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Sick Leave Rant

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  • #52
    ash23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭ash23


    Oh how did I know you were going to say she was a single mother. Sure we get everything handed to us on a plate. :rolleyes:


  • #53
    cournioni
    Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    Ladjacket wrote: »
    not public service - and even if it was, its nice to know you can generalise an entire workforce into one category.
    It wasn't a generalisation looking at what he/she posted. It was "every person they knew that worked in the public sector were scumbags".

    That may be true.


  • #54
    Jaysoose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,212 ✭✭✭Jaysoose


    ash23 wrote: »
    Oh how did I know you were going to say she was a single mother. Sure we get everything handed to us on a plate. :rolleyes:

    Is he not allowed to say that she is a single mother or something? some posters on boards are ridiculously defensive at this stage.


  • #55
    token101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    If you refuse to comply with reasonable instructions in a job you can be fired so it's all f***ing spoof from her.


  • #56
    44leto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    I am in the PS I get 7 uncertified sick days (hangover Days, but the bastards policy is you have to ring in before 9,3o, like who gets up at 9.30 when you are hungover, I must see the union about that).

    I am paid a full wage for any sick leave I just need a cert from a doctor and doctors god bless them will give you anything you want, once they get their fee and it is nearly impossible to sack me.

    But to my credit I never go sick or use the uncertified days. But many in my dept do. EVEN I KNOW HOW RIDICULES THIS SITUATION IS in the PS.

    So I don't want to read any posts about how hard things are in the PS and what a great job and work ethic we have.


  • #57
    ash23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭ash23


    Jaysoose wrote: »
    Is he not allowed to say that she is a single mother or something? some posters on boards are ridiculously defensive at this stage.

    No, it's just that as a single parent working full time, she will only get a medical card if she meets the means testing limits (which is easy to do when you're paying rent, childcare and have a kid to support on one wage).

    She will also be paying a rate of rent on her council house that is rated based on her wages. Council house doesn't mean no rent. It's a percentage of your wage.

    She probably won't get anything else if she is earning a decent full time wage. She may get Family Income Supplement.

    She has the same means tests as everyone else and if she meets them then she's on sh!te money or has bigger expenses.

    It never ceases to amaze me how people don't realise the same limits apply to all and it's not a case of "you're a single mother, here you go".

    People think medical cards are the holy grail. I'd rather earn enough to not have one than earn little enough to have one.

    Meh.


  • #58
    Ladjacket
    Registered Users Posts: 529 ✭✭✭Ladjacket


    ash23 wrote: »
    No, it's just that as a single parent working full time, she will only get a medical card if she meets the means testing limits (which is easy to do when you're paying rent, childcare and have a kid to support on one wage).

    She will also be paying a rate of rent on her council house that is rated based on her wages. Council house doesn't mean no rent. It's a percentage of your wage.

    She probably won't get anything else if she is earning a decent full time wage. She may get Family Income Supplement.

    She has the same means tests as everyone else and if she meets them then she's on sh!te money or has bigger expenses.

    It never ceases to amaze me how people don't realise the same limits apply to all and it's not a case of "you're a single mother, here you go".

    People think medical cards are the holy grail. I'd rather earn enough to not have one than earn little enough to have one.

    Meh.

    firstly, let me say that her circumstances as a single mother matter not a jot to me. In my workplace, there are a number of single mothers who work themselves to the bone before going home to look after their kids. I have the utmost respect for these people. But please dont take the fact that I answered the question with the correct answer to mean I was slagging off single mothers.

    Secondly, there are people in this country who have such a terrible attitude when it comes to work, I have been a supervisor over a team in the past year and the work that I have had to overlook has been shocking, and the attitude was that 'i dont get paid enough to care'.

    Is it any wonder we are where we are?


  • #59
    Queen-Mise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,461 ✭✭✭Queen-Mise


    booboo88 wrote: »
    I know the feeling but I cant get a medical card.
    pickarooney wrote: »
    The boss should give her a raise. Just enough so that she no longer qualifies for the medical card, rent relief and whatever else she's boasting about.
    ash23 wrote: »
    No, it's just that as a single parent working full time, she will only get a medical card if she meets the means testing limits (which is easy to do when you're paying rent, childcare and have a kid to support on one wage).

    She will also be paying a rate of rent on her council house that is rated based on her wages. Council house doesn't mean no rent. It's a percentage of your wage.

    She probably won't get anything else if she is earning a decent full time wage. She may get Family Income Supplement.

    She has the same means tests as everyone else and if she meets them then she's on sh!te money or has bigger expenses.

    It never ceases to amaze me how people don't realise the same limits apply to all and it's not a case of "you're a single mother, here you go".

    People think medical cards are the holy grail. I'd rather earn enough to not have one than earn little enough to have one.

    Meh.


    They are various ways of getting a medical card. The first is being unemployed etc... (obviously). She may also have a GP card and not the full medical card - and that is means tested.

    And thirdly - she may have a medical card on MEDICAL grounds despite what she is earning. If you qualify for a full medical card on health grounds then it doesn't matter what you are earning.

    I have a full medical card on health grounds (I'm not earning anything at the moment but so it is a moot point) - but my card is separate to my husband/kids - if they get a medical card it's means tested etc whereas mine isn't.


