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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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  • #9752
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Izzy Skint wrote: »
    BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !
    BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
    BAAAA BAAAAA BAAAAA!!!

    think i will get a slap up indian take away tonight... wooohoooo!!!

    thanks for paying sheep :)) BAAAAA!
    * backs away slowly *


  • #9753
    Wild Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    Latest bulletin from la-la land:
    black francis wrote: »
    60% have not registered -

    terrible result for the anti household tax campaign.

    :D


  • #9754
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Nate--IRL-- wrote: »
    How is that a terrible result?

    Nate
    Sionach wrote: »
    I thought 40% was less then 60%!
    How is this a terrible result if the majority haven't paid?


    Clutching.
    At.
    Straws.


    That is all.


  • #9755
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Helix wrote: »
    you don't need a car, you do need a home

    You do if you live in many rural areas - it's the lack of local services like public transport and the like ;).


  • #9756
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,220 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Austo77 wrote: »
    Only motorists pay motor tax.

    Bull**** answer. Nearly everyone lives in a house but only owners are charged this tax.


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  • #9757
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Clutching.
    At.
    Straws.


    That is all.

    Would that be 60% or 40% of straws being clutched at?


  • #9758
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    lugha wrote: »
    Well I think there are a number of diverse reasons why people think this tax is wrong. But the point I make here is that double taxation isn’t one of them, or at least double taxation is not the best description of the argument being put. It is more an argument that the tax is not fair.

    Any other section? Well let’s see. Motorists pay tax which far exceeds the cost of maintaining the road network. And the excess monies they pay is a tax that nobody else has to pay. Is that not discriminatory?

    You don't have to own a car.
    You have to live somewhere.


  • #9759
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    Sionach wrote: »
    I thought 40% was less then 60%!
    How is this a terrible result if the majority haven't paid?

    Because there's no chance of the charge being scrapped now.


  • #9760
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,220 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    lividduck wrote: »
    How are the elected government an illigitmate regime?
    Muppets..certainly
    At odds with public opinion..definitley
    But an Illigitamate regime?, please!

    Because they lied and made false promises to get there. Bought votes in other words. No better than Bertie or Pee Flynn in my opinion. I hate liars.


  • #9761
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    black francis wrote: »
    It seems that very few who have waivers are registering, which if anything is pushing the compliance % down.

    Still, over 40% have registered and the deadline is still 7 hours away!

    Terrible result for the anti household tax campaign.

    60% not registering is a terrible result????


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  • #9762
    Wild Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    40% of €160 million would pay for 35% of the extra interest on the additional debt Baldy Noonan secured for us in Europe yesterday. :cool:

    That's why it's a big success for the Blueshirts :pac:


  • #9763
    Wild Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    60% not registering is a terrible result????

    It is - for the Regime - but "denial" isn't just a river in Egypt as the saying goes :D


  • #9764
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,220 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    black francis wrote: »
    It seems that very few who have waivers are registering, which if anything is pushing the compliance % down.

    Still, over 40% have registered and the deadline is still 7 hours away!

    Terrible result for the anti household tax campaign.

    ONE MILLION have failed to register. 1,000,000 households.
    Only 600,000 have registered, many exempt. AND even those have been manipulated i'd safely say.
    You boys failed.


  • #9765
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Sionach wrote: »
    I thought 40% was less then 60%!
    How is this a terrible result if the majority haven't paid?

    If you get less that 40% on an exam, you certainly have failed! :pac:


  • #9766
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Bull**** answer. Nearly everyone lives in a house but only owners are charged this tax.
    The argument was that this house hold charge is discriminatory because, as you say, only owners and not necessarily occupiers will pay.

    But only motorists contribute to the pool of tax that remains when the cost of maintaining the road network is taken out. So this is every bit as much discriminatory against motorists as the household charge is against owners. No?


  • #9767
    melekalikimaka
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    Helix wrote: »
    you don't need a car, you do need a home

    you dont need a home - get real, ever hear of renting?


  • #9768
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    black francis wrote: »
    Because there's no chance of the charge being scrapped now.

    So, they'll spend more chasing the 60% than they'll take in.
    Sounds about right!


  • #9769
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    black francis wrote: »
    Because there's no chance of the charge being scrapped now.

    Lol.

    Again, Francis cannot hide his glee that a new charge might be brought in, and he will have to pay more money on something?

