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25-02-2012, 23:50   #46
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but the unions are mostly effective in the public service. Its why most public servants are union members, and most private sector workers are not. A lot of people who work in the private sector cannot go on strike - people would just shop elsewhere or whatever if they did.
O'Connor and the other union bosses pay themselves 3 and 4 times the average private sector wage. They were responsible for doubling the public sector pay + pensions bill from 9 billion to 18 billion in the space of just 10 years.

But Union Leaders are not paid from the public purse, so in that sense unions are "private sector" organisations.

The taxpayer does not pay Jack O'Connor's salary any more than it pays the salary of any overpaid CEO in the private sector.
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But Union Leaders are not paid from the public purse.
A lot of their money comes from the overpaid public sector who do get their money from the public purse.
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A lot of their money comes from the overpaid public sector who do get their money from the public purse.
Unions receive contributions from their members, not the members employers.
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Unions receive contributions from their members, not the members employers.
And as one of the German public servants here said to his Irish counterpart (who was paid half as much) :And vere do you think ze public service workers get zeir wages?

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Unions receive contributions from their members, not the members employers.
Exactly and its the employees choice to pay. Gigino just likes to drone on about the public sector and the big bad unions.
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Poor Jack earning c € 200k p.a. would know alot about austerity. Dare say he might even know a bit about union slush funds and misappropriated HSE monies.

Get off the stage Jack.
+1, and well said. Lets drone on about Jack O'Connor instead, woodoo's hero.

Maybe you ARE Jack O'C. I cannot see many other people supporting him. Him + Ahern were cosy "social partners" of the bubble and feathered their nests accordingly.

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+1, and well said. Lets drone on about Jack O'Connor instead, woodoo's hero.
I have a photo of Comrade Jack on the Mantelpiece.

He earns 124,000 not 200,000
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I have a photo of Comrade Jack on the Mantelpiece.

He earns 124,000 not 200,000
He gets 125,000 |(actually €124,895) in pay from SIPTU but his pension package and other directorships bring his total renumeration package close to 200k.

He is a great comrade for you to idolise.
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27-02-2012, 08:30   #54
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I have a photo of Comrade Jack on the Mantelpiece.

He earns 124,000 not 200,000
And this matters how? He should only be earning slightly more than the average wage of those he represents. Oh, I forgot, many of those work in the PS.......
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And this matters how? He should only be earning slightly more than the average wage of those he represents. Oh, I forgot, many of those work in the PS.......
Most SIPTU members work in the private sector
There are a few exceptions like SIPTU represent the fire service who outside Dublin are employed by the councils afaik

I don't know if you mean public or private by PS but either way, SIPTU is the largest private sector union in Ireland

There are other unions that deal exclusively with the public sector
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Before poor Jack can expect to regain any public credibility he needs to get off the fence and take a much more visible role into ongoing investigations to get to the bottom of the murky but lavish financial expenditures of HSE monies by various Union officials (who are STILL being paid by the Union). Financial controls at HQ appear to have the robustness of a Holiday Savings club.

Hiding behind 'I didn't know' never works.
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Before poor Jack can expect to regain any public credibility he needs to get off the fence and take a much more visible role into ongoing investigations to get to the bottom of the murky but lavish financial expenditures of HSE monies by various Union officials (who are STILL being paid by the Union). Financial controls at HQ appear to have the robustness of a Holiday Savings club.

Hiding behind 'I didn't know' never works.
Yes. It's up there with "I was only carrying out orders". It's sickening to see the smug head on him while the "Labour" Party carry out their carving up of this country with their FG overlords.
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SIPTU is the largest private sector union in Ireland
not even one in ten private sector workers are in it. Most public sector workers are in unions. Whatever private sector companies pay their employees is ok because the taxpayer ( net contributer to the government) does not pay it. However by doubling the govenment expenditure on public sector wages in the space of 10 years by " social partnership", from 9 billion p.a. to 18 billion p.a. , the unions played a key part in F****g the country. If only they were as concerned that the regulator / central bank / dept of finance done their job properly.
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not even one in ten private sector workers are in it. Most public sector workers are in unions. Whatever private sector companies pay their employees is ok because the taxpayer ( net contributer to the government) does not pay it. However by doubling the govenment expenditure on public sector wages in the space of 10 years by " social partnership", from 9 billion p.a. to 18 billion p.a. , the unions played a key part in F****g the country. If only they were as concerned that the regulator / central bank / dept of finance done their job properly.
In a nutshell. In a private company people would be told "there's this much coming in - so this is all we can pay you" We've all been there at some point. It is only a matter of time before the truth hits home in the Public Sector. 80% of the education budget goes on salaries. It is truly GUBU.
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