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Star Wars: The Force Awakens [** SPOILERS FROM POST 4472 ONWARD **]

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  • #4752
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,035 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    I wrote a massive reaction to the film last night and it all ****in dissapeared on me :(

    I enjoyed it. It was very surreal though.

    I only had two issues with the film really. One was the plot being overly familiar - particularly the Starkiller Base and its destruction. I felt they should have moved to new ground for this.

    I really didnt like Snoke though. A few points on him:

    ⊙ People have said there are no Sith in this film. That Ren is in training. Surely Snoke is a Sith Lord and he is training Ren?

    ⊙ Snoke appears to be in a different location and what we see in the Starkiller Base is a hologram of him. Why is the hologram so massive? That seems unneccesary, even if he is that big. Also, the hologram seemed to be on with him just sitting there like a doofus in one scene where Ren entered the chamber?

    ⊙ The CGI was poor. The faults were actually accentuated due to his size.

    ⊙ Snoke didnt carry any menace whatsoever. In fact, he went the other way and just seemed a bit silly. With Ren only beginning to become powerfull and with the First Order only growing, I felt that the 'man' behind it all had to appear more ominous - Snoke did not.


  • #4753
    py2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,844 ✭✭✭py2006


    Dear Santa...

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  • #4754
    only_kidding
    Site Banned Posts: 3 ✭only_kidding


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Not as good as revenge of the sith? I can't take anything else you say seriously

    better than attack of the clones or phantom menace


  • #4755
    Rubber_Soul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Rubber_Soul


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    ⊙ Snoke appears to be in a different location and what we see in the Starkiller Base is a hologram of him. Why is the hologram so massive? That seems unneccesary, even if he is that big.

    Is it really all that different to this?


    02.jpg


  • #4756
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,035 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Rubber_Soul wrote: »
    Is it really all that different to this?


    02.jpg

    No... But do they need a giant chamber to project a giant hologram? Its another moment where maybe the script left out a welcome surprise. He could have been projected at a regular size and therefore left a wow moment for episode IX when we see the scalenof what he is.


  • #4757
    Sad Professor
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,682 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    They are both Wizard of Oz references.


  • #4758
    Rubber_Soul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Rubber_Soul


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    No... But do they need a giant chamber to project a giant hologram? Its another moment where maybe the script left out a welcome surprise. He could have been projected at a regular size and therefore left a wow moment for episode IX when we see the scalenof what he is.

    Well they don't need it no, just like lots of things in movies don't make 100% sense. They could probably just chat on a monitor in a back office somewhere but that wouldn't look that great on screen. It's just a visual metaphor for who is in charge, the same as it was in Empire.


  • #4759
    Boo Radley
    Registered Users Posts: 485 ✭✭Boo Radley


    I've been following the reactions here for a few days now and agree with a lot of what has been said.

    I enjoyed the film quite a lot but have a few complaints. I wasn't that impressed with the whole rehashing the story from ANH. I don't think they should have followed the formula that closely. I get that they wanted to play it relatively safe after the PT and give the fans something they were familiar with but the whole Death Star Mark III thing was a bit much, even if it did look spectacular.

    My biggest complaint however is that there was a wee bit too much focus on the old characters. I would have preferred to have seen more of Poe for example. He was a great throwback to a slick male hero. Rei and Finn got lots of screen time but I'd have happily seen more of them at the expense of the older characters' screen time too.

    I'm looking forward to the sequels which will hopefully focus more on the new generation and throw a few big surprises, and more in the way of innovation, our way.

    Oh, and Kylo Ren is pretty much the perfect new lead villain. Conflicted, frustrated, and ultimately human.


  • #4760
    Red King
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Red King


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    No... But do they need a giant chamber to project a giant hologram? Its another moment where maybe the script left out a welcome surprise. He could have been projected at a regular size and therefore left a wow moment for episode IX when we see the scalenof what he is.

    Andy Serkis and the creature designer have both confirmed that Snoke is 7foot all


  • #4761
    Falthyron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Falthyron


    I was lucky enough to have seen The Force Awakens at the Empire IMAX on Leicester Square last night. This was my 2nd time seeing the movie (the 1st was Screen 1 in Liffey Valley, a midnight showing).

    Incredible experience. Far, far, better than Liffey Valley. The Empire has installed a new laser IMAX projector and the image was incredibly clear. And, it was extremely loud! :D It packed a punch that I felt Liffey Valleys screen 1 did not. Although it was a 3D showing, it didn't detract from the overall viewing experience.

