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N8/N25/N40 - Dunkettle Interchange [open to traffic]

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  • Registered Users Posts: 48 macflea


    apart from dunkettle upgrade ,is there any movement on the north ring road , surely this would take the pressure off the tunnel for anyone coming from the west of the city, they could easily divert around the north side of city and join the glanmire bypass onto fermoy and dublin etc .i dread to imagine what the traffic will be like through the tunnel once they start the upgrade.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Looks awful, but that pic is on an exceptionally bad day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭blindsider


    Looks awful, but that pic is on an exceptionally bad day.

    Is it though?

    I'm not sure it is. Traffic is beginning to return to 'pre-crash' levels, and another 6 - 12 months will see steady and increasing traffic.

    NRA etc need to get moving!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 822 ✭✭✭zetalambda


    macflea wrote: »
    apart from dunkettle upgrade ,is there any movement on the north ring road , surely this would take the pressure off the tunnel for anyone coming from the west of the city, they could easily divert around the north side of city and join the glanmire bypass onto fermoy and dublin etc .i dread to imagine what the traffic will be like through the tunnel once they start the upgrade.

    And if they build it to motorway standard, a toll could probably be justified. For a lot of motorists, it would come down to a choice of driving on the highly congested south ring or pay a couple of Euro to take the north ring which would be higher speed, less congested, shorter distance and fewer junctions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Pablo Escobar


    zetalambda wrote: »
    And if they build it to motorway standard, a toll could probably be justified. For a lot of motorists, it would come down to a choice of driving on the highly congested south ring or pay a couple of Euro to take the north ring which would be higher speed, less congested, shorter distance and fewer junctions.
    First of all, the South Ring is "to motorway standard" without the classification. If they did make the North ring a motorway, the speed limit would probably top out at 100kmh like the M50. The attraction would most likely be lower traffic volumes although this is pure speculation on my part. But the traffic couldn't be as heavy as the South Ring is currently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Pablo Escobar


    cork_south wrote: »
    This pic shows how badly the interchange needs to be upgraded.

    http://imgur.com/YIqquBv

    This junction in the pic is the Bloomfield Interchange which is 4/5 km from the Dunkettle Roundabout, the source of the problem. So that means another 4 km of traffic queuing that we can't see and the pic shows the traffic backed up over the Kinsale Road Roundabout flyover. This is not a rare occurance, I've often seen it despite not living in Cork anymore. What I do notice is that we're particularly quiet about our traffic problems.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 822 ✭✭✭zetalambda


    First of all, the South Ring is "to motorway standard" without the classification. If they did make the North ring a motorway, the speed limit would probably top out at 100kmh like the M50. The attraction would most likely be lower traffic volumes although this is pure speculation on my part. But the traffic couldn't be as heavy as the South Ring is currently.

    I can't see any reason why the north ring road if built to motorway standard could not have a 120 speed limit. There are only 3 junctions planned between the M8 and Ballincollig. South ring junctions are too close to each other. Intermittant sections are built to motorway standard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Truckermal


    Any update on this I see tree's being cut down on the Dublin side of the roundabout today. Realistically the Bloomfield, Mahon and little island interchanges need upgrading too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    This 120 not allowed with close junctions is ráiméis, look at the M1 J2-J3 : <0.5km between end of onmerge and offmerge start


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    zetalambda wrote: »
    I can't see any reason why the north ring road if built to motorway standard could not have a 120 speed limit. There are only 3 junctions planned between the M8 and Ballincollig. South ring junctions are too close to each other. Intermittant sections are built to motorway standard.

    Agree. The M50 from J13/14 (in Sandyford) to the M11 at Shankill is 120kph.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,241 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    I agree the North Ring road would likely be 120kmh.
    HOWEVER:
    The critical local roads improvements are the tunnel interchange and Cork-Limerick road. Both of these come well ahead of the north ring road in terms of likelihood.

    There's zero political interest in improving Cork infrastructure. The airport and port are both in very bad situations.

    The south west is the only part of the country with increasing unemployment rates. Probably all just a coincidence.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    I agree the North Ring road would likely be 120kmh.
    HOWEVER:
    The critical local roads improvements are the tunnel interchange and Cork-Limerick road. Both of these come well ahead of the north ring road in terms of likelihood.

    There's zero political interest in improving Cork infrastructure. The airport and port are both in very bad situations.

