Custom fit at Carton House recently

Rodrigo · 10-03-2012 6:20pm #1

I recently got fitted out for driver and woods at Carton House and everything there is top class from the guy doing the fitting to the facilities and also the huge selection of shafts, however I'm not so sure if its really worth the bother unless maybe you're a very low handicapper. Like nearly all fitters dealing with moderate to useful golfers, they recommend that you must get your launch angle up. I was told that my 10.5 degree Ping G10 was delofting at impact to about 7 or 8 degrees hence the need to increase the launch angle. On the day I wasn't hitting my own or the trial clubs flat out but he insisted that increasing the launch angle was the way to go, he set the driver to about 12 degrees, who am I to argue. I bought the clubs (Titleist 910 D2 driver, 3 wood and hybrid) and and they are better than my former set BUT not at the settings that Carton House suggested. Out on the course all I was doing was hitting it way up in the air and then dropping like a stone about 50 or more yards less than my Ping G10, I even gave it to a decent golfer for a few drives and he did the same thing with it. Only when I adjusted the clubs down to the lowest possible settings did I begin to get comparable distances and better than my old driver. I think the only real benefit I got out of the fitting was the correct shaft and thank god for adjustable drivers otherwise I'd have been stung with 12 degree driver that would be virtually useless.

Russman · 10-03-2012 9:10pm

In fairness, he can only do the fit based on the swing you're using on the day. Why were you not hitting flat out or normally ?

Rodrigo · 10-03-2012 10:31pm

When I say I wasn't hitting it flat out, I mean I probably was firing about 10 to 15% less than usual purely because I hadn't really played for about 2 weeks prior to the fitting due to weather work etc. Even If I had smashed every drive It still wouldn't have any overall difference to the result.

Russman · 10-03-2012 11:43pm

Possibly, but you'd be surprised at the difference a 10 or 15% increase in speed would make to launch angle and especially spin rates.

Or maybe the fitter was having a bad day at the office

Benny Cake · 11-03-2012 1:07am

Rodrigo wrote: »

When I say I wasn't hitting it flat out, I mean I probably was firing about 10 to 15% less than usual purely because I hadn't really played for about 2 weeks prior to the fitting due to weather work etc. Even If I had smashed every drive It still wouldn't have any overall difference to the result.

I'd say this is the problem. If you're not happy then why not contact them and say so....

neckedit · 11-03-2012 10:00am

You shouldn't of went for the fitting! Not Titleist fault you hadn't played in 2 weeks or that you where not swinging full tilt, He can only work on what you give him. Postponing the session would of made more sense.

Dr_Colossus · 11-03-2012 1:05pm

Rodrigo wrote: »

When I say I wasn't hitting it flat out, I mean I probably was firing about 10 to 15% less than usual purely because I hadn't really played for about 2 weeks prior to the fitting due to weather work etc. Even If I had smashed every drive It still wouldn't have any overall difference to the result.

Benny Cake wrote: »

I'd say this is the problem. If you're not happy then why not contact them and say so....

2 weeks is nothing really, I wouldn't say that's your problem. If you spent 10-15 minutes warming up on the range before the fitting it would have negated any two weeks absence from the game. As to swinging 10-15% below standard, unless a niggle or injury was upsetting you then I don't see why you wouldn't have tried to give it your normal swing or at least explained to the fitter that you weren't on form that day and perhaps he could have taken that into consideration when choosing the optimal fitting.

k.p.h · 11-03-2012 2:02pm

Russman wrote: »

Or maybe the fitter was having a bad day at the office

Not meaning to contradict you or anything Russman but I was just thinking, a fitters job really is to set up the club so it performs as close as possible to a certain set of numbers e.g optimum launch and spin. Them numbers are well defined so I doubt the fitter fecked up that much..

It's pretty unfortunate really, always wondered how things would work out if someone had a bad swing day on the day of a fitting, or if was like me always tinkering with the swing, get fitted, change something and then end up completely on the wrong track.

One thing is for sure, the benefit of adjustable driver is evident. At least can sort something and get the best out of what you have. I think the OP should give them a bell and ask them for for a few min on the trackman and just have a go a setting up the driver again. Probably a good chance will end up with it set as it is now, but at least some confidence will be restored.

neckedit · 11-03-2012 2:12pm

I'm sorry but a fitter cannot take the fact he is swinging slower than usual, as he has no idea what usual is, even if he is to say I'm 15% slower than I usually swing, that means nothing to the fitter as there are too many variables to consider when some one swings harder.