    If you find yourself in London in the coming weeks, go see it at Empire or the BFI at Waterloo. You won't regret it.


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  • #4762
    py2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,844 ✭✭✭py2006


    Falthyron wrote: »
    I was lucky enough to have seen The Force Awakens at the Empire IMAX on Leicester Square last night. This was my 2nd time seeing the movie (the 1st was Screen 1 in Liffey Valley, a midnight showing).

    Incredible experience. Far, far, better than Liffey Valley. The Empire has installed a new laser IMAX projector and the image was incredibly clear. And, it was extremely loud! :D It packed a punch that I felt Liffey Valleys screen 1 did not. Although it was a 3D showing, it didn't detract from the overall viewing experience.

    If you find yourself in London in the coming weeks, go see it at Empire or the BFI at Waterloo. You won't regret it.


    I saw it in the Savoy Screen 1 and I was blown away with the picture quality and the sound. You could feel the lightsabers hum.

    I think those multiplex cinemas have poorer sound and picture quality.


  • #4763
    faceman
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    py2006 wrote: »
    I saw it in the Savoy Screen 1 and I was blown away with the picture quality and the sound. You could feel the lightsabers hum.

    I think those multiplex cinemas have poorer sound and picture quality.

    Why do you say that about multiplexes? Personally I find Screen 1 in the Savoy inferior to many multiplexes main screens.


  • #4764
    Red King
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Red King


    Sad Professor wrote: »
    I’m not ruling it out. This is Johnson’s baby now and if he wants to make Rey a Skywalker he can. But it kinda goes against Abrams’s preference for the Force being inclusive.

    Abrams:



    This harnessing of the Force that Abrams describes is exactly what Rey does in the final duel when she closes her eyes. Everyone is reading that moment as “oh that proves she is a Skywalker or has had training”, but read what Abrams says above. He doesn’t believe the Force should be tied to bloodlines, so in his mind Rey doesn’t have to be a Skywalker or have had training to be able to do what she did.

    Also consider Kennedy’s pitch to Abrams, which was very much making the film accessible to new viewers. Abrams again:



    Kennedy and Disney came up with this after Lucas and his treatments which focused on Anakin’s grandchildren (plural) departed. So Rey was not originally conceived as being related to anyone important. Of course, neither was Luke. Lucas came up with the Vader twist much later, so anything is still possible. But I think we need to stop taking it for granted that Rey has to be a Skywalker based on pretty flimsy evidence.

    I posted an interview earlier in the thread where Kennedy denied that they totally departed from Lucas' treatments.

    People keep trotting it out as if Abrams and co. have gone in a completely other direction to what Lucas intended.

    Ben Solo is evidence enough that this is simply not the case. Kennedy said that what they did do was change up the order of events and timelines of progression, and character prominence etc

    And Abrams, Kasdan and Johnson have been collaborating together on the direction of these movies for a long time. Abrams said ideas for this were moved to Episode 9 and plot points and storylines are being heavily cross-referenced so that they are all on the same page. A lot of work has gone into the overall story already.


  • #4765
    py2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,844 ✭✭✭py2006


    faceman wrote: »
    Why do you say that about multiplexes? Personally I find Screen 1 in the Savoy inferior to many multiplexes main screens.

    Oh just something I noticed. Particularly the one in Blanch. In terms of sound it doesn't pack the punch compared to the Savoy. There were times I thought my eyesight was deteriorating but I now think its the quality of the screen/projectors used.

    I stand to be corrected but I just loved the Savoy last Thurs. The old school cinema feel helped too.


  • #4766
    Sad Professor
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,682 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Red King wrote: »
    I posted an interview earlier in the thread where Kennedy denied that they totally departed from Lucas' treatments.

    People keep trotting it out as if Abrams and co. have gone in a completely other direction to what Lucas intended.

    Ben Solo is evidence enough that this is simply not the case. Kennedy said that what they did do was change up the order of events and timelines of progression, and character prominence etc

    And Abrams, Kasdan and Johnson have been collaborating together on the direction of these movies for a long time. Abrams said ideas for this were moved to Episode 9 and plot points and storylines are being heavily cross-referenced so that they are all on the same page. A lot of work has gone into the overall story already.

