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Motorway spending

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  • #52
    antoobrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    monument wrote: »
    Taking passenger trips off roads means less congestion.

    That idea has been conclusively demonstrated to be fallacy in Dublin. Congestion did not go down in 2004 when the Luas opened, it went down when the recession took hold.


  • #53
    Banjoxed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Banjoxed


    antoobrien wrote: »
    That idea has been conclusively demonstrated to be fallacy in Dublin. Congestion did not go down in 2004 when the Luas opened, it went down when the recession took hold.

    Growth in the economy between 2004 and 2008 meant that demand for transport space outstripped capacity. If Luas wasn't there congestion would have been far worse on the corridors. Your preposition is therefore a fallacy.


  • #54
    antoobrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    munchkin_utd wrote: »
    for a road that cost 1billion, i.e. 1000 million, to build.
    even if the government paid 500grand every 6 months, it'd take 1000 years before the government has paid an equivalent cost to what the road cost.

    And assuming that some of the 1billion was land purchases and whatnot, youre still looking at 500 to 800 years before the government would have paid in toll subsidies what the road cost to build if they did it themselves.

    It should be pointed out that this project is a 45 year concession (most of the rest are 30 year concessions). So if the payments continued at that rate for the lifetime of the concession, at roughly €2.2m per annum for 45 years, the government would pay about €99m to subsidise a project that would have cost a total of €650m up front if it were not delivered by PPP.

    I'd take that over having to borrow it all up front for any project.


  • #55
    antoobrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    Banjoxed wrote: »
    Growth in the economy between 2004 and 2008 meant that demand for transport space outstripped capacity. If Luas wasn't there congestion would have been far worse on the corridors. Your preposition is therefore a fallacy.

    Did congestion reduce when Luas was opened in 2004? No
    Did growth in 2004 outstrip demand? No.
    What's the journey count? - 30m currently

    It took the recession for congestion to be reduced, not the provision of up to an extra 30m journeys p/a. That's not a fallacy, that's fact.


  • #56
    Markcheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,578 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    monument wrote: »
    Taking passenger trips off roads means less congestion.

    Taking freight off roads can notably reduce the wear on roads, as well as improves safety and lowers congestion.

    I agree with you on passenger trips,coaches can do it quicker and cheaper than trains though... And if there were municipal coach stations it'd be even easier ...
    Freight ??? It's available ... but probably not for long... Nobody uses it ...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #57
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,154 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Markcheese wrote: »
    coaches can do it quicker and cheaper than trains though...
    on some routes, not on mine, train is faster, still it shows how behind the times we actually are when a coach can travel faster then a railway, only thing it has going for it on routes which have a railway is its cheeper, upgrading tracks as much as possible and bringing the lines up to the highest speeds possible and the coach will be left in the dust where it should be in this day and age on routes which have a railway, having coaches linking from towns which don't have a railway to ones which do should be promoted or if necessary forced as part of an integrated transport network

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #58
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    i think often the railway is much faster than the coach. It's really a brand new railway being slower than the coach that has shifted our perception. The train wins hands down over the coach on the route I would take to the Capital, although it is about the same time overall as my car journey would be. Car is probably dearer in petrol and tolls, but not by much and if you have two travelling there is no contest.


  • #59
    Banjoxed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Banjoxed


    Jackson Way looking for compo:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/jackson-way-company-claims-damages-over-freezing-order-1.1730095#.Uylyfb7QqA4.twitter

    More hidden costs of the M50 South Eastern Motorway so.


  • #60
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,581 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Banjoxed wrote: »
    Jackson Way looking for compo:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/jackson-way-company-claims-damages-over-freezing-order-1.1730095#.Uylyfb7QqA4.twitter

    More hidden costs of the M50 South Eastern Motorway so.

    Chancing their arm, that's all.


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  • #61
    Banjoxed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Banjoxed


    MYOB wrote: »
    Chancing their arm, that's all.

    Yes but all that fannying around the High Court doesn't come without a price tag for the taxpayer..


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