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Bishops have asked that our elected representatives follow a different road

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  • #202
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    PeterIanStaker wrote: »
    If the RCC were honest, which they aren't, they would ditch the whole jesus, god, heaven backstory and admit they want to control your life from the cradle to the grave.
    Christianity II - The Sequel


  • #203
    moonpurple
    Closed Accounts Posts: 852 ✭✭✭moonpurple


    PeterIanStaker wrote: »
    As I've said before, progress is anathema to the church. The bishops attempted to weigh in on Lisbon, and even though I was young, I remember the god squad's opposition to the divorce referendum.
    Anything that brings us into line with the rest of the world has got to be a bad thing, from their perspective, because it lessens their control.
    If the RCC were honest, which they aren't, they would ditch the whole jesus, god, heaven backstory and admit they want to control your life from the cradle to the grave.


    Archbishop Martin made an interesting statement before Lisbon 2 following Cardinal Brady's clear no recommendation on lisbon 1
    Archbishop Martin stated 'let each vote according to their conscience'
    we are now watching the disappearance of Archbishop Martin
    he will join this man only in a slower way

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%93scar_Romero


  • #204
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    dvpower wrote: »
    Christianity II - The Sequel

    The Prince of Peace is back... and this time, he's pissed off!


  • #205
    Bobeagleburger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,735 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    Bash the Bishop


  • #206
    me_right_one
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭me_right_one


    dvpower wrote: »
    I don't think anyone would suggest that they aren't entitled to their opinions.
    Once they leave it at that. In the bad old days they had the ability to enforce their opinions. Thankfully those days are long over and we now have the opportunity to reject their opinions.

    This fella is suggesting just that............

    Butch Cassidy wrote: »
    And bishops don't want democracy. They want autocracy.

    The church tells people how to vote such as they did during various referendums over our history.
    That is not democracy.


    The bishops were lobbying for their point-of-view, as democratic voters, just as gay and lesbian groups constantly do. Nobody was telling(:rolleyes:) anybody what to do. Everyone has a right to have their say, its not as if bishops are all members of the anti-homosexaul, anti-lisbon, anti-divorce ku-klux-klan. If someone doesnt agree with what they have to say, so what? I cant believe the anti catholic bias in this thread, it would be amusing if it wasnt so venomous.

    PeterIanStaker wrote: »
    As I've said before, progress is anathema to the church. The bishops attempted to weigh in on Lisbon, and even though I was young, I remember the god squad's opposition to the divorce referendum.
    Anything that brings us into line with the rest of the world has got to be a bad thing, from their perspective, because it lessens their control.
    If the RCC were honest, which they aren't, they would ditch the whole jesus, god, heaven backstory and admit they want to control your life from the cradle to the grave.


    HA! See what I mean? Grow up will ya, get out of the past. Move on, this is 2010, not the 1400's


  • #207
    PeterIanStaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    me_right_one wrote: »
    Move on, this is 2010, not the 1400's

    Try telling that to the Church :rolleyes:


  • #208
    me_right_one
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭me_right_one


    PeterIanStaker wrote: »
    Try telling that to the Church :rolleyes:

    No, I'm telling YOU! When did a church member or cleric ever torture you or try to "control" your life? Do they put drugs in the water or something? How exactly do you think they control peoples lives? Asking their elected rep to represent them is NOT controlling people.


  • #209
    admiralofthefleet
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    fuck them and their evil cult


  • #210
    RobbieTheRobber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    me_right_one wrote: »
    No, I'm telling YOU! When did a church member or cleric ever torture you or try to "control" your life? Do they put drugs in the water or something? How exactly do you think they control peoples lives? Asking their elected rep to represent them is NOT controlling people.

    First off he is not looking for his representative to represent him he is asking the government to interfer in a matter which does not affect priests( because well their own rules say they should not be in any partnership civil or cermonial excepting with God)

    People in positions of power ( I think a bishop qualifies) should stay out of affairs which are none of their concern.

    This is a legal matter and should be dealt with by the democratically and legally elected government of ireland, not by some tool who is appointed by a German who hides in Rome.