    I never said they abandoned all of Lucas’s ideas. I think the lightsaber was probably something he came up with. And i’m sure there was other things too that they retained. But if enough of Lucas’s ideas were used he would have received a story credit. He didn’t. Kennedy also has every reason to be diplomatic about what happened with Lucas since she was in the middle of whatever happened. Lucas on the other hand has been pretty up front that there was a change of direction that he didn’t agree with. In fact, he seems pretty pissed off about it.

    Ben Solo doesn’t disprove my point at all. He’s a villain. Where as I suspect the Lucas-approved treatments focused on Anakin’s grandchildren (plural) as protagonists. According to Abrams the characters of Rey and Finn were something he and Arndt developed after Lucas’s departure. The idea of an (unrelated) female protagonist may have been developed post-Lucas as well.

    And Abrams comments about the sequels really don’t suggest any planning for the sequels to me. Leftover ideas in the form of “oh that would be cool” don’t make a story. See Temple of Doom. And this is Abrams: he doesn’t plan stuff, not remotely.


  • #4767
    RedemptionZ
    Registered Users Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭RedemptionZ


    Enjoyed the movie overall but had one major complaint
    when Kylo Ren took off his mask and essentially started acting like Anakin 2.0. He had a strong opening but gradually just started to look weaker and weaker. I mean how could Finn hurt him with the lightsaber without any prior training? Finn had also been beaten by a storm trooper earlier in the movie, surely Ren should be able to dispatch of him with ease.


  • #4768
    Red King
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Red King


    Sad Professor wrote: »
    I never said they abandoned all of Lucas’s ideas. I think the lightsaber was probably something he came up with. And i’m sure there was other things too that they retained. But if enough of Lucas’s ideas were used he would have received a story credit. He didn’t. Kennedy also has every reason to be diplomatic about what happened with Lucas since she was in the middle of whatever happened. Lucas on the other hand has been pretty up front that there was a change of direction that he didn’t agree with. In fact, he seems pretty pissed off about it.

    Ben Solo doesn’t disprove my point at all. He’s a villain. Where as I suspect the Lucas-approved treatments focused on Anakin’s grandchildren (plural) as protagonists. According to Abrams the characters of Rey and Finn were something he and Arndt developed after Lucas’s departure. The idea of an (unrelated) female protagonist may have been developed post-Lucas as well.

    And Abrams comments about the sequels really don’t suggest any planning for the sequels to me. Leftover ideas in the form of “oh that would be cool” don’t make a story. See Temple of Doom. And this is Abrams: he doesn’t plan stuff, not remotely.

    Well what I have read in interviews with Abrams, Kennedy, Rian Johnson and Kasdan regarding the extensive planning of this trlogy suggests otherwise.

    And having watched The Force Awakens I can see tons of evidence of forward planning narrative wise.


  • #4769
    Red King
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Red King


    RedemptionZ wrote: »
    Enjoyed the movie overall but had one major complaint
    when Kylo Ren took off his mask and essentially started acting like Anakin 2.0. He had a strong opening but gradually just started to look weaker and weaker. I mean how could Finn hurt him with the lightsaber without any prior training? Finn had also been beaten by a storm trooper earlier in the movie, surely Ren should be able to dispatch of him with ease.

    Well, as several people have pointed out already, Kylo was just injured badly by Chewie's crossbow, is not a Sith Lord and is far too emotionally unstable to have the kind of control that Vader had.

    Snoke even remarks that he needs to complete his training. There is no doubt he is very powerful but as things unravel and he is thrown off by the events he is exposed as being quite vulnerable really.


  • #4770
    Radiosonde
    Closed Accounts Posts: 613 ✭✭✭Radiosonde


    Sad Professor wrote: »

    Also consider Kennedy’s pitch to Abrams, which was very much making the film accessible to new viewers. Abrams again:

    Where does the "who is Luke Skywalker" business fit in with the events of the original trilogy being so well-known? Rey even know how many parsecs the Millenium Falcon do can the Kessel run in. (On a side note, that spoiled the cute fan theory that Han's parsec slip is him deliberately making a mistake to see if Luke and Obi-Wan are as naive as he suspects).


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  • #4771
    Tilikum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭Tilikum


    Red King wrote: »
    Well, as several people have pointed out already, Kylo was just injured badly by Chewie's crossbow, is not a Sith Lord and is far too emotionally unstable to have the kind of control that Vader had.