Russman · 11-03-2012 2:54pm

k.p.h wrote: »

Not meaning to contradict you or anything Russman but I was just thinking, a fitters job really is to set up the club so it performs as close as possible to a certain set of numbers e.g optimum launch and spin. Them numbers are well defined so I doubt the fitter fecked up that much..

Ahh yeah, I know he wouldn't have messed up by much, I was having a laugh really with that comment. Henry in Carton House is extremely good at what he does, but I suppose as a few have said, he can only work with what he sees on the day.
Plus, Trackman is more or less the gold standard when it comes to launch monitors so the data will be accurate. I've seen guys being fitted swear they hit their 4 iron 210yds and yet shot after shot comes out at 170yds and they refuse to accept a recommendation based on that number. (I'm not implying this is you Op !)

f22 · 11-03-2012 3:08pm

Half a fitters job is managing physical numbers vs ego and false expectation.

Rodrigo · 11-03-2012 4:37pm

I think I should make myself clearer here, I quite happy with the driver I got, the shaft, fitting etc all top class. Whats not correct for me is the launch angle and when I say I wasn't hitting it flat out, I think perhaps I overstated that a bit, it really wouldn't have made any difference to the overall fitting. My point is simple, all golf club fitters seem to suggest a high launch for most golfers during a fitting but for me out on the course it simply balloons to the heavens with little roll on landing whereas when I lower the settings contrary to what was recommended I get a nice lower flight and much more roll on landing.

Henry Ford III · 11-03-2012 5:24pm

I think unless you are a very very good player, who has a swing that has a huge degree of repetition custom fitting is a waste of time and money.

A mid handicapper is just as capable of making a poor swing with a standard club as one custom fitted.

It also ruins any used value on the clubs.

Most people would be much better advised use the money for supervised practice and lessons.

Benny Cake · 11-03-2012 5:43pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I think unless you are a very very good player, who has a swing that has a huge degree of repetition custom fitting is a waste of time and money.

A mid handicapper is just as capable of making a poor swing with a standard club as one custom fitted.

It also ruins any used value on the clubs.

Most people would be much better advised use the money for supervised practice and lessons.

Fair enough, but surely you would agree that when spending 600+ on a set of irons, you are better off spending an extra 50 on getting fitted to give yourself the best chance possible of getting the correct setup. A mid-high handicapper clearly doesn't have a perfect swing but to say its money wasted is disingenuous imo...

Henry Ford III · 12-03-2012 11:22am

Benny Cake wrote: »

Fair enough, but surely you would agree that when spending 600+ on a set of irons, you are better off spending an extra 50 on getting fitted to give yourself the best chance possible of getting the correct setup. A mid-high handicapper clearly doesn't have a perfect swing but to say its money wasted is disingenuous imo...

You'd be better off spending way less and getting your basics sorted. Practice in conjunction with lessons is the only way.

ShriekingSheet · 12-03-2012 12:08pm

f22 wrote: »

Half a fitters job is managing physical numbers vs ego and false expectation.

+1

It does sound a tad like he recommended a 12 degree driver and you thought "no way, that's a hackers club", or "my mates would laugh me off the tee".

If you and the low h'cap friend can only balloon the 12 degree 45" shaft driver 50 yards behind your own driver, presumably you both use your 15 degree 42" shaft 3 wood for flop shots around the green.

dines08 · 12-03-2012 12:16pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

You'd be better off spending way less and getting your basics sorted. Practice in conjunction with lessons is the only way.

Have you ever been fitted?

Henry Ford III · 12-03-2012 12:40pm

dines08 wrote: »

Have you ever been fitted?

That's unimportant. I know plenty of really good players who have never been however, and could make a decent swing with a broom.

Yes decent golf equipment is certainly a factor, but the difference between good and top brand clubs/balls, and fitting/not fitting is way less important than the ability to make a sound and repeating swing.

ShriekingSheet · 12-03-2012 12:46pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

That's unimportant.

It is slightly important, to be fair.

k.p.h · 12-03-2012 12:53pm

I do actually agree with this,

Henry Ford III wrote: »

You'd be better off spending way less and getting your basics sorted. Practice in conjunction with lessons is the only way.

but, golf is a game of inches. If getting fitted for the right clubs improves an 18hc who regularly shot 90 by just 2%. That's 1.8 shots a round, would not be long before that player was a 17hc..! Every little bit counts.