    The south west is the only part of the country with increasing unemployment rates. Probably all just a coincidence.
    What? The airport is right next to the recently improved N40 and the port is going to have an N28 upgrade very soon. Airport passenger numbers and freight is up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,241 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Airport passenger numbers are drastically down.
    The port upgrade "very soon" is actually scheduled for "no fixed date".

    Edit:
    Airport numbers
    http://www.independent.ie/business/more-than-a-million-fliers-bypass-120m-cork-airport-30975357.html
    Port not being upgraded until the N28 is upgraded
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/computer-simulations-of-port-of-cork-plan-unveiled-257658.html
    And that's not going to be done until finding is approved: 2017 at the earliest
    http://www.n28cork-ringaskiddy.com/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,241 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Also, the N40 improvements don't really affect the airport.

    It's nice that the main flow of traffic no longer uses the Kinsale road roundabout, but doesn't have a major effect on flights.
    Your "recently improved" is actually 10 years ago now too.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    Occasionally I have to meet people at Cork Airport and the access isn't bad from the N40 - the problem is where the tunnel/M8/N25 intersect.

    Any plans to fix that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,538 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Any plans to fix that?

    Yes. That's what this thread is about.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    Ah! So that's the Dunkettle interchange :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,241 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Ah! So that's the Dunkettle interchange :o

    Technically it's the tunnel interchange, with the Dunkettle interchange a few hundred metres west of it!
    Sorry, I just had to complicate it more!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,561 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    Technically it's the tunnel interchange, with the Dunkettle interchange a few hundred metres west of it!
    Sorry, I just had to complicate it more!

    Not correct. The west most roundabout is the Dunkettle Roundabout. The one at the tunnel is the Dunkettle Interchange.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,241 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    You're spot on, Augustus.
    The Dunkettle Roundabout is not the roundabout at the Dunkettle interchange.
    The roundabout at the Dunkettle interchange is the tunnel roundabout.

    Apologies!

    It's almost as much of a mess in naming as it is in planning!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭moyners




  • Registered Users Posts: 140 ✭✭Michael..


    Very bad news indeed. I thought funding was already available for this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭KCAccidental


    Seems like Cork is becoming the forgotten city when it comes to infrastructural investment!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 797 ✭✭✭mydiscworld


    Michael.. wrote: »
    Very bad news indeed. I thought funding was already available for this.

    Indeed. Talks with the landowners have been going on for months. Any without agreement to be CPO'd. Very odd


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    Indeed. Talks with the landowners have been going on for months. Any without agreement to be CPO'd. Very odd

    Actually a very astute move because getting the landowners onside removes the need for a costly CPO process and the potential for legal challenges etc.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Seems like Cork is becoming the forgotten city when it comes to infrastructural investment!
    Cork just had Bandon/Sarsfield and Dublin has only had Newlands X in the last 5 years. And no new roads are being built in any other Irish city.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Pablo Escobar


    spacetweek wrote: »
    Cork just had Bandon/Sarsfield and Dublin has only had Newlands X in the last 5 years. And no new roads are being built in any other Irish city.

    The point is that there is a serious bottleneck that needs to be sorted. What you just said typifies the attitude with regard to this project which has actually been ongoing for almost 30 years. There's currently 4 fly-overs on that section of road and it works perfectly for anybody travelling within the southside of the city or to the west. However, these flyover's are pretty much negated if you're travelling north or east as the bottleneck has been shoved through the tunnel and into the Dunkettle Interchange. It means that the investment you spoke of isn't getting full value, and everybody that uses the road knew it would happen.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    spacetweek wrote: »
    Cork just had Bandon/Sarsfield and Dublin has only had Newlands X in the last 5 years. And no new roads are being built in any other Irish city.
    Dublin had the M50 interchanges followed by Newlands Cross. After the M50 interchanges were fixed (especially Red Cow), the bottleneck moved out to Newlands, and now has moved out to the M7 J9-11 section.

    Cork first had the Kinsale Rd R/A followed by Bandon and Sarsfield, so traffic is now freeflow along the N40 mainline until it reaches the Dunkettle pinchpoint. Compared with Dublin, where all junctions are now freeflow, the Dunkettle interchange is the biggest of them all so needs the most attention, especially now with the N40 freeflowing into it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Pablo Escobar




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,241 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    The point is that there is a serious bottleneck that needs to be sorted. What you just said typifies the attitude with regard to this project which has actually been ongoing for almost 30 years. There's currently 4 fly-overs on that section of road and it works perfectly for anybody travelling within the southside of the city or to the west. However, these flyover's are pretty much negated if you're travelling north or east as the bottleneck has been shoved through the tunnel and into the Dunkettle Interchange. It means that the investment you spoke of isn't getting full value, and everybody that uses the road knew it would happen.

