Former Waterford Cllr denies corruption charges

Max Powers · 08-05-2012 2:34pm #1

From RTE.ie

Fred Forsey Jnr, from Coolagh Road, Abbeyside, Dungarvan was a Fine Gael councillor on Dungarvan Town Council.
Mr Forsey is charged with receiving three payments, one of €60,000 and two of €10,000 each, from a property developer in 2006.
Waterford Circuit Court heard this morning the trial is expected to last at least three weeks and possibly up to six weeks.
A jury has been sworn in and the trial is due to recommence this afternoon in Waterford.

On a different note:
Did anything happend with our own ex-mayor (Mary O Halloran) who had a nice 'Council work' trip to USA on us? The City manager was trying to get money returned. Oh, the above is not 100% accurate as Mary O Halloran took her husband along for the trip too.

ziedth · 08-05-2012 4:47pm

Mod note:

Please No discussion of the court case in accordance with site rules. When a verdict cones in we'll have a thread I'm sure. Cheers

Woodgate · 08-05-2012 7:21pm

Should be in Waterford County section anyway, not City.

Max Powers · 18-05-2012 5:09pm

Guilty! great news. I hope he gets the full 10 years.

cassette50 · 18-05-2012 5:30pm

Max Powers wrote: »

Guilty! great news. I hope he gets the full 10 years.

Great news...now lets round up and prosecute the rest of them.

mike65 · 18-05-2012 5:38pm

Whats the story with the developer, having shown the councillor accepted a bribe shouldn't he be arrested now?

Funfair · 18-05-2012 5:57pm

mike65 wrote: »

Whats the story with the developer, having shown the councillor accepted a bribe shouldn't he be arrested now?

Well if Foresy is guilty of accepting bribes as sure as night follows day the developer has to be charged with bribing an offical.

I believe that's why he couldn't be named in court as he'll be on the stand next.

mike65 · 18-05-2012 6:00pm

I was just looking through some coverage and yes, I did spot the developer was just "the developer" never identified. He's probably in Spain by now!

ziedth · 18-05-2012 6:48pm

The story wouldn't happen in eastenders would it? The affair and his wife reporting him. If I'm honest I didn't believe a word of his version of it.

Black Suir · 18-05-2012 7:33pm

mike65 wrote: »

Whats the story with the developer, having shown the councillor accepted a bribe shouldn't he be arrested now?

He was questioned some time back. So say some locals in the know.

Funfair · 18-05-2012 8:00pm

ziedth wrote: »

The story wouldn't happen in eastenders would it? The affair and his wife reporting him. If I'm honest I didn't believe a word of his version of it.

It's a typical story of life on Westenders with the wife and the 18 years younger girlfriend going bald headed for each other, him being threatened to be stabbed by the mother in law, calling his ex-wife a liar on the stand, the wife driving his car into a wall and putting all his belongings into a skip. That's the kinda stuff that goes on in the west of the County

Tangled · 18-05-2012 9:39pm

mike65 wrote: »

Whats the story with the developer, having shown the councillor accepted a bribe shouldn't he be arrested now?

I believe they were both arrested at same time, his trial is still pending so he couldn't be named at any stage.

And, shouldn't this be in County section?

waterford · 18-05-2012 9:43pm

All is very quite so in the town (CITY) happy days

ziedth · 18-05-2012 10:24pm

Tangled wrote: »

I believe they were both arrested at same time, his trial is still pending so he couldn't be named at any stage.

And, shouldn't this be in County section?

Ah it's nation wide news about 40min from the city, I think exceptions can be made for such things if people want to discuss it.

Media999 · 19-05-2012 12:03am

Gonna have a hard time convincing anybody it was a loan. Who borrows 60,000 from a developer and 10,000 from a couple of other people rather than a bank.

Please god he gets banged up with the Junkies for a few years and the other 3 in the cell next door.

All rat each other out for shorther sentences. Might start a chain reaction of other Bent scumbags being locked up.

ziedth · 19-05-2012 12:19am

It didn't add up for me at all TBH, I only fully read up on it the other day and I really couldn't believe the simplicity of his defence. Seemingly he can get up to ten years, would I be right in saying he'd be the first person to be sent down for "getting into bed with" a developer?

Media999 · 19-05-2012 12:25am

This is the arrogance of these people to walk into a court and think people will believe his bull****. Being realistic hell probably get a couple of years and get out in one for good behaviour when people forget about him.