    Your the only person I've ever met that would be happy to pay extra taxes?

    Do you actually realise how silly your coming across in your posts:rolleyes:?


  • #9770
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    You don't have to own a car.
    You have to live somewhere.
    Irrelevant to your discriminatory claim. And of course that discrimination is precisely what allows you to live somewhere and not pay the charge.


  • #9771
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,080 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    Izzy Skint wrote: »
    BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !
    BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
    BAAAA BAAAAA BAAAAA!!!

    think i will get a slap up indian take away tonight... wooohoooo!!!

    thanks for paying sheep :)) BAAAAA!


    Mod

    Baaaaaaanned. Flaming etc.


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  • #9772
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    melekalikimaka wrote: »
    you dont need a home - get real, ever hear of renting?

    Ok, so, coming from a mod.

    To avoid paying a property tax.


    Sell your house, then rent?


    Pass the doobie when your finished kind sir:P


  • #9773
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,220 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    lugha wrote: »
    The argument was that this house hold charge is discriminatory because, as you say, only owners and not necessarily occupiers will pay.

    But only motorists contribute to the pool of tax that remains when the cost of maintaining the road network is taken out. So this is every bit as much discriminatory against motorists as the household charge is against owners. No?

    No it isn't.
    If I am a motorist i would expect to pay Motor Tax.
    If I was a home owner I would also expect ALL home owners to have to pay.
    If only half the road users had to pay Road Tax would you object ?


  • #9774
    Wild Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    black francis wrote: »
    Because there's no chance of the charge being scrapped now.

    After the next election (when this Regime is still be struggling to collect this extortion) a new democratic Government will revoke all penalties associated with this illegitimate tax, abolish it and cancel the "debt" of anyone who hasn't paid.

    The saps who buckled and paid can expect no such respite.


  • #9775
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    tayto lover wrote: »
    ONE MILLION have failed to register. 1,000,000 households.
    Only 600,000 have registered, many exempt. AND even those have been manipulated i'd safely say.
    You boys failed.

    Remember when Tayto.....

    tayto lover wrote: »
    Well i'd say 14% is an exaggeration. I don't know anyone who paid it.


    Do you look back in fondness?


  • #9776
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    60% not registering is a terrible result????
    Could we not apply the same logic to say that 5,000 people (lets be generous and assume they are all home owners) turned out to protest today, so 1,595,000 did not?

    If 40% is bad, what is 3%? :pac:


  • #9777
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,220 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    melekalikimaka wrote: »
    you dont need a home - get real, ever hear of renting?

    Another mad post. Do you expect people to sell up and rent ?
    If so who would they sell to ?
    People bought their homes and paid Stamp Duty even some F.G. people are now saying it's double tax for homeowners.


  • #9778
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Ok, so, coming from a mod.

    To avoid paying a property tax.


    Sell your house, then rent?


    Pass the doobie when your finished kind sir:P

    What does it matter that it's a mod?


  • #9779
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    melekalikimaka wrote: »
    you dont need a home - get real, ever hear of renting?
    Sure we'll all sell up and rent then.:rolleyes:


  • #9780
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Lol.

    Again, Francis cannot hide his glee that a new charge might be brought in, and he will have to pay more money on something?

    Your the only person I've ever met that would be happy to pay extra taxes?

    Do you actually realise how silly your coming across in your posts:rolleyes:?

    It's silly to desire a stable and sustainable tax base to get us out of the mess we're in? No-one's 'happy' to pay taxes, but some of us accept that it's a 'good' thing to do so in the face of the alternatives.


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  • #9781
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,220 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    black francis wrote: »
    Remember when Tayto.....





    Do you look back in fondness?

    With all the scaremongering the PRO side did I didn't expect ONE MILLION (probably even more if truth were told) not to register and not to pay in fairness.


  • #9782
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    tayto lover wrote: »
    No it isn't.
    If I am a motorist i would expect to pay Motor Tax.
    If I was a home owner I would also expect ALL home owners to have to pay.
    If only half the road users had to pay Road Tax would you object ?

    All home owners do have to pay - except for the few who are denied certain local authority services because they're in unfinished estate limbo.


  • #9783
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,220 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    alastair wrote: »
    It's silly to desire a stable and sustainable tax base to get us out of the mess we're in? No-one's 'happy' to pay taxes, but some of us accept that it's a 'good' thing to do so in the face of the alternatives.