Henry Ford III · 12-03-2012 12:55pm

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

It is slightly important, to be fair.

Can't see how it would be tbh.

Henry Ford III · 12-03-2012 1:00pm

k.p.h wrote: »

I do actually agree with this,

but, golf is a game of inches. If getting fitted for the right clubs improves an 18hc who regularly shot 90 by just 2%. That's 1.8 shots a round, would not be long before that player was a 17hc..! Every little bit counts.

Yes every little helps, but altering the shaft length, flex, kickpoint etc. together with lofts and lies may just as easily adversely affect your ability should your setup and swing be faulty or non repeating.

A change in stance, posture, alignment, fitness etc. togeter with swing improvements could render custom fit clubs a limiting factor.

Remember the custom fit business is still a business. Turnover is key.

dines08 · 12-03-2012 1:05pm

In my opinion it is important to know whether you'd ever been fitted. I'd respect your advice on fitting/lessons much more if you'd experienced both and were basing it off of this. I've never had lessons, my swing isn't pretty but it is repeatable 7-8 times out of 10. I've been fitted for my woods and they've taken 4-5 strokes off my game.

Henry Ford III · 12-03-2012 1:10pm

dines08 wrote: »

In my opinion it is important to know whether you'd ever been fitted. I'd respect your advice on fitting/lessons much more if you'd experienced both and were basing it off of this. I've never had lessons, my swing isn't pretty but it is repeatable 7-8 times out of 10. I've been fitted for my woods and they've taken 4-5 strokes off my game.

It's simply not relevant, so I'm not going to answer.

I've plenty of golfing experience though, have played off low single figures, and had a few lessons here and there.

No offence but 4-5 shots off your score with fitted woods is as likely be down to luck/confidence as anything else.

As I said before a good player can hit good shots with most reasonable clubs.

Russman · 12-03-2012 1:25pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

As I said before a good player can hit good shots with most reasonable clubs.

Possibly true, but if the lie/length are completely wrong for the guy, say, he's 6' 3" and has a very upright and fast swing ? Clearly "standard" clubs will not be right for him. If he's using them very well, its likely there is a compromise going on somewhere in his technique. Why not get the benefit of modern analysis and get a set that are more suited ?

As it happens, one of my best friends is a fitter with one of the big manufacturers and I've had the chance to experiment with the equipment and, seriously, the difference that changing shafts in the same head makes is quite incredible. I'm a reasonably competent golfer (I like to think

) and with some shafts in a driver head i could hardly get the ball airborne yet the same head with a different shaft turned out to be my optimal combination.

The idea with the fitting of amateurs who don't really swing with 100% consistency (does anyone ?) is to make the bad shots better. You'll find that most people's swing speed is virtually the same shot after shot, no matter how good or bad they hit it, the bad shots are usually more to do with direction/plane/mis-hits etc.

Don't knock it til you've tried it.

Henry Ford III · 12-03-2012 1:43pm

Russman wrote: »

Possibly true, but if the lie/length are completely wrong for the guy, say, he's 6' 3" and has a very upright and fast swing ? Clearly "standard" clubs will not be right for him. If he's using them very well, its likely there is a compromise going on somewhere in his technique. Why not get the benefit of modern analysis and get a set that are more suited ?

As it happens, one of my best friends is a fitter with one of the big manufacturers and I've had the chance to experiment with the equipment and, seriously, the difference that changing shafts in the same head makes is quite incredible. I'm a reasonably competent golfer (I like to think ) and with some shafts in a driver head i could hardly get the ball airborne yet the same head with a different shaft turned out to be my optimal combination.

The idea with the fitting of amateurs who don't really swing with 100% consistency (does anyone ?) is to make the bad shots better. You'll find that most people's swing speed is virtually the same shot after shot, no matter how good or bad they hit it, the bad shots are usually more to do with direction/plane/mis-hits etc.

Don't knock it til you've tried it.

Who said I didn't try it?

Ping did all that donkeys years ago with colour coding. Guess which sold most? Black or standard.

As I said I can some benefit for exceptional players be they exceptionally tall, short, or highly skilled. I saw Joe Miller the long drive fella hitting 400+yards on a simulator on tv recently - he's a monster and needed a 4 degree driver!