Wouldnt surprise me if hes the first anyway.

cartell_best · 19-05-2012 1:31am

Media999 wrote: »

This is the arrogance of these people to walk into a court and think people will believe his bull****. Being realistic hell probably get a couple of years and get out in one for good behaviour when people forget about him.

Wouldnt surprise me if hes the first anyway.

People will forget about him but now there's going to be a doubt.... a Doubt thats been hiding away....jesus, would ya do it to yourself? a pre-existence of madness but a condemned lifetime of criminality? I hope this isn't the tip of the icebegr?

scholar007 · 21-05-2012 2:18pm

I feel kinda sorry for the guy to be honest.

OK - He's been found guility of taking a bung but to be honest, he brought the wife and kids to Rome and did a bit of work on the family home.

He seems to be a victim of circumstances, self-employed (never easy) earnings dropped and debts mounted and then he succumbed to temptation... in more ways than one.

Would it have ever come out if he didn't leave the wife I wonder and will his "young lover" as the tabloids referred to her be there for him when he gets out?

CardBordWindow · 21-05-2012 2:39pm

I wonder if this verdict is making many 'officials' sweat? I'm sure there was more than just one who did it. He's the only one to get caught so far though.

Funfair · 21-05-2012 3:28pm

scholar007 wrote: »

I feel kinda sorry for the guy to be honest.

OK - He's been found guility of taking a bung but to be honest, he brought the wife and kids to Rome and did a bit of work on the family home.

He seems to be a victim of circumstances, self-employed (never easy) earnings dropped and debts mounted and then he succumbed to temptation... in more ways than one.

Would it have ever come out if he didn't leave the wife I wonder and will his "young lover" as the tabloids referred to her be there for him when he gets out?

Totaly agree with you..

The more I read about him the more you realize the guy is a fool of a character who's biggest claim to fame was getting on sky news when the glass factory closed down in Dungarvan.

He told the girlfriend he's after hitting the big time

The reality of the whole thing is the only one he fooled was the 200 million developer out of €80,000 as he hadn't the power to do any rezoning of the land involved.

He claimed in his defense he wanted to create jobs by rezoning the land
The irony of it was he contributed to jobs, if unintentionally, by spending the money in the local economy as soon as he was getting it.
He hadn't even the money to defend himself as he was on free legal aid and unfortunately for him he'll be used as a scapegoat for the real corrupt politicians to carry on their dirty deals

hardybuck · 21-05-2012 3:34pm

Think of the amount of sites around the country that strike you as unsuitable.

I was at a funeral recently outside Waterford, but the graveyard was next to an industrial estate. There was this constant banging noise which was starting to drown out the priest, it started to become embarassing.

That graveyard was there an awful lot longer than the industrial estate - whoever decided it was a suitable location for industrial activity was either corrupt or totally incompetant.

scholar007 · 21-05-2012 3:58pm

Ye heard it here first - There is definitely a good film in this.

Freddie boy will make big bucks when he sells the film rights.

It has everything - greed, corruption, incompetence, sex, passion, jealousy, betrayal, woman standing by her man.

It can't fail to be a hit.

Im really looking forward to the scene where the wife and girlfriend go at it - Miaow!

ziedth · 21-05-2012 6:17pm

What would you call it? And more importantly what would the porn version of this film be called?

Jarjohn · 21-05-2012 11:23pm

Freddie got fingered
freddies nightmare
Right said fred

scholar007 · 22-05-2012 9:14am

ziedth wrote: »

What would you call it? And more importantly what would the porn version of this film be called?

Confessions of a Driving Instructor 2

Adventures of a Driving Instructor 2

CardBordWindow · 22-05-2012 9:39am

ziedth wrote: »

What would you call it? And more importantly what would the porn version of this film be called?

Money man gets F*cked

Jason Todd · 22-05-2012 9:42am

Father of the Bribe

STIG83 · 22-05-2012 12:48pm

The girl he shacked up comes from my area, think my sister was in school with her.

tipptom · 22-05-2012 1:43pm

I feel a little sorry for him to as he seemed in a desperate situation and did not have a penny left so he was open to what happened where as a lot of the others seemed to think it was an extra on top of their big salarys and pensions.If he gets more than 3 years it will be a disgrace considering the facts and the sentances handed down to murderers.He was probably the soft target as the develepor will use expensive lawyers to evade the same fate.

scholar007 · 22-05-2012 2:54pm

You know how Bobbit came to be in the English language, I wonder will the phrase Forseyed become mainstream as in "he left her for a young wan and the wife did a Forsey on him"????

