Dublin South East

ebbsy · 11-02-2011 10:58pm

Murphy is a good candidate, and should push out FF.

Haskins may have novelty value and I wish him well, but he will be bringing up the rear here.

steelcityblues · 12-02-2011 12:12am

Voting for Somerville, because he could be a 'fixer', and has been living in the 'real' world for years.

Neither Murphy or Creighton will be in a senior ministry, so you are getting two potential TDs who will just obey the party whip (well, maybe not always in Lucinda's case, lol).

Quinn, and his neo-liberal outlook, never appealed to me. He is one of several reasons why Labour met with distrust with a large proportion of the working class electorate.

Humphreys - see Murphy/Creighton.

Andrews - Only ever a family name candidate/TD. Seems obsessed with the Palestine/Israel situation 10x more than events happening at home. Not good enough Chris.

Gormless - Good riddance to Mr. Doublespeak

Haskins - Wildcard. Is this more of a vanity run or absolutely sincere? At least he's being transparent with his expenses. idealists are welcome in an age of boring centrist politics, and maybe he will live up to this.

Anyway, my two cents as a constituent.

hsh · 12-02-2011 12:31am

What's interesting here is the obvious impact of the street posters. We don't have ours up yet, so for people here we apparently don't exist. Personally I dislike them, but you can't argue with effectiveness.

Have a look at www.hughsheehy2011.com and I'd be happy to hear what people think on a policy/person basis.

Also, the Coyle posters only went up after the windy days too, so maybe he gets the prize for prescience!

H

imme · 12-02-2011 1:52am

Jack Sheehan wrote: »

http://www.dylanhaskins.ie/

This small child is also running.

ah come on, he's not a small child, he's legally entitled to stand.:)
His campaign has gained a lot of publicity and some traction. I doubt he'll be elected, but his election would herald a change in politics imo. It would determine who we are.

beepimasheep · 12-02-2011 12:41pm

I'm living in Dublin SE and can't believe people are considering voting for E. Murphy (FG) in Dublin SE, reminds me of the Royston Brady campaign for the European elections few years ago, all spin and no substance, PR gimmickry...

I'll be voting for Paul Sommerville for his expert analysis on the banking crisis and for his sound policies on economic recovery.

bijapos · 12-02-2011 2:23pm

beepimasheep wrote: »

I'm living in Dublin SE and can't believe people are considering voting for E. Murphy (FG) in Dublin SE, reminds me of the Royston Brady campaign for the European elections few years ago, all spin and no substance, PR gimmickry...

I'll be voting for Paul Sommerville for his expert analysis on the banking crisis and for his sound policies on economic recovery.

Couldn't agree more with you on Murphy, very slick but very little substance to him. He canvassed me in Rathmines village a couple of weeks ago and tried to change the subject when I asked him a couple of awkward questions. he eventually said thanks and walked off while I was talking. I get the impression he is more there for image rather than anything else.

The photo below ran on the front page of the Indo, the Irish Times and the Metro Herald last week, looks good, but according to The Phoenix and thejournal.ie it's staged. The swimmer actually works in murphys office anf the photo was shot by a professional agency. It kind of typifies him, he did well to get it on the front page of three major papers but its not spontaneous, its a set up.

http://www.thejournal.ie/heres-the-eoghan-murphy-photo-from-all-of-todays-papers-2011-2/#slide-slideshow2

Article also on p. 5 of this weeks Phoenix.

Silvio.Dante · 12-02-2011 2:25pm

Eoghan's babes are out in force in Sandymount today waving at cars as they pass by... Would ity influence me to vote for him? No. Did I think it was a good gimmick? Too right...

Stan&Bobby · 12-02-2011 2:32pm

I totally disagree on the comment on Chris Andrews being obsessed with Palestine etc.

important not to throw the baby out with the bath water on this one.

FACT: It is very likely that FG and Labour will form the next Government

FACT: If 2 Labour and 2 FG candidates are elected, Dublin South East will have NO opposition in the constituency to represent the views of the electorate.

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FACT:
Chris is a young, energetic candidate who was elected for the 1st time in 2007.

FG and Labour are talking about reform/ new ways of doing things. It is very easy to pander to what people want to hear in opposition – the reality of being in Government is very different.

