School not compled to take in disruptive student

Euro_Kraut · 10-07-2009 3:15pm #1

Interesting story: from http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0710/westmeath.html

School wins disruptive student appeal

A Westmeath school has won its appeal against a decision by the Department of Education which compelled it to enrol a disruptive student.

Mullingar Community College had asked the High Court to overturn the decision which it said allowed some schools to 'dump' difficult pupils on others.

The boy at the centre of this case was originally a pupil at St Mary's Christian Brothers School in Mullingar.

However, because of his behaviour there, the court heard that in May 2007 he had been told he would not be welcome back in September.

His parents sought then to enrol him in the local VEC school, Mullingar Community College, and when that school refused his application the parents appealed to the Department of Education.

The Department of Education said that the community college should enrol the boy but today, in a decision that could have far reaching consequences, the High Court said the department was wrong.

Westmeath VEC says it is 'absolutely delighted' with the decision.

It says this should help stop the practice of some schools cherry picking and 'dumping' difficult pupils on others

I'm not sure what happens the student now. Is his orignal school compelded to take him back? If no school wants to take him, then what?

Dinter · 10-07-2009 3:16pm

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

If no school wants to take him, then what?

Read the Ryan report for ideas.

Jumpy · 10-07-2009 3:17pm

Then the delightful little fecker can lay bricks for a living.
Schooling is only a right to a point.

Gone Drinking · 10-07-2009 3:17pm

All that dump and dumping talk makes me wanna take a dump.

Mossy Monk · 10-07-2009 3:20pm

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

I'm not sure what happens the student now. Is his orignal school compelded to take him back? If no school wants to take him, then what?

Forget about him. Disruptive little ****.

engrish? · 10-07-2009 3:22pm

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Forget about him. Disruptive little ****.

Agreed, why should the education of other children suffer because of one child's bad behaviour.

Venom · 10-07-2009 3:25pm

About time the courts got a judgment right. Why should the school along with other students have to put up with a muppet like that.

cosmic · 10-07-2009 3:27pm

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

If no school wants to take him, then what?

I'm sure he's already chasing the dragon by now...

Cookie_Monster · 10-07-2009 3:29pm

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Forget about him. Disruptive little ****.

You can't forget about him though. Then he just become another dole sponge later in life.

Wouldn't be such an issue if CP was still around. Whole other issue though

Euro_Kraut · 10-07-2009 3:33pm

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Forget about him. Disruptive little ****.

While it would be great if life were that simple, sadly it is not.

I'm pretty sure the state has an obligation to provide an education in this instance. This kid could be as young as 13 - I guess we don't know. From the sounds of it has been making the lives of his teachers and fellow students very difficult. In that sense I have little doubt that the students in the school are better off not having him as a class mate and a greater good has been served.

However, without any education surely this guy is set for a life of crime thus causing us even greater problems in the future.

So whats the solution? Some sort of remand school for problem children? Not sure that is really en vouge at the moment as one poster has already alluded to.

Overheal · 10-07-2009 3:36pm

Well that sucks. I've seen some right assholes get kicked out of our school in the past, and they ****ing deserved it. Especially the lad who did nothing but steal cellphones. How we kept him for that long, I will never know.

Fortunately, the law doesnt mandate education beyond JC. My last 3 years of secondary were absolutely pleasant by comparison.

FlutterinBantam · 10-07-2009 3:41pm

Gone Drinking wrote: »

All that dump and dumping talk makes me wanna take a dump.

:eek::eek:

Jaysus!!

Steady horse.

(Horse out a good one!!):D

Carsinian Thau · 10-07-2009 3:42pm

This is absolutely brilliant.