    Snoke even remarks that he needs to complete his training. There is no doubt he is very powerful but as things unravel and he is thrown off by the events he is exposed as being quite vulnerable really.

    He's had some training though whereas the girl had absolutely no. She was able to hand him his ass. No thanks.


  • #4772
    SouthTippBass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭SouthTippBass


    Just back from a second viewing :D Heres a few things I didn't notice the first time around...
    • The number on the side of Rays (Ray? Rey? Rai?) rebel helmet is 73E. Was anyone in the original trilogy assigned that helmet?
    • When Luke touches R2D2 in the premonition, his front light turns from blue to red, so maybe luke powered him down until the time was right? (R2D2s lights might also just be random flashing so maybe not)
    • Poes X-Wing is frikin sweet. Its got a lovely orange and dark brown color scheme, which is uniqe from the rest of the blue and silver X-Wings. Hes also refered to as black leader.
    • Ray scars Kylo-Rens face pretty badly, she cuts him from jaw to forehead during their fight. Dont know how I didnt see that first time. I guess he will have a pretty big scar in VIII.
    • In the premonition/flashback sequence, Ray is left with shop keeper that dealt out the rations. Was she left on Jakku as a slave?


  • #4773
    SouthTippBass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭SouthTippBass


    Tilikum wrote: »
    He's had some training though whereas the girl had absolutely no. She was able to hand him his ass. No thanks.

    We don't know that yet though. We don't know her full history, she might have been one of the jedi Luke trained before Ben went rouge. The next movie should revel more of her backstory.


  • #4774
    Boo Radley
    Registered Users Posts: 485 ✭✭Boo Radley


    Tilikum wrote: »
    He's had some training though whereas the girl had absolutely no. She was able to hand him his ass. No thanks.

    Ha, funny you say that. The overuse of the phrase 'the girl' in the film started bugging me, especially by characters who knew her by name.


  • #4775
    Tilikum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭Tilikum


    I was so much looking forward to this movie after seeing everyone say how good it was. I went on my own today and didn't even wait for the lads to go during the week. The longer it went on, the worse it got for me. So disappointed


  • #4776
    RedemptionZ
    Registered Users Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭RedemptionZ


    Red King wrote: »
    Well, as several people have pointed out already, Kylo was just injured badly by Chewie's crossbow, is not a Sith Lord and is far too emotionally unstable to have the kind of control that Vader had.

    Snoke even remarks that he needs to complete his training. There is no doubt he is very powerful but as things unravel and he is thrown off by the events he is exposed as being quite vulnerable really.


    The crossbow could explain some of it, but this is the guy who's essentially been chosen as the top prospect, second/third in command, how does he have such poor awareness after
    killing han
    . If he is that flawed and emotionally unstable why is he in such a high ranking position?


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  • #4777
    Boo Radley
    Registered Users Posts: 485 ✭✭Boo Radley


    RedemptionZ wrote: »
    The crossbow could explain some of it, but this is the guy who's essentially been chosen as the top prospect, second/third in command, how does he have such poor awareness after
    killing han
    . If he is that flawed and emotionally unstable why is he in such a high ranking position?

    Potential and natural ability presumably. Not to mention he may be an asset in detecting/finding Rei and other folk who are strong in the force.


  • #4778
    Relikk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭Relikk


    RedemptionZ wrote: »
    The crossbow could explain some of it, but this is the guy who's essentially been chosen as the top prospect, second/third in command, how does he have such poor awareness after
    killing han
    . If he is that flawed and emotionally unstable why is he in such a high ranking position?

    The poor awareness stems from the fact that he just killed his own father while being torn between light and dark and his rank is because he's a powerful force user.


  • #4779
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    The scene we see Rey being abandoned as a baby. She has a padewan braid I think.

    Also
    That final scene. Look up the hill / slope when Luke and Rey meet. Think you can see a cave enterance.
    One of the locals said they shot a ton of stuff in that cave.


  • #4780
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Also.

    Is Luke standing at a headstone of a grave in that shot? Looks like it.
    It's even visible on the aerial shot

    Reys mothers grave?


  • #4781
    RedemptionZ
    Registered Users Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭RedemptionZ


    Boo Radley wrote: »
    Potential and natural ability presumably. Not to mention he may be an asset in detecting/finding Rei and other folk who are strong in the force.