    His remite is ecuminical matters, not matters of state and he would do well to shut the F up!


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  • #211
    PeterIanStaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    me_right_one wrote: »
    No, I'm telling YOU!

    Welcome to my ignore list


  • #212
    paultheviking
    Closed Accounts Posts: 71 ✭✭paultheviking


    me_right_one wrote: »
    No, I'm telling YOU! When did a church member or cleric ever torture you or try to "control" your life? Do they put drugs in the water or something? How exactly do you think they control peoples lives? Asking their elected rep to represent them is NOT controlling people.


    Take it easy.. it's the hipocrasy that gets on my tits, they spend all their time covering up the raping and beating of children, only to come on the radio/telly/newspaper thinking they are relevant in our lives..

    MAYBE if it wasn't for all the two faced cover ups people might have a bit more respect for what they have to say..


  • #213
    Jenroche
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭Jenroche


    The Bishops should take a reality pill and realize that they have lost the right to dictate to people how to live their lives. This is not the 1950's any more and any respect people might have had for them has been lost as one child abuse case after another comes to light. They have NO right to try and sway the voting on same-sex civil partnerships so they can take their request and shove it up sideways! :mad:

    Jen ;->


  • #214
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    PeterIanStaker wrote: »
    Welcome to my ignore list

    You don't need to tell people that, thats quite rude.


  • #215
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    Jenroche wrote: »
    The Bishops should take a reality pill and realize that they have lost the right to dictate to people how to live their lives. This is not the 1950's any more and any respect people might have had for them has been lost as one child abuse case after another comes to light. They have NO right to try and sway the voting on same-sex civil partnerships so they can take their request and shove it up sideways! :mad:

    Jen ;->

    Anoo, that catholic church needs to get over it!!! As you say its not the 1900s... people do have a life you know, i really am getting sick of that church and its ways.


  • #216
    Butch Cassidy
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    me_right_one wrote: »
    The bishops were lobbying for their point-of-view, as democratic voters, just as gay and lesbian groups constantly do. Nobody was telling(:rolleyes:) anybody what to do. Everyone has a right to have their say, its not as if bishops are all members of the anti-homosexaul, anti-lisbon, anti-divorce ku-klux-klan. If someone doesnt agree with what they have to say, so what? I cant believe the anti catholic bias in this thread, it would be amusing if it wasnt so venomous.


    Hang on, are you for real? Are you actually for f**king real? Like serious? You think this is just some guys lobbying against new legislation? You're really that naïve? Sweet Jesus! Lord help us. :rolleyes:



    I can't believe there's still people taking the book of Leviticus as truth....


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  • #217
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,635 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Butch Cassidy wrote: »
    Hang on, are you for real? Are you actually for f**king real? Like serious? You think this is just some guys lobbying against new legislation? You're really that naïve? Sweet Jesus! Lord help us. :rolleyes:



    I can't believe there's still people taking the book of Leviticus as truth....

    Tis true:
    Liviticus 11:9-12 wrote:
    9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
    10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
    11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
    12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

    And yet there are these guys...

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #218
    Butch Cassidy
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    There's far more in Leviticus than just "gays are evil". It's kind of a guide book on how to concieve but there's some bonkers stuff in it. Especially about women being "unclean"


  • #219
    Evie Gifted Stubbornness
    Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Evie Gifted Stubbornness


    Butch Cassidy wrote: »
    There's far more in Leviticus than just "gays are evil". It's kind of a guide book on how to concieve but there's some bonkers stuff in it. Especially about women being "unclean"

    I liked the "don't wear messy clothes or let your hair get messy or god will kill you"
    Also interesting there was a "crime" or two punishable by death, can't remember the specifics but something we wouldn't think about now, which had a harsher punishment than homosexuality :rolleyes:


  • #220
    moonpurple
    Closed Accounts Posts: 852 ✭✭✭moonpurple


    now a fianna fail minister is keen to disagree with the bishops and their call

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0618/1224272795107.html


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