Westwood famously played with the same set of basically pretty stock irons for many years, and he did fine.

I reckon all this high end custom fitting & fancy golf balls is a pretty cynical marketing ploy.

I'd get a lot of enjoyment out of playing someone wth "all the gear but no idea".

ShriekingSheet · 12-03-2012 1:44pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Can't see how it would be tbh.

It's important/relevent because you're putting accross a wise and informed argument. Someone questioning the basis of your strong view is pretty understandable.

If your view is based on previously being a low handicap yourself, knowing some low guys, and never actually being fitted yourself, it's pretty undermining, and fair for other posters to disagree with you.

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Yes every little helps, but altering the shaft length, flex, kickpoint etc. together with lofts and lies may just as easily adversely affect your ability should your setup and swing be faulty or non repeating.

A change in stance, posture, alignment, fitness etc. togeter with swing improvements could render custom fit clubs a limiting factor.

Remember the custom fit business is still a business. Turnover is key.

As it goes, until quite recently I agreed with a lot of the same sentiment, though I've been fitted with different technologies over the years, as well as my family and mates at different pros and centres. I also have a dim view of the industry's constant effort to squeeze more cash out of people, especially on flase claims of improved performance.

Recently though, there seems to be more and more guys in my club, and others I hear of, are getting a full bag fit and improving considerably, and quickly. At a high amateur level, pretty much everyone I'm aware of in the plus and scratch ball park do some kind of fitting.

The fitting techniques and facilities themselves seem to be improving, so all taken into account, I think it's fair to say it's worth considering.

In context, if you're going to spend a lot of money on new clubs anyway, an extra few euro on fitting seems to make sense. Certainly more sense than shelling out a huge amount for something you pick off the shelf, that the shop assistant reckons will be perfect for you.

I have my current set for over 4 years, and feel due a change for a few reasons. I'm going to Titleist for a full fit. The extra cost of the fit is pretty small, given the overall cost of the clubs. I'm happy to pay it to ensure what I'm getting for my money will be as good as possible.

Henry Ford III · 12-03-2012 1:51pm

I'm not asking or demanding that everyone agree with my view S.S. I really don't mind if they respect it or otherwise too.

I'm just stating my views. That's all.

Russman · 12-03-2012 2:06pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Who said I didn't try it?

Ping did all that donkeys years ago with colour coding. Guess which sold most? Black or standard.

As I said I can some benefit for exceptional players be they exceptionally tall, short, or highly skilled. I saw Joe Miller the long drive fella hitting 400+yards on a simulator on tv recently - he's a monster and needed a 4 degree driver!

Westwood famously played with the same set of basically pretty stock irons for many years, and he did fine.

I reckon all this high end custom fitting & fancy golf balls is a pretty cynical marketing ploy.

I'd get a lot of enjoyment out of playing someone wth "all the gear but no idea".

I'd have no doubt that a lot of people will fall into the "standard" category, but I really don't believe it to be a cynical marketing ploy. Sure, its a business and they're ultimately out to make money, but if a (usually free if you purchase) fitting can help, then it has to be a win win scenario.

If being fitted for a driver helps me hit, say for example, one less destructive drive per round, then, over time, of course my confidence will improve with the driver. Naturally with more confidence, you'll hit better shots - you could argue its directly related to the fitting. If I'm on more fairways, I'll likely hit more greens and likely make more birdies etc etc. Obviously the correlation isn't scientific but if a fitting gives me an extra x% in my game then its worth it IMO.

I've also seen people go for a fitting with one particular brand and be told their current equipment is fine for them and there's no significant advantage to be had from changing, unless they want to change for the sake of change. So i'm reluctant to completely write it off as a marketing ploy.

Re Westwood and his Pings, for every supremely talented player, there are thousands of lesser mortals who need all the help they can get with golf. TBH that argument is like me wondering why I can't hit Bubba Watson's driver and insisting I won't change because if Bubba can hit it, I should be able to too

Henry Ford III · 12-03-2012 2:17pm

Russman wrote: »

...TBH that argument is like me wondering why I can't hit Bubba Watson's driver and insisting I won't change because if Bubba can hit it, I should be able to too

It's because by comparison you are supremely untalented, might not be too confident weilding a bright pink driver, and you're probably right handed too

dines08 · 12-03-2012 4:02pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

It's simply not relevant, so I'm not going to answer.

I've plenty of golfing experience though, have played off low single figures, and had a few lessons here and there.

