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PSU motions to reduce accountability

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  • #52
    ninty9er
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,366 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    Popoutman wrote: »
    So it seems that Noonan is still being an idiot. Within 24hr of this meeting where it was obvious that the general Postgrad population was displeased with his performance and with a lot of express pointers to improve communication with the exec and other officers etc, he goes and makes an idiot of himself with the GEMS students, without consultation.

    Does this muppet think that we are idiots? The complete lack of respect for those he represents is an abysmal situation, and the sooner he goes whether by choice or not, the better.
    GEMS students are undergraduates
    Perpetual Student wrote: »
    I had heard this 2/3 recommendation before but could not recall where, had a google and came across this - an old C & S handbook but a university document none the less:

    H T T P ://ulwolves.ie/info/guides/UL%20Wolves%20-%20Rulebook.pdf

    P32 is of particular relevance in terms of the split. It looks like this recommendation was in place for a quite a long time, does anyone know when....?
    Not a university document, a clubs and societies document. When I was investigating it, neither the HEA, UL or C&S could provide the HEA document containing this recommendation. It's also worth noting that all of the 2/3 does not go directly to student activities, and if the University were to take on C&S the amount would dramatically reduce due to public sector pay scales which would apply for administrators.


  • #53
    Popoutman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭Popoutman


    Mahatma Geansai wrote: »
    So, essentially, postgrads contribute over twice as much towards C&S than undergrads.
    Mahatma Geansai wrote: »
    Postgraduate students are effectively subsidising the extra-curricular activities of undergraduate students.
    You're looking at this the wrong way. In UL. postgrads fail to utilise C&S to the same extent as undergrads, and no level-headed person could possibly consider this situation acceptable, when C&S has so much to offer the postgrad student. Postgraduate students are either unaware of, or haven't been offered, to use the C&S capabilities to the same extent as undergrads, and as such are not getting value for the money paid. This needs to change, and the best way to change that from a student perspective is to better sell C&S to the postgraduate students, vastly improving their quality of life as a student for very little personal outlay. Every postgraduate that I am aware of that has joined C&S groups has been glad to have done that with the extracurricular activities available. Diverting cash to a bank account robs postgraduate students of better facilities for their personal development and ease their time during a pressure-filled time in their lives - objectives served very well by C&S.

    I take it that you have not spent any time associating with any C&S entities over the years? I'm sure that if you had, you wouldn't have the view that you currently appear to have..

    ninty9er wrote: »
    GEMS students are undergraduates

    Yep, that's now been completely clarified as such though the course title is "Graduate Entry" implying that it is post-graduate in level. Still, Noonan has managed to put his spanner in the spokes there, even though he's had absolutely no right to, completely bypassing the pre-existing communication lines and going to a national group bypassing the student's representative on campus. He's proving himself to be an idiot and to be quite untrustworthy based on those actions.


  • #54
    ninty9er
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,366 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    Popoutman wrote: »
    Yep, that's now been completely clarified as such though the course title is "Graduate Entry" implying that it is post-graduate in level. Still, Noonan has managed to put his spanner in the spokes there, even though he's had absolutely no right to, completely bypassing the pre-existing communication lines and going to a national group bypassing the student's representative on campus. He's proving himself to be an idiot and to be quite untrustworthy based on those actions.

    GEMS was clarified quite a number of years ago.

    On a side note all postgrads are also members of ULSU, so have the support and advice of its staff and officers should they not be happy with their specific union.


  • #55
    freyners
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,300 ✭✭✭freyners


    For those of us not in the loop, what exactly did he do with the GEMS?:confused:


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