    This reminds me of when the Jack Lynch Tunnel was being planned first, there was serious concern that such an amount of money was being spent on infrastructure "outside Dublin". The Cork harbour area's generating close to 30% of Irish GDP (mostly through mutlinationals). Accordingly, plans to improve infrastructure in the Cork harbour area (airport, roads, port) actually benefit everybody.

    If it must come down to an "us vs them" argument, the SW development region (Cork/Kerry) is the only one in the country where unemployment has actually been rising according to the latest figures.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,753 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    This reminds me of when the Jack Lynch Tunnel was being planned first, there was serious concern that such an amount of money was being spent on infrastructure "outside Dublin". The Cork harbour area's generating close to 30% of Irish GDP (mostly through mutlinationals). Accordingly, plans to improve infrastructure in the Cork harbour area (airport, roads, port) actually benefit everybody.

    Plucking numbers from thin air certainly doesn't bolster your case. The South West as a whole only produced 17.5% of GDP in 2010

    http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/economy/2010/regincome_2010.pdf

    It certainly hasn't doubled in 4 years as a proportion of national. Never mind the harbour area only.
    If it must come down to an "us vs them" argument, the SW development region (Cork/Kerry) is the only one in the country where unemployment has actually been rising according to the latest figures.

    no, the mid-west, Limerick and Clare, is the only one seeing rising unemployment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,241 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Plucking numbers from thin air certainly doesn't bolster your case. The South West as a whole only produced 17.5% of GDP in 2010

    http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/economy/2010/regincome_2010.pdf

    It certainly hasn't doubled in 4 years as a proportion of national. Never mind the harbour area only.



    no, the mid-west, Limerick and Clare, is the only one seeing rising unemployment.


    I was working off 2005 figures, when the Cork/Kerry area generated ~25bn rather than current ~19bn. I also mistakenly meant GNP (90bn) rather than GDP, so you're absolutely right, my figure's wrong, I apologize.

    Nonetheless, the point I was making was to the tune of "the area generates 17.5% of GDP. It benefits the exchequer to improve industrial facilities in the area."
    It's not as though we're talking about pumping huge resources into some countryside town, it's a pretty industrial area.

    On the issue of unemployment, my figures are actually correct:
    http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/lr/liveregisterjanuary2015/#.VQrs-I6sV9A
    But I should have stated that the SW was the WORST performer, not the ONLY BAD performer.

    Live Register Jan 2015:
    SW +946
    DUB +525
    SE +307
    ME +257
    MW -304

    Neither are terribly important details, I was hoping to make the point that it ISN'T an "us versus them" argument, but if that's what it's reduced to, the area has some claims in that regard, that's all.


  • Registered Users Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Subpopulus


    On the issue of unemployment, my figures are actually correct:
    http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/lr/liveregisterjanuary2015/#.VQrs-I6sV9A
    But I should have stated that the SW was the WORST performer, not the ONLY BAD performer.

    Live Register Jan 2015:
    SW +946
    DUB +525
    SE +307
    ME +257
    MW -304

    Neither are terribly important details, I was hoping to make the point that it ISN'T an "us versus them" argument, but if that's what it's reduced to, the area has some claims in that regard, that's all.

    Your figures are extremely selective. Yes, unemployment has risen according to 'latest figures', but that's because you compared December 2014 to January 2015. Unemployment levels rose just after Christmas because seasonal jobs always dry up in January. They've all fallen since. Year on year unemployment figures fell by 10.2% nationally.

    Comparing December 2014 to January 2015 the selected regional figures (according to your link) are:

    Dublin -10.7%
    South-West -10.5%
    Midwest -12.4%

    So yes the midwest performed well last year, but it's hard to say why. IIRC in 2012 at least Cork City had one of the lowest average unemployment rates per member of population, so it might just be that the Midwest's unemployment rate is falling from a greater high.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Great, link it in with the Mallow bypass which keeps getting mired down in the courts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,241 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Subpopulus wrote: »
    Your figures are extremely selective. Yes, unemployment has risen according to 'latest figures', but that's because you compared December 2014 to January 2015. Unemployment levels rose just after Christmas because seasonal jobs always dry up in January. They've all fallen since. Year on year unemployment figures fell by 10.2% nationally.