    I just don't see the logic in putting someone in such a position of power if they're blatantly unqualified for it at this present moment, regardless of potential. He could ruin all of the First Orders plans. Put him high ranking sure, but second in command to Snoke?


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  • #4782
    Tilikum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭Tilikum


    And how exactly did he get his hands on vader's mask which was destroyed by Luke in ROTJ?


  • #4783
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Pretty great footage of reys flashback/flash forward force trip
    http://sendvid.com/i0q9ybuc


  • #4784
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    faceman wrote: »
    I had that gripe too but since read a number of scenes with Chewie were deleted including one where he and Leia console each other and another where he rips someone's arms off

    There was a chess scene? :pac:


  • #4785
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Tilikum wrote: »
    And how exactly did he get his hands on vader's mask which was destroyed by Luke in ROTJ?

    Well, they put Vader on a pyre and cremated him, but nowhere was it suggested that the mask was completely destroyed, so the melted look makes sense.


  • #4786
    Sad Professor
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    Poe Dameron was originally supposed die in the opening sequence. Isaac wasn’t too pushed about taking the role but eventually accepted by which time Abrams had re-written it so he survived.

    http://www.gq.com/story/star-wars-the-force-awakens-character-death


  • #4787
    Jedidiah Sweet Apparel
    Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Jedidiah Sweet Apparel


    Just saw this last night. Loved it loved it!!
    I was on the edge of my seat gripping my water bottle tightly for a lot of it! :D
    I'd nearly go see it again


  • #4788
    IvySlayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,190 ✭✭✭✭IvySlayer


    I took it that Kylo was injured and wasn't used to a lightsaber fight so that's why he lost. Snoke wants to complete Kylos training at the end!

    He was using his pain to get himself angry to try and be more powerful but lacks the discipline


  • #4789
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,967 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    It was completely average with some good bits, the whole plot was stupid though, the Death Star was a terror weapon because it could turn up anywhere, what the fcuk was Starkiller Base doing? Shooting at other planets in the same system? So just avoid that system then? What? What was Lukes plan? Leave a physical map for the Imperials to follow? The whole film was based on that and it made no sense whatsoever...

    Resistance Vs First Order also stupid, so the New Republic doesn't care about this group of planetkilling fascists as long as they're not the Empire? Where was the fleet from Retun of the Jedi? The assault on the base was a bit lame with only a dozen X-Wings, where was the big fleet battle? Resistance Vs First Order sounded like fan fiction bullsh1t.

    Various other stupid sh1t, CGI a bit ropy at times especially the resistance base.

    Loved Rey/Finn/BB8, good humour compared to the utter cringe in the prequels, BB8 making up its mind and giving the thumbs up had the whole screen laughing, couple of other scenes like that. It was entertaining but definitely not deserving of all the 10/10s its getting, think thats just relief it wasnt as bad as the prequels.

    Oh yeah, Lord Snoke, utterly generic bad man character made from 10 year old CGI, he was probably the worst part of the film, all the interesting ideas for Sith or whatever he was in the Extended Universe they could have used and they chose him. It would have better if they'd made him a giant instead of just a hologram like he first appeared actually, so warped by the Dark Side it gave him gigantism.


  • #4790
    Turtyturd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,397 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    On the Starkiller base, surely the laser was a bit pointless as removing the sun from the system would have achieved the same thing anyway.


  • #4791
    SouthTippBass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭SouthTippBass


    Turtyturd wrote: »
    On the Starkiller base, surely the laser was a bit pointless as removing the sun from the system would have achieved the same thing anyway.

    ....but faster, and with no chance of retaliation.


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  • #4792
    Sad Professor
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,682 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Some quotes about the development of the script:

    Here's Kasdan who seems to be implying that Lucas didn't have anything resembling a full treatment, just a few notes, which would make sense given what we know about how Lucas writes.
    So what was Lucas's rejected story line about? "I don’t honestly know, and I’m telling you the truth," said Kasdan, who only began co-writing The Force Awakens with J.J. Abrams after the original writer, Little Miss Sunshine scribe Michael Arndt, was let go. "When I first went to meet with them, George had some shortly written, brief ideas for a lot of movies, but [Episode VII] was not in that group, because they had already hired Michael Arndt to write that movie. So I was not given that movie at first, and I don’t know what the original idea was, although I think J.J. maybe heard it at some point. But he came in later, too."

    http://www.vulture.com/2015/12/force-awakens-secrets-han-solo-original-george-lucas-treatment.html

    And here's Arndt who seems to have had trouble coming up with a story:
    As the writers tried to find a logical place for that, they also grappled with the question of how to present Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker – who, as those who’ve seen The Force Awakens already know, was also held back as a climactic reveal in the final minutes of the movie.