Johnny Johnson · 22-05-2012 3:35pm

tipptom wrote: »

I feel a little sorry for him to as he seemed in a desperate situation and did not have a penny left so he was open to what happened where as a lot of the others seemed to think it was an extra on top of their big salarys and pensions.If he gets more than 3 years it will be a disgrace considering the facts and the sentances handed down to murderers.He was probably the soft target as the develepor will use expensive lawyers to evade the same fate.

I am sorry but I cannot agree with this. To use your logic nobody would be suitably punished. He took a chance and was caught. Tough titty so some would say.

deisemum · 22-05-2012 4:10pm

scholar007 wrote: »

You know how Bobbit came to be in the English language, I wonder will the phrase Forseyed become mainstream as in "he left her for a young wan and the wife did a Forsey on him"????

Do you mean Bobbit and lob it?

ziedth · 22-05-2012 5:01pm

Freddie got fingered is an amazing choice

ComfyKnickers · 22-05-2012 9:36pm

Wow if he gets the full ten years for what, 80k, half the bankers that fecked this country up to the tune of millions should never see daylight again! And what about all the politicians and property developers who we heard about during the Tribunals, very few of them saw a prison cell. What he did was wrong but this country is so imbalanced when it comes to handing out sentences, it's disgraceful. Be interesting to see what he gets!

Media999 · 22-05-2012 10:22pm

When is this bent scumbag being sentenced?

scholar007 · 23-05-2012 9:43am

Media999 wrote: »

When is this bent scumbag being sentenced?

I say! thats not exactly cricket old bean. I feel Mr. Forsey shouldn't get anything more than a suspended sentence purely for the amount of entertainment he has provided in the last few weeks. I wish I knew an altruistic developer.

THEIRISHMOB · 23-05-2012 9:51am

Media999 wrote: »

When is this bent scumbag being sentenced?

Guys he did not steal a penny from anyone.
Bankers have blown billions on us, Bertie ahearn was found guilty of taking 200k and not a word. I cannot see how he can be sentenced if the rest of them are and have gotten away with it.
Waterford is full of criminals walking the streets stabbing,raping,setting fire to houses with families in them. This guy is not a criminal. He just made a foolish mistake and was greedy

And as for the person that exposed this and following the trial was giving interviews on national papers and parading like a model....Don't you just love rats.

Jarjohn · 23-05-2012 10:15am

THEIRISHMOB wrote: »

Guys he did not steal a penny from anyone.
Bankers have blown billions on us, Bertie ahearn was found guilty of taking 200k and not a word. I cannot see how he can be sentenced if the rest of them are and have gotten away with it.
Waterford is full of criminals walking the streets stabbing,raping,setting fire to houses with families in them. This guy is not a criminal. He just made a foolish mistake and was greedy

And as for the person that exposed this and following the trial was giving interviews on national papers and parading like a model....Don't you just love rats.

Ok Fred.:pac:

Max Powers · 23-05-2012 10:18am

I see Cllr. Carey thinks forsey was hard done by, didnt do anything wrong and hopes he doesnt get jail.

Says it all really about the quality of the local reps out there.

Johnny Johnson · 23-05-2012 10:52am

THEIRISHMOB wrote: »

And as for the person that exposed this and following the trial was giving interviews on national papers and parading like a model....Don't you just love rats.

Oh yes. Damn that person who exposed this bribe taking official. For someone who likes to go on about banking officials and so on you are being a wee bit of a hypocrite.

I now choose to ignore rants like yours about banking and Bertie Ahern in threads like this. They have absolutely nothing to do with corrupt Mr Forsey.

Sully · 23-05-2012 11:19am

THEIRISHMOB wrote: »

Guys he did not steal a penny from anyone.
Bankers have blown billions on us, Bertie ahearn was found guilty of taking 200k and not a word. I cannot see how he can be sentenced if the rest of them are and have gotten away with it.
Waterford is full of criminals walking the streets stabbing,raping,setting fire to houses with families in them. This guy is not a criminal. He just made a foolish mistake and was greedy

And as for the person that exposed this and following the trial was giving interviews on national papers and parading like a model....Don't you just love rats.