    Comparing December 2014 to January 2015 the selected regional figures (according to your link) are:

    Dublin -10.7%
    South-West -10.5%
    Midwest -12.4%

    So yes the midwest performed well last year, but it's hard to say why. IIRC in 2012 at least Cork City had one of the lowest average unemployment rates per member of population, so it might just be that the Midwest's unemployment rate is falling from a greater high.

    Absolutely, we can probably discuss this in much nicer detail in an economics thread.

    Any relevance to the point I was making though? Hint: do you disagree that the area is an important economic hub for the country, or that the local economy there isn't what it could be? Or are you just bored?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Any relevance to the point I was making though? Hint: do you disagree that the area is an important economic hub for the country, or that the local economy there isn't what it could be? Or are you just bored?

    I think it's clear that there's a big backlog in Cork. Roughly in order of priority:

    Dunkettle Interchange
    N28 to Ringaskiddy
    Regional rail out to Mallow and rest of the proposed new stations like Dunkettle P&R
    N25 Midleton Upgrade
    M20 (south at least)
    Cork Northern Ring
    N25 Midleton-Youghal
    N22 Ballincollig-Macroom


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    I reckon you're in the right order except that I'd put N22 Macroom to Ballyvourney under Dunkettle and ahead of the N28.


  • Registered Users Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Subpopulus


    Hint: do you disagree that the area is an important economic hub for the country, or that the local economy there isn't what it could be? Or are you just bored?

    Do I disagree with either of those two things - no. But quoting inaccurate employment figures in an offhand manner isn't the way to argue your case.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    There's no real order to these schemes, M20, N22 B - M, N28 and Dunkettle are all under the "urgent and should have been done years ago" section. The fact that none are nearing the construction stage is even more disgraceful. It'll take years for them to be done cos of the controversial "giving too much money to Cork for infrastructure" mentality yet Dublin has had 4 full 100km+ motorways built during the boom, a complete ring road with all of the interchanges fixed on it, widening D2AP on the N7/N4 to D3AP to alleviate congestion.

    At the same time Cork still has a roundabout for it's busiest junction, both roads to the nearest cities are single carraigeway for the majority of the route, and the road to the highly important port is a dirt track completely unsuited for port traffic.

    Ridiculous that living in Castletroy in Limerick that Cork and Dublin are the same travel time away.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,561 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    spacetweek wrote: »
    Cork just had Bandon/Sarsfield and Dublin has only had Newlands X in the last 5 years. And no new roads are being built in any other Irish city.

    You are being quite selective with 5 years. Go back another 5 and comparing investment shows something alarming.

    Dublin:
    Dublin Port Tunnel
    M50 upgrade
    M3
    Completion of various inter-urbans
    LUAS if you go back to 2004

    Cork:
    M8 completion
    Kinsale Road Roundabout Flyover
    Bandon and Sarsfields Roundabout Flyovers

    Limerick:
    M7 completion
    Limerick bypass (including Tunnel)
    Start of M20
    M18 (part built and under construction)
    Limerick - Foynes
    Maybe throw in wiping out of Shannon Airport debts too ?

    Galway:
    M6 completion
    M18 (part built and under construction)
    Galway bypass progressing (Eastern part effectively complete)

    Waterford:
    M9 completion
    N25 Waterford bypass
    New Ross and Enniscorthy bypasses
    Southern Ring Road


    I don't think its OTT to say that Cork has had the last investment in the last 10 years. Absolutely rock bottom when investment is compared to GDP generation of each area.

    Outside of the inter urbans, Cork got effectively a few flyovers. Flyovers of roundabouts which were constructed pre NRA and may have been partly funded by Cork Co Co.

    It is quite shocking the under investment Cork is getting at the moment.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,561 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    spacetweek wrote: »
    I think it's clear that there's a big backlog in Cork. Roughly in order of priority:

    Dunkettle Interchange
    N28 to Ringaskiddy
    Regional rail out to Mallow and rest of the proposed new stations like Dunkettle P&R
    N25 Midleton Upgrade
    M20 (south at least)
    Cork Northern Ring
    N25 Midleton-Youghal
    N22 Ballincollig-Macroom

    IMO, this would be my order:

    Dunkettle Interchange
    N28 to Ringaskiddy
    M20 (Mallow to Charleville)
    N22 (Macroom and Ballyvourney bypass)
    M20 (Cork to Mallow) & M40 (Cork Northern Ring Road - Eastern Section)
    M20 (Charleville to Patrickswell)
    N22 (Ballincollig to Macroom)
    N25 Midleton - Youghal)
    M40 (Cork Northern Ring Road - Western Section)
    N27 (Dualling + possible grade separation to Cork airport entrance)
    N27 to N28 link road
    R849 (2nd Airport entrance scheme)
    N25 (Midleton grade separation + local feeder road construction)
    R624 (2+2 scheme)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Leonard Hofstadter


    I don't think its OTT to say that Cork has had the last investment in the last 10 years. Absolutely rock bottom when investment is compared to GDP generation of each area.