Fact: Chris’s actions as a Government TD prove how he has not only talked about reform but has actually affected it.

FACT: It was Chris (NOT FG, LABOUR OR SINN FEIN) who exposed the BOI plan for bonus payments last December because he believed there had to be reform in this area. Result: These bonuses were not paid and a tax on all future bonuses will now be implemented.

FACT: Chris formally sought a reduction in the salaries of semi-state Chief Executives and Ministers prior to the last Budget Result: A cap was placed on the salaries of semi-state CEO’s and Minister’s salaries were reduced.

FACT: Chris was a self employed business owner prior to entering the Dáil. He knows the challenges facing SMEs.

FACT: Chris strongly influenced the abolishment of upwards only rent reviews and it was due to his consistent work that a working group on commercial rent was established. Result: The findings of this Group are now being implemented to improve the rental process for SMEs.

FACT: Last April Chris spoke out in the strongest terms against the retention of dual pensions by serving politicians. He was the first politician from any party to call for Maire Geoghegan Quinn to refund her pension. Result: 16 TD’s who were receiving Ministerial pensions handed them back including the former Minister for Finance, Ruairi Quinn.

FACT: If re-elected as a backbench TD in opposition Chris will continue to fight for change, for transparency and for Ireland to regain our economic prosperity.

FACT: Dublin South East needs strong, credible opposition (Not a hard left alliance with Gerry Adams as chief opposition spokesperson dominating Dail speaking time).

FACT: Chris has proven his ability to fight for change within Government. In opposition he will ensure that it is delivered.

FACT: Chris wants to re-build Fianna Fáil to make it the party of the people once more. There is a place for Fianna Fáil in Irish politics. Don’t get rid of an excellent representative to prove a point to the wider party. Dublin South East will lose out if this happens.

AEG · 12-02-2011 3:06pm

Stan&Bobby wrote: »

I totally disagree on the comment on Chris Andrews being obsessed with Palestine etc.

important not to throw the baby out with the bath water on this one.

FACT: It is very likely that FG and Labour will form the next Government

FACT: If 2 Labour and 2 FG candidates are elected, Dublin South East will have NO opposition in the constituency to represent the views of the electorate.

.

FACT:
Chris is a young, energetic candidate who was elected for the 1st time in 2007.

FG and Labour are talking about reform/ new ways of doing things. It is very easy to pander to what people want to hear in opposition – the reality of being in Government is very different.

Fact: Chris’s actions as a Government TD prove how he has not only talked about reform but has actually affected it.

FACT: It was Chris (NOT FG, LABOUR OR SINN FEIN) who exposed the BOI plan for bonus payments last December because he believed there had to be reform in this area. Result: These bonuses were not paid and a tax on all future bonuses will now be implemented.

FACT: Chris formally sought a reduction in the salaries of semi-state Chief Executives and Ministers prior to the last Budget Result: A cap was placed on the salaries of semi-state CEO’s and Minister’s salaries were reduced.

FACT: Chris was a self employed business owner prior to entering the Dáil. He knows the challenges facing SMEs.

FACT: Chris strongly influenced the abolishment of upwards only rent reviews and it was due to his consistent work that a working group on commercial rent was established. Result: The findings of this Group are now being implemented to improve the rental process for SMEs.

FACT: Last April Chris spoke out in the strongest terms against the retention of dual pensions by serving politicians. He was the first politician from any party to call for Maire Geoghegan Quinn to refund her pension. Result: 16 TD’s who were receiving Ministerial pensions handed them back including the former Minister for Finance, Ruairi Quinn.

FACT: If re-elected as a backbench TD in opposition Chris will continue to fight for change, for transparency and for Ireland to regain our economic prosperity.

FACT: Dublin South East needs strong, credible opposition (Not a hard left alliance with Gerry Adams as chief opposition spokesperson dominating Dail speaking time).

FACT: Chris has proven his ability to fight for change within Government. In opposition he will ensure that it is delivered.

FACT: Chris wants to re-build Fianna Fáil to make it the party of the people once more. There is a place for Fianna Fáil in Irish politics. Don’t get rid of an excellent representative to prove a point to the wider party. Dublin South East will lose out if this happens.

