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ECHR Act 2003

  • 23-04-2011 12:23pm
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    right to a fair trial under the constitution is protected anyway...am being consistently told that the Act changed nothing with regards to this concept? i dont believe them! opinions ? personally i think it must have at least given further effect to the minorities in this counrty?


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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    The main difference seems to be issues of delay and civil fairness. The ECHR hates delay in cases while in Ireland delay is almost par for the course. The Constitution does not protect civil fairness in the course of a trial unless it amounts to a denial of access to the courts.

    McFarlane is the case on criminal delay where they didn't prosecute fast enough.

    I can't recall the name of the civil case, Doran v Ireland or something (I think there was another one too in about 2004). Introduced the concept that it was not just the civil parties that have an obligation to progress cases, but judges have a duty to do so too.

    Arguably Article 6 is unhelpful in an Irish context because most other signatory states do not have a right to trial by jury, so Article 38 is broader. This means that the Special Criminal Court would be perfectly fine by ECHR standards.

    Ireland also has much stronger exclusionary rules than other signatory states and arguably Article 6 does not permit decisions on the correctness of the legislation itself e.g. CC v. Ireland, Dokie v. Ireland etc. So the Irish constitution provides a much better system of protection in criminal matters, but Article 6 provides better civil protections and greater rights to expediency.

    I suppose also the main difference is harder to explain, but relates to the fact that there are two sets of courts, both of whom have developed different jurisprudence on what is fair and what is not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭234


    The protection of minorities in relation to the right to a fair trial?


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    lallychops wrote:
    personally i think it must have at least given further effect to the minorities in this counrty?
    234 wrote: »
    The protection of minorities in relation to the right to a fair trial?

    The minority of people who insist that a fair criminal trial is a good thing I suppose, as opposed to the majority who want the presumption of innocence reversed and hanging to be reinstated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭evercloserunion


    OP, are you looking for instances where it has actually changed the way we do things in Ireland or simply instances where Irish jurisprudence and ECHR jurisprudence differ? You'll probably find a good bit of the latter, less of the former.

    An example would Airey v Ireland, IIRC it's like our equivalent of Steel and Morris? Denial of civil legal aid to parties to libel cases was considered contrary to Art 6 of the ECHR but we didn't have it in Irish law and (to the best of my knowledge) still don't.


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