I saw the picture and wondered how they got it, but in the text she refused to give an interview but gave a small comment anyway. She was going to make headlines for reporting him after he was found cheating on her.

hardybuck · 23-05-2012 11:33am

ComfyKnickers wrote: »

Wow if he gets the full ten years for what, 80k, half the bankers that fecked this country up to the tune of millions should never see daylight again! And what about all the politicians and property developers who we heard about during the Tribunals, very few of them saw a prison cell. What he did was wrong but this country is so imbalanced when it comes to handing out sentences, it's disgraceful. Be interesting to see what he gets!

Sentences which are available to the judge are there for a reason - they are seen as a fair punishment for the crime committed.

Everyone who was found by the recent tribunals to have committed fraud and accepted corrupt payments should also be tried in similar fashion - but at this stage they probably won't.

The best outsome is that there will be a line drawn in the sand from this point onwards, abuse your position of power and face the consequences.

ziedth · 23-05-2012 12:13pm

I agree with hardbuck. Yes it's tough on the chap and I feel for him being in the financial strife that he was in. In fact it's fair to say if I was in the same situation I very well may have done the same.

However, other people committing the same crime with No punishment is not a defence. He broke the law and he obviously lied about it being a loan.

Hopefully getting tough across the board now will stop things like this happening in the future.

THEIRISHMOB · 23-05-2012 1:14pm

Johnny Johnson wrote: »

Oh yes. Damn that person who exposed this bribe taking official. For someone who likes to go on about banking officials and so on you are being a wee bit of a hypocrite.

I now choose to ignore rants like yours about banking and Bertie Ahern in threads like this. They have absolutely nothing to do with corrupt Mr Forsey.

The person was happy for him to take it at the time...!! But then done the dirt. Not correct?

I have NO time for anyone that rats on people. He took a bribe and he DID NOT rob anyone....jesus. This country is so F***** up. I'd take it.. would you not?

tipptom · 23-05-2012 4:01pm

Johnny Johnson wrote: »

I am sorry but I cannot agree with this. To use your logic nobody would be suitably punished. He took a chance and was caught. Tough titty so some would say.

He did take a desperate chance and was caught and i am saying he should get a suitable punishment but people screaming for the full 10 years is hysterical,i personally think 3 years is more than enough considering the sentances handed out to murderers and rapists.I hope his wife feels good when she watches the inevitable tv shots of him being led in handcuffs in to the prison van while explaining to her childern what she has achieved and will she pay back the ill gotten money that she knew she was receiving.

hardybuck · 23-05-2012 4:06pm

Would agree that a three year jail term, and another three or so suspended would be appropriate.

Does anyone know what became of the rezoned land?

Speak Now · 23-05-2012 4:56pm

hardybuck wrote: »

Does anyone know what became of the rezoned land?

Don't think it was ever rezoned!

Paddysboys · 23-05-2012 6:36pm

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He did take a desperate chance and was caught and i am saying he should get a suitable punishment but people screaming for the full 10 years is hysterical,i personally think 3 years is more than enough considering the sentances handed out to murderers and rapists.I hope his wife feels good when she watches the inevitable tv shots of him being led in handcuffs in to the prison van while explaining to her childern what she has achieved and will she pay back the ill gotten money that she knew she was receiving.[/Quote]

I agree and bet most us in the same situation would do what ever it would take to provide for our family well I know I would.
And for the media coverage what a loud of crap. It was like a bitch off between ex wife and new lover I even saw in one paper the his 26 year old lover was warring a coat from the something range in dunnes, do people really care what fashion is going on in our courts?
Ya give him 3 yrs for leaving the wife
And 3 yrs for having a 26 yr old lover
And feck it 4 for taking the money
And the gf should be bared from dunnes

Sully · 23-05-2012 6:44pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

Don't think it was ever rezoned!

It was, but the government stepped in and repelled it.

scholar007 · 24-05-2012 9:06am

And for the media coverage what a loud of crap. It was like a bitch off between ex wife and new lover I even saw in one paper the his 26 year old lover was warring a coat from the something range in dunnes, do people really care what fashion is going on in our courts?
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In fairness the girlfriend upped her game when she saw how much of an effort the ex wife was making and definitely started to look hotter as the trial wore on - I bet the wife was a looker in her day too. I don't know how many times I read that his "young lover" was a younger version of his wife. Normally when you trade in something to move to a newer version, you would have to put a few bob with it but this guy managed to trade to a younger model and got a few bob into his hand as well.

Former Waterford Cllr denies corruption charges

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