Thanks for copying and pasting Chris Andrew's election literature - but if I actually wanted to read it, I would have went on to his website myself.

Stan&Bobby · 12-02-2011 4:09pm

AEG: how can you make an informed decision if you don't read a candidate's manifesto? It doesn't matter what the origin of the text is. You never commented on any of the Facts. Do you not have an opinion on them or are you waiting for the daily mail to give you a reply you can quote?

takun · 12-02-2011 4:42pm

Stan&Bobby wrote: »

... Dublin South East will have NO opposition in the constituency to represent the views of the electorate.

... Dublin South East needs strong, credible opposition

... Chris has proven his ability to fight for change within Government. In opposition he will ensure that it is delivered.

Thank you, I enjoyed reading your post so much, I really loved it.

I really, and I mean really, love it that FF candidates are reduced to begging voters to: "Please, pretty please, just let me be in the opposition"

Such a bitter pill for the party that considers itself the natural party of government. That would now be the party begging to be still relevant in opposition, the party whose members are begging for votes on the basis that they are not like their party really.

I know gloating isn't attractive but I can't help loving this every time I see it - and it's in every constituency - and I know gloating is inappropriate, and I know it's petty but I LOVE IT.

I rejoice that I've lived to see this day.

Stan&Bobby · 12-02-2011 4:53pm

takun wrote: »

Thank you, I enjoyed reading your post so much, I really loved it.

I really, and I mean really, love it that FF candidates are reduced to begging voters to: "Please, pretty please, just let me be in the opposition"

Such a bitter pill for the party that considers itself the natural party of government. That would now be the party begging to be still relevant in opposition, the party whose members are begging for votes on the basis that they are not like their party really.

I know gloating isn't attractive but I can't help loving this every time I see it - and it's in every constituency - and I know gloating is inappropriate, and I know it's petty but I LOVE IT.

I rejoice that I've lived to see this day.

Wouldn't really call that gloating now in fairness.

Everyone know FF needs time in opposition. What's the point in denying that?

_Bella_ · 12-02-2011 4:54pm

I couldn't disagree more with the posters who say Eoghan Murphy is a gimmick. Anyone anyway who believed for a second that photo was staged is an idiot. He is very well-spoken, has good policies and I believe he will become a prominent member of the Fine Gael party and would not be surprised if he is minister in 15 or 20 years.

bluesteel · 12-02-2011 4:54pm

liveline wrote: »

I would completely disagree with the comment that Dublin South East is a very conservative constituency. I'm from D6 and I would say its quite the opposite. Its very liberal. If you looked at referenda results over the years, Dublin SE voters have been up there with DL and Dublin South as the most liberal voters in the country. The reason why centre-right parties tend to do better is probably because its a largely affluent constituency so high tax policies wouldn't go down too well...
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This.

Dublin SE is socially liberal. FG is fairly strong here and the lazy analysis is FG==Conservative. This forgets the Garret Fitz era and the fact that FF is a lot more Catholic Conservative. The traditional Labour vote is fairly Old School Trade Union and doesn't always appreciate the Ivana Baciks of the national party.

Economically it's wealthy (Dublin SE)and in general in Ireland people look for their own interests - wealthy areas want low taxes, poorer areas want more Social Welfare. Ideology never really comes into it, apart from the odd pockets of smoked salmon socialism which is never terribly strong, just has a disproportionate media representation.

Pepe LeFrits · 12-02-2011 6:10pm

I went on the walkabout with Eoghan Murphy today. We covered a lot of ground and I'm absolutely knackered now, but it was good fun. Great response. Loads of people coming up to talk issues with Eoghan, cars honking horns and one taxi driver who stopped at the crossroads in Rathgar to let the rather bashful candidate cross the road. Bumped into a couple of the other candidates on the way, all very civilised!

onekeano · 16-02-2011 11:25pm

beepimasheep wrote: »

I'm living in Dublin SE and can't believe people are considering voting for E. Murphy (FG) in Dublin SE, reminds me of the Royston Brady campaign for the European elections few years ago, all spin and no substance, PR gimmickry...

I'll be voting for Paul Sommerville for his expert analysis on the banking crisis and for his sound policies on economic recovery.

I fully agree and I think the meeting on Monday will give him a further boost as he has the clear support of people who actually know how to get us out of this mess!!!