    Outside of the inter urbans, Cork got effectively a few flyovers. Flyovers of roundabouts which were constructed pre NRA and may have been partly funded by Cork Co Co.

    It is quite shocking the under investment Cork is getting at the moment.

    I couldn't agree more, Cork has been VERY badly let down when it comes to road investment. The only decent road is the one to Dublin.

    I'd definitely say the Dunkettle Interchange should come first, but then something simply has got to be done about the N20 - it's an absolute disgrace that there is such a bad road between the country's second and third biggest cities. The M28 would be next. Even after all of that, there's still no shortage of roads that need to be built around Cork, as you've alluded to above.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,561 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    I'd have the M28 ahead of the M20 for a few reasons.

    1. Much higher volumes of traffic.
    2. Probably more important to the economic development of the city.
    3. Its a lot cheaper (easier political decision)
    4. The container port development cannot go ahead in Ringaskiddy until this and the Dunkettle scheme are at least under construction.

    No doubt though, at least part of the M20 needs to go ahead pronto. I'd suggest the part starting south of Mallow and joining the old N20 somewhere north of Charleville. Do the other 2 bits later when more cash is available.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭TINA1984


    Let's recall that the SRR flyovers built in the past 10 years were part of the original SRR plans in the 1990s but were downgraded due to cost concerns.

    Likewise, the Bandon & Sarsfield flyovers were due to begin construction immediately after the Kinsale flyover were completed, but were then long fingered once Minister Cullen decided to 'prioritise' the interurban programme, which conveniently pushed the M9 projects to the top of the queue.

    I believe the line spun was because Cork received a lot of EU funding in the late 80s/90s for the likes of the N71, N20, N8 & SRR, other areas were prioritised for funding once the Celtic Tiger roared.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    Galway:
    M6 completion
    M18 (part built and under construction)
    Galway bypass progressing (Eastern part effectively complete)

    Nope, currently at route selection.

    The switch from RAB to lights on the N6 (completed in 1996) can hardly be described as building a bypass.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    antoobrien wrote: »
    Nope, currently at route selection.

    The switch from RAB to lights on the N6 (completed in 1996) can hardly be described as building a bypass.
    He's talking about M17/M18.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    spacetweek wrote: »
    He's talking about M17/M18.

    Even if this is true (and it's grossly inaccurate to describe that road as such), construction has barely started, delivery is in about 3 years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭moyners


    antoobrien wrote: »
    Even if this is true (and it's grossly inaccurate to describe that road as such), construction has barely started, delivery is in about 3 years.

    Bit unfair anto - it's hardly grossly inaccurate. You will be able to bypass Galway heading south to north (the outskirts granted but they can eat up alot of journey time at present) on the M17/18. I think also the point is that construction is underway and it is happening, rather than being on the long long finger like projects such as the M20/Dunkettle etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    moyners wrote: »
    Bit unfair anto - it's hardly grossly inaccurate. You will be able to bypass Galway heading south to north (the outskirts granted but they can eat up alot of journey time at present) on the M17/18. I think also the point is that construction is underway and it is happening, rather than being on the long long finger like projects such as the M20/Dunkettle etc.

    This is getting way o.t. but AM has posted in the GCOB thread, so knows (or should know) the exact status of the Galway bypass being at route selection, therefore it's not at all being unkind to suggest that AM is being at best inaccurate to back up the point about investment in Cork.

    But to suggest that the N17/18 road layout comes anywhere near Galway City is at best naive and at worst disingenuous. There are miles of farmland between the city boundary & both Claregalway & Oranmore - the two towns nearest Galway that that will (actually) benefit from being bypassed by the M17/18. They may be accurately described as dormitory towns for Galway, but outskirts of the city is stretching it a long way.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,561 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    Calm down folks. I thought the feeder road built to distribute traffic at the end of the M6 would form part of the Galway bypass. That is all.


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