No offence but 4-5 shots off your score with fitted woods is as likely be down to luck/confidence as anything else.

As I said before a good player can hit good shots with most reasonable clubs.

Almost exactly the answer I expected. I'll just try and stay lucky and you can stay looking down your nose at the rest of us

searay · 12-03-2012 4:35pm

Rodrigo wrote: »

I recently got fitted out for driver and woods at Carton House and everything there is top class from the guy doing the fitting to the facilities and also the huge selection of shafts, however I'm not so sure if its really worth the bother unless maybe you're a very low handicapper. Like nearly all fitters dealing with moderate to useful golfers, they recommend that you must get your launch angle up. I was told that my 10.5 degree Ping G10 was delofting at impact to about 7 or 8 degrees hence the need to increase the launch angle. On the day I wasn't hitting my own or the trial clubs flat out but he insisted that increasing the launch angle was the way to go, he set the driver to about 12 degrees, who am I to argue. I bought the clubs (Titleist 910 D2 driver, 3 wood and hybrid) and and they are better than my former set BUT not at the settings that Carton House suggested. Out on the course all I was doing was hitting it way up in the air and then dropping like a stone about 50 or more yards less than my Ping G10, I even gave it to a decent golfer for a few drives and he did the same thing with it. Only when I adjusted the clubs down to the lowest possible settings did I begin to get comparable distances and better than my old driver. I think the only real benefit I got out of the fitting was the correct shaft and thank god for adjustable drivers otherwise I'd have been stung with 12 degree driver that would be virtually useless.

I was custom fit recently (Not in Carton) and could see the difference between clubs from watching the ball flight as we progressed through the fitting. They recommended I get my current driver reshafted and I was happy to go with it as I'd seen the benefits amd the launch monitor numbers supported it. Having got my driver back it was a worthwhile exercise.

I'm wondering in your case, as to whether you could see the benefits before you commited to buy. If you did, but the clubs you got aren't delivering, you should go back to them and ask then to re-test or check the spec is the same. I'd expect them to do it as a courtesy.

As an aside, my driver is a 12 degree ping G10 and when I tried different lofts, a 12 degree head kept producing the right launch angle, so don't be put off by the number 12 if it works. (Handicap 8)

Raisins · 12-03-2012 5:42pm

I think the reason that people argue about a topic like this is because they don't specify exactly what point they are making. The truth of this is probably in the middle IMO.

Custom fitting for a golfer with a handicap of 20 or more or a golfer who is relatively new to the game is probably not a fantastic idea because they're swing is not where it could be. There's a point to be made that a player like that should concentrate on improving the flaws in the swing instead of spending hundreds of euro trying (and I would guess failing) to correct them with a different shaft or loft. At the end of the day what kind of idiot with a 22 handicap would not agree with that?

On the other side if you are a decent player who has been playing golf for a long time off a handicap of 15 for example I think there is a strong argument to have a driver fitted instead of strolling in to a shop and randomly picking out a driver, loft and shaft from the rack.

Loire · 12-03-2012 5:58pm

Raisins wrote: »

Custom fitting for a golfer with a handicap of 20 or more or a golfer who is relatively new to the game is probably not a fantastic idea because they're swing is not where it could be.

I would disagree with this. Custom fitting a high handicapper with for example game improving irons would have a better result for the golfer than just buying anything off the shelf. There's also the confidence factor...the golfer knows they have the "right" clubs...they can rule out the question of equipment then and focus on technique/practice knowing that they have the right gear.

Raisins wrote: »

There's a point to be made that a player like that should concentrate on improving the flaws in the swing instead of spending hundreds of euro trying (and I would guess failing) to correct them with a different shaft or loft. At the end of the day what kind of idiot with a 22 handicap would not agree with that?

On the other side if you are a decent player who has been playing golf for a long time off a handicap of 15 for example I think there is a strong argument to have a driver fitted instead of strolling in to a shop and randomly picking out a driver, loft and shaft from the rack.

Raisins · 12-03-2012 6:18pm

Loire wrote: »

I would disagree with this. Custom fitting a high handicapper with for example game improving irons would have a better result for the golfer than just buying anything off the shelf. There's also the confidence factor...the golfer knows they have the "right" clubs...they can rule out the question of equipment then and focus on technique/practice knowing that they have the right gear.