    Stable and sustainable maybe but fair .... NO.


  • #9784
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    Wild Bill wrote: »
    After the next election (when this Regime is still be struggling to collect this extortion) a new democratic Government will revoke all penalties associated with this illegitimate tax, abolish it and cancel the "debt" of anyone who hasn't paid.

    The saps who buckled and paid can expect no such respite.
    By the sound of it after the next election (fair and democratic, like the last one) you will still be going on about "illigitimate regimes".
    Since you so despise representative democracy (the sytem we use) how do propose that a legitimate government be elected?
    BTW referring to those who chose to pay for whatever reason as "saps" is offensive, I dont insult those who oppose this tax and wont pay, I would like the same couretesy to be shown to those who chose to pay.


  • #9785
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    lugha wrote: »
    Could we not apply the same logic to say that 5,000 people (lets be generous and assume they are all home owners) turned out to protest today, so 1,595,000 did not?

    If 40% is bad, what is 3%? :pac:

    People don't have to go on a march in Dublin to protest!
    Not paying is a protest.


  • #9786
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    tayto lover wrote: »
    No it isn't.
    If I am a motorist i would expect to pay Motor Tax.
    If I was a home owner I would also expect ALL home owners to have to pay.
    If only half the road users had to pay Road Tax would you object ?
    First, some road users (pedestrians, cyclists, public transport users) don’t pay. But the more important point is that those that do pay, pay considerable more than what is needed to maintain the roads. Thus, motorists have to pay this extra tax to the exchequer, that nobody else has to pay, because they are motorists! How is this not discriminatory?


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  • #9787
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Stable and sustainable maybe but fair .... NO.

    Absolutely fair. And here to stay.


  • #9788
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    alastair wrote: »
    Absolutely fair. And here to stay.

    60% of people might disagree with you.

    (welcome back btw)


  • #9789
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    LOL. And it's a great result for Phil.
    black francis wrote: »
    Still, over 40% have registered and the deadline is still 7 hours away!

    Terrible result for the anti household tax campaign.


  • #9790
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    People don't have to go on a march in Dublin to protest!
    Not paying is a protest.

    Or tardiness, or disinterest, or confusion, or...

    Is not attending the protest, a protest against the protest?


  • #9791
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    alastair wrote: »
    Absolutely fair. And here to stay.

    Fair that people who own property subsidise those that don't?


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  • #9792
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Ghandee wrote: »
    60% of people might disagree with you.

    (welcome back btw)

    They might, or they might not. Neither of us know for sure. They'll still have to pay up all the same.


  • #9793
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    alastair wrote: »
    Or tardiness, or disinterest, or confusion, or...

    Is not attending the protest, a protest against the protest?

    Are you on something?


  • #9794
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    People don't have to go on a march in Dublin to protest!
    Not paying is a protest.
    Some who did not pay did so as a protest. Some were undoubtedly biding their time to see if the whole thing would collapse. We will only know what the true level of opposition is when we see who still haven't paid in a few months.


  • #9795
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    lugha wrote: »
    Some who did not pay did so as a protest. Some were undoubtedly biding their time to see if the whole thing would collapse. We will only know what the true level of opposition is when we see who still haven't paid in a few months.

    We'll see when they whack it up 10 fold who'll pay next year, if it's not scrapped by then.


  • #9796
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Fair that people who own property subsidise those that don't?

    Just as those who drive might possibly subsidise those who don't? Yep.
    Is it fair that your taxes support welfare for others? Yep. I'd say so. Taxes are a social contract.


  • #9797
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Are you on something?

    Just following your logic through to its obvious conclusion.


  • #9798
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,220 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    lugha wrote: »
    Some who did not pay did so as a protest. Some were undoubtedly biding their time to see if the whole thing would collapse. We will only know what the true level of opposition is when we see who still haven't paid in a few months.
    Ah NO, the deadline is midnight.


  • #9799
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    alastair wrote: »
    Taxes are a social contract.
    Only if you sign up!


  • #9800
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Ah NO, the deadline is midnight.

    It is? Because it seems to me that you can continue to pay up with little additional overhead for a few months yet. It's a pretty insipid deadline.


  • #9801
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Ah NO, the deadline is midnight.
    Not so. The early bird special finishes tonight! You can still pay tomorrow, only a little more! I expect the number of payees to continue to rise.


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