By the way, if you are going ....have you registered? If not you might want to do so sooner rather than later..... McWilliams and Constantine will be big draws in themselves

Roy

bamboozle · 17-02-2011 10:30am

onekeano wrote: »

I fully agree and I think the meeting on Monday will give him a further boost as he has the clear support of people who actually know how to get us out of this mess!!!

By the way, if you are going ....have you registered? If not you might want to do so sooner rather than later..... McWilliams and Constantine will be big draws in themselves

Roy

do you have to register? no mention of that on his site or tweets

Eutow · 17-02-2011 5:20pm

Stan&Bobby wrote: »

FACT: It is very likely that FG and Labour will form the next Government

FACT: If 2 Labour and 2 FG candidates are elected, Dublin South East will have NO opposition in the constituency to represent the views of the electorate.

So what are you suggesting here then? That we elect somebody specifically to be in opposition. The whole point of an election is to vote for somebody that will best represent us. It is not to appoint somebody to be good in opposition. Why would you vote for somebody and then want them to represent our views from the opposition benches? It does not make sense. If we elect somebody and they fail to represent us then we will just elect somebody else at the next election. Also, how would the single seat constituency proposals of Fianna Fail and other parties sit with your "No opposition in the constituency to represent the views of the electorate" statement? One seat, one candidate so no TD's from different parties getting elected.

Stan&Bobby wrote: »

FACT: If re-elected as a backbench TD in opposition Chris will continue to fight for change, for transparency and for Ireland to regain our economic prosperity.

If he wants transpareny, good fiscal management of our economy and change why does he continue to be a member of Fianna Fail? This organisation will never deliver change.

Stan&Bobby wrote: »

FACT: Dublin South East needs strong, credible opposition (Not a hard left alliance with Gerry Adams as chief opposition spokesperson dominating Dail speaking time).

Agreed. Dublin South East and every other constituency in Ireland needs strong credible representatives and opposition but candidates who remain part of the Fianna Fail organisation will not offer this.

Also, why do you mention Gerry Adams while speaking about Dublin South East?

Stan&Bobby wrote: »

FACT: Chris has proven his ability to fight for change within Government. In opposition he will ensure that it is delivered.

How exactly will he deliver change from opposition? Fianna Fail didn't change while his party has been in government.

Stan&Bobby wrote: »

FACT: Chris wants to re-build Fianna Fáil to make it the party of the people once more. There is a place for Fianna Fáil in Irish politics. Don’t get rid of an excellent representative to prove a point to the wider party. Dublin South East will lose out if this happens.

If Chris really wants change he should not waste his time and effort trying to change the toxic sludge that is Fianna Fail. Fianna Fail are beyond saving. They cannot be changed and a vote for Chris Andrews is a vote for Fianna Fail and a vote for more of the same.

NuMarvel · 17-02-2011 5:38pm

_Bella_ wrote: »

I couldn't disagree more with the posters who say Eoghan Murphy is a gimmick. Anyone anyway who believed for a second that photo was staged is an idiot. He is very well-spoken, has good policies and I believe he will become a prominent member of the Fine Gael party and would not be surprised if he is minister in 15 or 20 years.

Then, in the scenarioe presented to us in that photo, where exactly was Mr Murphy expecting the swimmer to put the flyer? Under his swimming cap or down the front of his shorts??

MURF71 · 17-02-2011 5:56pm

in the event of punishing FF we may possibly get rid of decent representatives this is true of all parties
if FF only gets a handful of TD's (which they deserve) i would like of chris to be one of them

ebbsy · 17-02-2011 8:15pm

The result here is very certain - 2 FG and 2 Labour. With FF and the INDS bringing up the rear.

Thats not saying that I have any love of Labour - in fact I can't stand them.

ebbsy · 17-02-2011 8:17pm

MURF71 wrote: »

in the event of punishing FF we may possibly get rid of decent representatives this is true of all parties
if FF only gets a handful of TD's (which they deserve) i would like of chris to be one of them

Yeah he has done a great job with the commercial rates.

steelcityblues · 18-02-2011 12:38am

Decent meeting in Rathmines Town Hall tonight!

Somerville and Creighton were the joint best speakers IMHO, even if I radically oppose Creighton on certain issues. She's tough too!