Surely you can buy game improving irons in the shop and get advice from a good salesman. Why would you spend so much money having a pro look at fundamentally flawed swing and have him discuss irons with you instead of telling you what you are doing wrong?

Of course if you're loaded and have time on your hands you can do both. Most people though have to choose their battles and where they can get value for money. If you have x amount of money to spend on golf in a given year then I think spending some money on a good set for a high handicapper plus some lessons is a better option.

I don't know how to discuss something with a smiley buy just in case you're suggesting it I'm obviously not making a slight on a high handicapper. I just thought that the point I was making was taken as a given but I can see I was wrong! I think any high handicapper with a bit of sense won't get custom fitted to a swing that is going to be changing or at least that they should be trying to change.

Rodrigo · 12-03-2012 6:51pm

It does sound a tad like he recommended a 12 degree driver and you thought "no way, that's a hackers club", or "my mates would laugh me off the tee".[/B

It seems to me that some people can't read simple plain English.
the driver is 10.5 as it says on the bottom for anyone to read however it could be adjusted to 12 or 13 degrees for all anyone would know, who really gives a damm] what its says as long as it does the job. For the last time, the club, the fitting, the fitter etc were all top notch, on the day the numbers were around the same, maybe a bit more with than my current driver, my swing speed was very consistent all the time and the flight did look okay. He also said that with firmer ground a bit more roll would come in to it. I am getting about 10 to 15 yards further and will get even more with firmer ground but only by going against Titleists launch angle recommendations. Launch angle[/U] is the only thing I changed, are those two words that difficult for people to understand? The same on the 3 wood. I dont need any figures or stats to see where the ball now finishes on the fairway compared to the old driver.

Loire · 13-03-2012 9:56am

Raisins wrote: »

Surely you can buy game improving irons in the shop and get advice from a good salesman. Why would you spend so much money having a pro look at fundamentally flawed swing and have him discuss irons with you instead of telling you what you are doing wrong?

I think, to be fair, it depends on the type of high handicapper we're talking about. Someone new...yeah...buy something off the shelf, practice and get lessons. However, for someone who plays for years and still plays off 22 I think custom fitting could only help...their swing is pretty much as it will be at that stage and a more consistent connection may help eliminate bad shots that contribute to playing a handicap of 22.

Raisins wrote: »

I don't know how to discuss something with a smiley buy just in case you're suggesting it I'm obviously not making a slight on a high handicapper.

That's fair enough, I thought as much, but as my Dad falls into this category of player I was just a bit put out so apologies!

bustercherry · 13-03-2012 11:30am

Loire wrote: »

I think, to be fair, it depends on the type of high handicapper we're talking about. Someone new...yeah...buy something off the shelf, practice and get lessons. However, for someone who plays for years and still plays off 22 I think custom fitting could only help...their swing is pretty much as it will be at that stage and a more consistent connection may help eliminate bad shots that contribute to playing a handicap of 22.

That's fair enough, I thought as much, but as my Dad falls into this category of player I was just a bit put out so apologies!

What utter crap, at 22 (whether someone new to the game or not) you are not consistently swinging the club the same way otherwise you will find a way to make a bad swing work.
We have all been there; I've had days when I'm completely off plane or to inside myself but I grind out a score because I use what I have and adjust accordingly.

Loire · 13-03-2012 11:56am

bustercherry wrote: »

What utter crap

Easy there tiger

bustercherry wrote: »

at 22 (whether someone new to the game or not) you are not consistently swinging the club the same way otherwise you will find a way to make a bad swing work.

Inconsistent swings are not the only reason a player might be playing to 22. My own father plays off 21 for example and has been to lots of lessons in the last few years. He hits the ball only so so...for some reason he can't seem to hit the ball first and loses distance as a result. He's a short hitter anyway and this puts pressure on his average enough short game. He recently got fitted for game improvement irons and they made a big difference. Who knows, he may well have gotten the same result from an off the shelf purchase but as per my earlier post, at least he knows now he has the right equipment for him. He's in his 60s and is not about to go re-inventing his swing at this stage.

bustercherry · 13-03-2012 12:38pm

Loire wrote: »

Easy there tiger

Inconsistent swings are not the only reason a player might be playing to 22. My own father plays off 21 for example and has been to lots of lessons in the last few years. He hits the ball only so so...for some reason he can't seem to hit the ball first and loses distance as a result. He's a short hitter anyway and this puts pressure on his average enough short game. He recently got fitted for game improvement irons and they made a big difference. Who knows, he may well have gotten the same result from an off the shelf purchase but as per my earlier post, at least he knows now he has the right equipment for him. He's in his 60s and is not about to go re-inventing his swing at this stage.