Finally a decision that protects the majority from the scummy minority.

lostexpectation · 10-07-2009 4:06pm

nah it ain't like that it only says the first school should have kept him

IvyTheTerrible · 10-07-2009 4:09pm

lostexpectation wrote: »

nah it ain't like that it only says the first school should have kept him

So basically what it really means is that you can't expel students? Sheesh.

lostexpectation · 10-07-2009 4:10pm

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

So basically what it really means is that you can't expel students? Sheesh.

no you can't dump him on another school

Cookie_Monster · 10-07-2009 4:12pm

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

So basically what it really means is that you can't expel students? Sheesh.

pretty much.

stovelid · 10-07-2009 4:36pm

Imagine how rough the kid must be if a school in Mullingar won't take him?

Only thing for it: send him to Navan.

Guy:Incognito · 10-07-2009 4:39pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

You can't forget about him though. Then he just become another dole sponge later in life

Forcing him to sit in a building from 9-4 for 5 days a week, annoying kids that want to learn and dragging them down too isnt going to change that

Just fast track the little **** to the prison system.

Sooner we build a big fileing cabinet to hold as many prioners as we can the better, Drawers with a food hole and a poo chute is all a prison should be.

whadabouchasir · 10-07-2009 4:57pm

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

So basically what it really means is that you can't expel students? Sheesh.

Well maybe if they killed someone,but all you can really do is ask them to leave and then hopefully they will feck off and go to youthreach.

Cookie_Monster · 10-07-2009 5:00pm

Stekelly wrote: »

Forcing him to sit in a building from 9-4 for 5 days a week, annoying kids that want to learn and dragging them down too isnt going to change that

Just fast track the little **** to the prison system.

Sooner we build a big fileing cabinet to hold as many prioners as we can the better, Drawers with a food hole and a poo chute is all a prison should be.

Still costs money though...
I'm sure there's some menial job he can be put to work on...
Or juvenile conscription may be the answer:pac:

whadabouchasir · 10-07-2009 5:06pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Or juvenile conscription may be the answer:pac:

But how many more people do we need to stand outside banks?

spurious · 10-07-2009 5:12pm

This is an important decision. It means the vocational schools and community colleges will no longer be compelled to take disruptive students that the voluntary sector want to get rid of.
About bloody time.

the_syco · 10-07-2009 5:15pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

You can't forget about him though. Then he just become another dole sponge later in life.

Better to get one dole sponger, than enable him to disrupt other peoples schooling, and their career prospects.

rainbowtrout · 10-07-2009 5:16pm

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

While it would be great if life were that simple, sadly it is not.

I'm pretty sure the state has an obligation to provide an education in this instance. This kid could be as young as 13 - I guess we don't know. From the sounds of it has been making the lives of his teachers and fellow students very difficult. In that sense I have little doubt that the students in the school are better off not having him as a class mate and a greater good has been served.

However, without any education surely this guy is set for a life of crime thus causing us even greater problems in the future.

So whats the solution? Some sort of remand school for problem children? Not sure that is really en vouge at the moment as one poster has already alluded to.

The state under the constitution is only obliged to provide education up to the age of 12, believe it or not. Staying in school to the age of 16 is a whole other ball game.

I'm a teacher and I'm sick of seeing students come to school, do fcuk all except disrupt classes from one end of the day to the next, they don't want to be there but they're too lazy to work, and their parents are getting children's allowance for them while they're in full time education (as one student once pointed out to me). They can waste whole classes - you can't kick them out because if anything happens to them while they're unsupervised, you are responsible, prevent everyone from learning, and the minute there is a mention of suspension or expulsion mentioned, they're screaming about their right to an education. Which they couldn't care less about. Meanwhile everyone else suffers.

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

So basically what it really means is that you can't expel students? Sheesh.

You can, but you have to have watertight school policies and you can guarantee that the student will nearly always appeal it. And of course demand their right to an education. :mad:

nibtrix · 10-07-2009 6:32pm

They just mentioned this on the news and said he never got to sit his leaving cert, sounds like he was probably over 16 anyway...

masonman · 10-07-2009 6:38pm

That'll learn him...

School not compled to take in disruptive student

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