    “Early on I tried to write versions of the story where [Rey] is at home, her home is destroyed, and then she goes on the road and meets Luke. And then she goes and kicks the bad guy’s ass,” Arndt said. “It just never worked and I struggled with this. This was back in 2012.”

    The trouble was a simple case of upstaging. “It just felt like every time Luke came in and entered the movie, he just took it over,” Arndt said. “Suddenly you didn’t care about your main character anymore because, ‘Oh f–k, Luke Skywalker’s here. I want to see what he’s going to do.’”

    The good news for Abrams was, he got to make a Star Wars movie. The bad news was, his toybox wouldn’t include a real-life Luke Skywalker action figure. Some of the early MacGuffins of the movie – the thing that drives a movie’s plot – were a search for Darth Vader’s remains, or a quest to the underwater wreckage of the second Death Star to recover a key piece of history about sacred Jedi sites in the galaxy.

    Ultimately, the writers decided to make Luke himself the MacGuffin – the thing Rey, Han, Finn and Chewie are trying to find.

    http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/20/jj-abrams-answers-burning-question-about-r2-d2-star-wars-force-awakens


  • #4793
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,967 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Was that really it then? It could only hurt other planets in the same system? It looked like they put the resources of multiple Death Stars into it, what a bizarre idea if thats the case.


  • #4794
    Sad Professor
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,682 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Thargor wrote: »
    Was that really it then? It could only hurt other planets in the same system? It looked like they put the resources of multiple Death Stars into it, what a bizarre idea if thats the case.

    The planets were in different systems.


  • #4795
    curiosity
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭curiosity


    Went to a Midnight Wednesday showing, have been mulling over it for a few days. I enjoyed it. It's got some of the same sense of fun of the first trilogy, but I didn't think it as good as them. BB-8 was so cute, Daisy Ridley did a good job of being the main actor.

    There was some brief applause at the end, from maybe half the people there.

    I plan to see it again in a few weeks, once the stampede is over!
    Having Ren turn to the dark side despite having Leia & Han as parents, and Luke as his uncle, just seemed a bit of a stretch for me. Also, Adam Driver didn't really seem much of a physical likeness to Carrie & Harrison


  • #4796
    SouthTippBass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭SouthTippBass


    curiosity wrote: »
    Having Ren turn to the dark side despite having Leia & Han as parents, and Luke as his uncle, just seemed a bit of a stretch for me. Also, Adam Driver didn't really seem much of a physical likeness to Carrie & Harrison

    Just to clear up, his name is Ben Solo, he turned into Kylo Ren. I don't mind him being unlike Han or Leia, as we know from previous movies that the dark side is know to warp the physical attributes of the host.

    Im sure Luke will explain the full backstory of what happened to Ben in episode VIII.


  • #4797
    curiosity
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭curiosity


    SouthTippBass wrote: »
    Just to clear up, his name is Ben Solo, he turned into Kylo Ren. I don't mind him being unlike Han or Leia, as we know from previous movies that the dark side is know to warp the physical attributes of the host.

    Im sure Luke will explain the full backstory of what happened to Ben in episode VIII.

    Okay, I mixed up the name a bit. It's just that I thought Leia & Han would be good parents;)


  • #4798
    Sad Professor
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    curiosity wrote: »
    Okay, I mixed up the name a bit. It's just that I thought Leia & Han would be good parents;)

    The idea is that Snoke saw his potential and was manipulating him from a young age.


  • #4799
    Into The Blue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭Into The Blue


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Just saw this last night. Loved it loved it!!
    I was on the edge of my seat gripping my water bottle tightly for a lot of it! :D
    I'd nearly go see it again

    its way better the second time! bit better the third time, samey samey fourth time..


  • #4800
    Turtyturd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,397 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    Is it just me or would revealing Rey as Luke's daughter have almost zero impact since it's being bandied about so much?


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  • #4801
    OU812
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,075 ✭✭✭OU812


    Wait a minute... "the underwater wreckage of the death star"???

    What fecking underwater wreckage. It blew up. In space. Over a forest moon.


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