I'm assuming he can hit the ball first some of the time? If not and if he was swinging consistently every time, surely he could just move the ball a little bit back in his stance to improve his ball striking?

Loire · 13-03-2012 1:08pm

bustercherry wrote: »

I'm assuming he can hit the ball first some of the time? If not and if he was swinging consistently every time, surely he could just move the ball a little bit back in his stance to improve his ball striking?

If I had a dollar everytime I mentioned this :rolleyes::D

Arsenium · 26-04-2012 2:18pm

Hi,

I was looking for some advice. I currently use an R7 driver (10.5). I am driving the ball pretty consistently and I am getting good yardages. Most guys I play with use 9.5 degree drivers and I usually hit it past them.

Anwyay, I have recently changed my irons to AP2's. I love them and I think they are making me a better ball striker. I want to complete the Titleist set so I am thinking about moving to a 910 D2 9.5 degree. I had planned getting fitted for it.

There is nothing wrong with my driving, I am happy with it. This is more of an indulgence than a necessity.

I have shot 80 on a number of occasions (never lower yet) and usually shoot low to mid 80s. Although sometimes that can go up over 90!!

I love the TM drivers but want to complete the set. How does the D2 910 stack up against the TM drivers? Will the lower loft give me extra yardage (not that yardage is my biggest concern). Would it take much to move from a TM R7 to at Titleist driver.

Am I risking my driving by making this change which isnt really all that necessary?

k.p.h · 26-04-2012 2:28pm

Arsenium wrote: »

Am I risking my driving by making this change which isnt really all that necessary?

Technique is the main factor when it come to accuracy, your technique won't change if you get a new driver but if the driver is different it might make you adjust your technique which could cause problems.

If you get fitted it would prevent this happening. Good chance it could improve your numbers so you get more carry etc.

If I were you I would not change unless I was getting fitted, other than that go for it..

acejeff · 26-04-2012 3:35pm

my tuppence worth - i've always preffered titleist when it comes to my irons and again when I was chanigng my irons late last year, after trying many brands, I went for a titleist CB/MB mix. for what it's worth however, despite trying out most of their models, I have never ever been a fan / able to get to grips with titleist drivers. To be honest I have always found them a bit clunky, lack of feeling and unforgiving compared to other makes (I know there are many loyal titleist iron players who would give similar feedback and these would include low handicap guys). This was no different when I tried the 910 D2 last year, I absoultely hated it depite trying it with a few different shafts and the weight distribution set up differently. In the end I went for the Taylormade Burner TP 2.0 (switching from ping G10 which was also an excellent driver) and am driving the ball better than ever. IMHO - Taylormade have for many years been a superior brand when it comes to drivers. Aside from their overly aggressive marketing they have consistently delivered good quality products in the driver department. I would suggest that if there is nothing wrong with your driving it doesn't need much of a change and a switch to a different philosophy titleist driver might have a negative impact.

acejeff · 26-04-2012 3:47pm

also on the loft- for a number of years lower loft was always considered the way to go for more distance (however in many cases at the sacrifice of accuracy). recent trends however see many being recommended drivers with higher lofts (like your 10.5 for example). Loft on the driver is not the only determinant of distance - you need to factor in shaft type, flex kick pint weighting etc - the idea being to fit for the optimum combination. for example you may go for a lower loft but if the shaft isn't right the ball may balloon if generating too much spoon or not launch correctly therefore never getting enough height /forward progression. Your optimum shaft / loft combination will ultimately depend on your swing - clubhead speed, launch angle and spin rate you put on it. As you said yourself you're driving past guys with 9.5 drivers so loft not everything.

searay · 27-04-2012 9:54am

Arsenium wrote: »

Hi,

I was looking for some advice. I currently use an R7 driver (10.5). I am driving the ball pretty consistently and I am getting good yardages. Most guys I play with use 9.5 degree drivers and I usually hit it past them.

Anwyay, I have recently changed my irons to AP2's. I love them and I think they are making me a better ball striker. I want to complete the Titleist set so I am thinking about moving to a 910 D2 9.5 degree. I had planned getting fitted for it.