Mannix and Haskins not far behind - Mannix was subdued by his standards.

Sheehy somewhere in between. the SF guy surprisingly didn't highlight FF's failures enough.

Fis Nua guy looked very nervous, but gave a reasonable speech, esp. on St. Luke's.

Murphy is just a bland walking cliche machine - would even prefer Creighton to get in ahead of him.

The guy Coyle was stilted and spent more time talking about his rugby days. Think he will finish last on first prefs.

Gorlmless - late to the debate and a breathtaking arrogance and revision of recent history once he got there.

Mooney and Humphreys - too late to really judge!

Andrews didn't turn up - has he given up the ghost? Ruairi Quinn also absent.

The woman in the audience whose husband didn't get cancer treatment in enough time - hard to listen to her story.

MURF71 · 18-02-2011 2:43am

steelcityblues- very good overview at times it felt like a joe duffy show but good overall

hsh · 18-02-2011 10:43am

ebbsy wrote: »

The result here is very certain - 2 FG and 2 Labour. With FF and the INDS bringing up the rear.

Thats not saying that I have any love of Labour - in fact I can't stand them.

When people go into the polling stations they won't find anything pre-completed on their ballot forms.

steelcityblues · 18-02-2011 3:41pm

MURF71 wrote: »

steelcityblues- very good overview at times it felt like a joe duffy show but good overall

Thanks! Nearly got to ask a question too (about potential prosecution of bankers), but Aine Lawlor stared right through me and her eyes said 'sit down'!

liveline · 18-02-2011 8:03pm

ebbsy wrote: »

The result here is very certain - 2 FG and 2 Labour. With FF and the INDS bringing up the rear.

Thats not saying that I have any love of Labour - in fact I can't stand them.

I wouldn't be so certain Labour will get a second seat here. I'd put my money on Sommerville. I know quite a lot of people who have said they'll vote for him. And he's been getting a lot of media coverage.

Monife · 18-02-2011 9:50pm

Havent got my voting card. Other people in the block have. Moved to this area so only on the register since November so worried they have f**ked up somewhere.

Can you vote without voting card and just bring ID?

holidaysong · 18-02-2011 10:18pm

I haven't got my polling card either. It happened me before though and I was able to vote no problem when I produced my passport. Make sure to bring that along though rather than some student or work ID.

Monife · 19-02-2011 9:49pm

Got my polling card. Said my polling station was Zion Hall on Bushy Park road... is that right? I thought it would be in Orwell Hall in Rathgar seeing as that is a few mins down the road and there is a polling station there as far as I know.

liveline · 19-02-2011 11:55pm

Monife wrote: »

Got my polling card. Said my polling station was Zion Hall on Bushy Park road... is that right? I thought it would be in Orwell Hall in Rathgar seeing as that is a few mins down the road and there is a polling station there as far as I know.

My family home is in Orwell area and have always voted in Zion Hall

ebbsy · 20-02-2011 1:44pm

liveline wrote: »

I wouldn't be so certain Labour will get a second seat here. I'd put my money on Sommerville. I know quite a lot of people who have said they'll vote for him. And he's been getting a lot of media coverage.

He's in 6th place with Paddypower at 5/2. Andrews is 5th at evens.

liveline · 20-02-2011 2:17pm

ebbsy wrote: »

He's in 6th place with Paddypower at 5/2. Andrews is 5th at evens.

Yes I know, I've already put €60 on him to take the seat.

ebbsy · 20-02-2011 8:37pm

liveline wrote: »

Yes I know, I've already put €60 on him to take the seat.

Best of luck with that.......I believe he is chairing a high profile meeting in Ballsbridge next week?

liveline · 20-02-2011 8:44pm

ebbsy wrote: »

Best of luck with that.......I believe he is chairing a high profile meeting in Ballsbridge next week?

Cheers. Yep its tomorrow evening. I think the last seat will be between him and Humphries of Labour. Humphries will do better on transfers from a lot of the left wing candidates so it will be tight. But there seems to be a good bit of momentum in his campaign.

onekeano · 20-02-2011 10:23pm

Please note that meeting has been moved to much larger venue because of demand - so it's D4 Hotels @ 8pm Monday.

