ligitmiacy as one run by the FAI.

Where there every to be a single Irish team (hopefully not) then Belfast would have a better claim to being it's headquarters than Dublin.

Rhys Essien · 21-02-2012 11:19am

Paul4As wrote: »

I am certainly no bigot just because I support Northern Ireland. And I would say a large percentage of our support is not bigoted.
But there are bigots in Northern Ireland...some of which who support Norn Iron and others who support the Republic.
As for Northern Ireland is a "makey up country"...you are hilarious! ...and definitely seem to have a few issues with Irish history.
Hopefully the Northern Ireland football team does not resort to being composed of only protestants players and protestants fans. Sports should bring different people and communities together...not separate.

For a start Northern Ireland need to get a national anthem.

Orando Broom · 21-02-2012 1:00pm

briany wrote: »

Yeah, it's a bit of a catch 22 for the IFA in that I think they do have a right to feel hard done by, monetarily, if they put money into training a player from a young lad up to his teens at least only for him to declare for Ireland but what can they really do? Ask young children to pick their international allegiance on their first day of training with their under 10s team? Ask the parents to choose for them? Pull facilities and money away from predominantly nationalist/catholic areas? Strike a deal with the FAI? Ultimately any deal with the FAI would have to hinge on the fact that players from Northern Ireland are entitled to declare for ROI if they so wish as that right is given to them through Irish citizenship and it's not worth it to reopen old wounds and stir up a still contentious socio-political issue over something as ultimately trivial as football.

How much did the IFA directly spend on James McLean's development out of curiousity?

Orando Broom · 21-02-2012 1:08pm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

For a start Northern Ireland need to get a national anthem.

OWC needs to be black listed from all IFA sanctioned events for starters. One look at their website shows where thier loyalties lie.

Look to be honest I hope the IFA and OWC and every other Northern Irish football entity stay entrenched in their beliefs. They operate for the betterment of Irish soccer. It is only a matter of time before they players are moving to play for Ireland irrespective of their religious background. The IFA and all it's associations will be the vestigal tail of Irish football within twenty years.

Paul4As · 21-02-2012 1:46pm

Orando Broom wrote: »

OWC needs to be black listed from all IFA sanctioned events for starters. One look at their website shows where thier loyalties lie.

Look to be honest I hope the IFA and OWC and every other Northern Irish football entity stay entrenched in their beliefs. They operate for the betterment of Irish soccer. It is only a matter of time before they players are moving to play for Ireland irrespective of their religious background. The IFA and all it's associations will be the vestigal tail of Irish football within twenty years.

The OurWeeCountry website has the Red Hand of Ulster centre to their homepage. That is the flag flown at Northern Ireland games. There is nothing wrong with that! What do you want a tri-colour?

As I have said before...players play for their country not to look for success...it is to represent the country they were born or their family have roots. That fact will never change.
Club football is about playing for a team that wins all the time or who pays you the more money.
The IFA will still be present and functioning perfectly well in 20 years time. We may still have a pretty poor team...but we will still be there...probably still talked about with venom by people like you.

Concentrate on your own international team and your own organisation which interferes with our kids...and stop abusing the GAWA!

aidan24326 · 21-02-2012 2:31pm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

As a peace offering,when Paul Green came knocking on the FAI's door with his Irish passport,he should have been told that Windsor Park is that way >>>>>>>>>>>>

Paul Green is not from Northern Ireland. Anyway he's one of the worst players to ever pull on an Irish jersey so the North can have him if they want.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Where there every to be a single Irish team (hopefully not) then Belfast would have a better claim to being it's headquarters than Dublin.

And why would that be now? Methinks you are just trolling with that statement.

briany · 21-02-2012 2:41pm

Paul4As wrote: »

The OurWeeCountry website has the Red Hand of Ulster centre to their homepage. That is the flag flown at Northern Ireland games. There is nothing wrong with that! What do you want a tri-colour?
As I have said before...players play for their country not to look for success...it is to represent the country they were born or their family have roots. That fact will never change.
Club football is about playing for a team that wins all the time or who pays you the more money.
The IFA will still be present and functioning perfectly well in 20 years time. We may still have a pretty poor team...but we will still be there...probably still talked about with venom by people like you.
Concentrate on your own international team and your own organisation which interferes with our kids...and stop abusing the GAWA!

I think it's better to have the Red Hand than a Union Jack but it's a perfectly valid for football fans there to wave that flag if they feel that represents them as it would be for others to wave the ROI flag. However, I believe neither should be flown in an official capacity because they would both serve to undermine the attempts to fashion a cross community team and ideally could be left out of occasions where both sets of fans come together.

I don't know what's in McClean's heart, and I don't think anyone but those close to him could. If it's a cynical thing, that he just wants to go with the team that's doing better then I don't agree with it. No international team really wants those kinds of players even if they need them but if it's out of a true sense of affiliation then he has every right to declare for Ireland and I will always view it as a perfectly valid thing to do so. Trying to keep people apart is often what drives them together and so it is for the IFA in that rather than trying to block players from switching, rather than trying to deny them that, they should be showing or attempting to show players at every level in their system and from all communities why it is better to go with NI in the first place and providing every impetus they can to make that so.

James McClean

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