There is nothing wrong with my driving, I am happy with it. This is more of an indulgence than a necessity.

I have shot 80 on a number of occasions (never lower yet) and usually shoot low to mid 80s. Although sometimes that can go up over 90!!

I love the TM drivers but want to complete the set. How does the D2 910 stack up against the TM drivers? Will the lower loft give me extra yardage (not that yardage is my biggest concern). Would it take much to move from a TM R7 to at Titleist driver.

Am I risking my driving by making this change which isnt really all that necessary?

Keegan Bradley tweeted a video of his swing a couple of weeks ago which showed he uses a 10.5 degree driver and he is one of the longest hitters around. Higher loft suits some people better at achieving a good launch angle.

If you've decided you want to make a change, be it the club make, loft or shaft, it's best to have hit the clubs first, see how the ball flys and the shot feels and got some back-up info for it.

I think custom fitting is the way to go for you and there's lots of posts on boards to help you decide which fitter to go with. You might walk out thinking the driver you have is the best option for you.

Russman · 27-04-2012 9:57am

+1 to that.
The fitter will use your own driver as a base for comparison, and if it can't be bettered they'll tell you (or at least should tell you). You'll see the numbers on the screen anyway.

Arsenium · 27-04-2012 11:42am

Thanks for these educated replies guys. The general feeling that I got from other guys is that the lower the loft, the further the distance. But that is not what my experience is and your replies back that up.

Obviously the correct shaft is the main factor. Unfotunately my playing partners are lefties and I cannot try out their drivers to get an idea of the difference.

Your explanations have clarified things for me and I guess the correct approach is to book in for a fitting and try out the D2 and (probably) R11 (since they have dropped in price a lot with the release of the R11S). Once a fitter can give me the numbers then I can make an informed decision, rather than blowing a load of money on a driver that doesnt suit. It might look good in the bag but if the price for that is a less consistent driving game...then the price is too high :-)

Thank God for sane heads.

BoardsMember · 27-04-2012 1:17pm

Arsenium wrote: »

Hi,

I was looking for some advice. I currently use an R7 driver (10.5). I am driving the ball pretty consistently and I am getting good yardages. Most guys I play with use 9.5 degree drivers and I usually hit it past them.

Anwyay, I have recently changed my irons to AP2's. I love them and I think they are making me a better ball striker. I want to complete the Titleist set so I am thinking about moving to a 910 D2 9.5 degree. I had planned getting fitted for it.

There is nothing wrong with my driving, I am happy with it. This is more of an indulgence than a necessity.

I have shot 80 on a number of occasions (never lower yet) and usually shoot low to mid 80s. Although sometimes that can go up over 90!!

I love the TM drivers but want to complete the set. How does the D2 910 stack up against the TM drivers? Will the lower loft give me extra yardage (not that yardage is my biggest concern). Would it take much to move from a TM R7 to at Titleist driver.

Am I risking my driving by making this change which isnt really all that necessary?

You're mad, in my modest opinion. What does "complete the set" mean. I could understand if you were talking about gap wedge or sand wedge etc. The TM R7 is often regarded as their best ever driver. you're hitting it well. your thinking of spending substantial anount of money replacing fantastic equipment that is working really well for you for the sake of vanity and having a pretty looking bag? Madness.

Arsenium · 27-04-2012 2:42pm

Thanks Boardsmember. That's a reality check I've been looking for

. As I mentioned in the original post, this would purely be an indulgence.
By "Complete the set" I meant to have a full set of Titleist clubs.

However, I will need to change at some point as the club is probably 4 years old at this point.

There's another question. At what point should you consider upgrading your driver, if the club is in good nick still and you are playing well with it? Surely an upgrade should be done at some point?

Russman · 27-04-2012 3:10pm

Arsenium wrote: »

However, I will need to change at some point as the club is probably 4 years old at this point.

Why ? If its still working and isn't damaged or you haven't collapsed the face, why change ?
Of course, we all like shiny new things, but the ball doesn't know what its been hit with

and if you're consistently in the fairway I wouldn't be changing.

I'd suggest getting a lend of and hitting a few more modern drivers against your own and seeing the results. I have a 7 or 8 year old Ping G2 lying around somewhere that I occassionally hit and there's no massively significant difference between it and my 910D2

Does an extra 2.4yds mean that much ?

Then again, if you just want to indulge.........fire away !

Custom fit at Carton House recently

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