Please pass on the word to anyone you know who was interested in attending!!!

Roy

hotmail.com · 20-02-2011 11:57pm

Anyone else hear Dylan Haskins on Sam Smyth this morning on Today FM. He sounded very good and if I lived in DSE, I'd be giving him my number 1.

Has he any chance?

bamboozle · 21-02-2011 10:52am

hotmail.com wrote: »

Anyone else hear Dylan Haskins on Sam Smyth this morning on Today FM. He sounded very good and if I lived in DSE, I'd be giving him my number 1.

Has he any chance?[/QUOTE]

nope

however if he can turn all his face book buddies into voters we may seem him poll well in local elections in the future.

Jack Sheehan · 22-02-2011 12:56pm

Haskins hasn't much appeal outside of Boards/Trinity but credit must be given for the way he executed the campaign. He has a future in politics if he forms some sort of coherent platform.

onekeano · 22-02-2011 6:59pm

ebbsy wrote: »

He's in 6th place with Paddypower at 5/2. Andrews is 5th at evens.

Andrews went out to 11/8 yesterday and out further to 13/8 today.....being party of a toxic party is the end for him

Roy

steelcityblues · 23-02-2011 6:22pm

Walking down Mt.Drummond earlier, where the only posters on lamposts where the new rectangular ones of Chris Andrews - the same lamposts where FG, Labour and SF candidates were placed a week ago.

Looks suspicious.

Boulevardier · 23-02-2011 9:01pm

It looks certain that Quinn, Lucinda and Murphy will get in. The 4th seat is between Humphreys, Andrews and possibly Sommerville. Gormless is toast. I would put Kevin H. in front for that seat.

hotmail.com · 23-02-2011 9:12pm

Will Lucinda lose any votes because of her unintelligent comments about marriage?

Morzadec · 23-02-2011 9:52pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Will Lucinda lose any votes because of her unintelligent comments about marriage?

I heard about this,what did she exactly say? A lot of angry people posting on her facebook page

holidaysong · 23-02-2011 11:06pm

She said the following on Twitter:

"I supported the Civil Partnership Bill fully I dont support gay marriage"

"I think marriage is primarily about children, main purpose being to propagate &create environment for children to grow up. Its a good policy for society to support male/female marriage imo. I think civil partrship should ensure gay couples r treated fairly and justly re tax inheritance etc & recognition by the State But marriage is different"

http://twitter.com/#!/LCreighton

_Bella_ · 23-02-2011 11:10pm

Murphy said on this topic:

I don't think the state should discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation. Gay couples should be allowed to marry. That's my own opinion, I don't speak for any of my colleagues. Cheers

Monife · 24-02-2011 10:14am

I think she will lose a lot of votes if there is a strong gay community in Dublin South East (no idea if there is). I am straight but I find her comments extremely backwards. Come on we are living in the 21st century. She was going to get a 4th or 5th preference off me but she isnt now. Also has backwards and xenophobic views on immigration. If you are pro-catholic, anti-civil rights, vote Fine Gael, if not vote Labour!

Boulevardier · 24-02-2011 3:54pm

Unfortunately, those remarks will do her no harm. There is a big pro-life and "pro-family" vote in areas like Rathgar. She has clearly signalled to them that she is their candidate.

joulter · 24-02-2011 3:59pm

i saw gormley and eamon ryan canvassing at the luas stop on stephens green on the news earlier. Almost felt sorry for them as everyone was ignoring them and walking straight past!

I think it'll go Quinn,Creighton, Murphy and then a fight between humphreys,somerville,andrews and gormley for the last seat.

onekeano · 24-02-2011 4:43pm

joulter wrote: »

i saw gormley and eamon ryan canvassing at the luas stop on stephens green on the news earlier. Almost felt sorry for them as everyone was ignoring them and walking straight past!

I think it'll go Quinn,Creighton, Murphy and then a fight between humphreys,somerville,andrews and gormley for the last seat.

I think this shows it's ebtween Sommerville and Humphreys. It also shows that there has been a consistent move for Sommerville since the huge attendance at the meeting on Monday in Jurys. Maybe this shows why....

This time tomorrow 7/4 might be looking very generous..... he was 3/1 before the Jurys gig!!

Roy

Dublin South East

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