  • #60
    ash23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭ash23


    Ladjacket wrote: »
    Secondly, there are people in this country who have such a terrible attitude when it comes to work, I have been a supervisor over a team in the past year and the work that I have had to overlook has been shocking, and the attitude was that 'i dont get paid enough to care'.

    Is it any wonder we are where we are?

    I agree and I work hard. However it is very very hard not to have this attitude at times.

    There were periods over the last few years when I was working for less than I would have been getting had I given up work because of childcare costs. That is the reality. And there were times when I was in work, stressed to my eyeballs, being expected to work late and trying to figure out how to say I couldn't because I had to collect my child. At one point my last boss told me to come in on a saturday and bring my child with me!

    And then you sit down and realise that between childcare, commuting etc you are working 40+ hours a week for an extra €30 a week. And you think "ok, that's fine".
    Until you realise that you've to pay extra childcare next week because it's mid term break and you realise that if you weren't working you'd be better off by about €30 per week. You'd still be broke on welfare but hey, you wouldn't be working 40 hours a week, getting bawled out of it by your boss and getting the guilt trip from your kid for never being home.

    Thankfully I stuck it out and things turned around for me but I know I came very very close to giving up work and going on benefits. Not because I'm lazy or have a bad attitude. I'm sure there are people out there who do, but sometimes the bigger picture is more complicated than it first appears.
    Queen-Mise wrote: »
    They are various ways of getting a medical card. The first is being unemployed etc... (obviously). She may also have a GP card and not the full medical card - and that is means tested.

    And thirdly - she may have a medical card on MEDICAL grounds despite what she is earning. If you qualify for a full medical card on health grounds then it doesn't matter what you are earning.

    I have a full medical card on health grounds (I'm not earning anything at the moment but so it is a moot point) - but my card is separate to my husband/kids - if they get a medical card it's means tested etc whereas mine isn't.

    A person on low wages with high childcare costs and high rent can also qualify for a full medical card. I work full time and have a full medical card on a means tested basis. I'll probably lose it this year because my circumstances have changed (rent reductions and pay increases) but I've qualified for it for the last few years while working full time.


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  • #61
    Ladjacket
    Registered Users Posts: 529 ✭✭✭Ladjacket


    ash23 wrote: »
    I agree and I work hard. However it is very very hard not to have this attitude at times.

    There were periods over the last few years when I was working for less than I would have been getting had I given up work because of childcare costs. That is the reality. And there were times when I was in work, stressed to my eyeballs, being expected to work late and trying to figure out how to say I couldn't because I had to collect my child. At one point my last boss told me to come in on a saturday and bring my child with me!

    And then you sit down and realise that between childcare, commuting etc you are working 40+ hours a week for an extra €30 a week. And you think "ok, that's fine".
    Until you realise that you've to pay extra childcare next week because it's mid term break and you realise that if you weren't working you'd be better off by about €30 per week. You'd still be broke on welfare but hey, you wouldn't be working 40 hours a week, getting bawled out of it by your boss and getting the guilt trip from your kid for never being home.

    Thankfully I stuck it out and things turned around for me but I know I came very very close to giving up work and going on benefits. Not because I'm lazy or have a bad attitude. I'm sure there are people out there who do, but sometimes the bigger picture is more complicated than it first appears.


    Fair play to you, as I said earlier there are a number of people who jump through hoops just to be at work on time etc and they deserve immense credit.

    Also, just to point out, on the original post, the girl who said that she is bored since she came back sick leave and it was better craic when she was off is about 20 years old, no kids, living at home etc. No ties from what I can see.

    Pardon the pun, but it is sickening!


  • #62
    Chain_reaction
    Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭Chain_reaction


    I'm signed off sick at the moment, was for five days about two weeks ago and signed off again today for another five days as its just not shifting.

    I'm bloody mortified, all I want to do is work!! I don't get paid either but I can't be there when I'm coughing due to the work I do.


    Do employers actually think it looks bad? I'm doing my best to get better even went to work this morning only to relise I'd have the same issue I had all of last week.

    Taking it just to have the craic at home? What a joke. I don't even leave the house when on it for fear of being seen by someone I work with.


  • #63
    Nothingbetter2d
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Nothingbetter2d


    i think schools need to relax their policy of not accepting 4 year olds. as this would help alot of mothers out and allow them to go back to work a year sooner. cos creche costs are just insance these days.


  • #64
    AeoNGriM
    Registered Users Posts: 712 ✭✭✭AeoNGriM


    bijapos wrote: »
    There's your answer.

    Along with this she has a track record of being off sick because of stress so if she is fired she'll have no hassle with the social.

    So hang her to the social then. Tell them you work with her, know she's not really sick, she's just working the system etc.

    Fcuking leech.


  • #65
    Phenomenally Phrank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 94 ✭✭Phenomenally Phrank


    Ladjacket wrote: »
    I work in an office where people are quick to spill their guts on all forms of their lives.


    And people wonder why others are emigrating?

    Sick of it.

    Ah jesus, this woman sounds like a right stubborn little waster:mad:
    **** her for giving credibility to the whole 'Irish people are lazy' stereotype. Bitch needs to be sacked and forced into the real world, where her bull**** won't wash.


  • #66
    booboo88
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭booboo88


    Queen-Mise wrote: »
    They are various ways of getting a medical card. The first is being unemployed etc... (obviously). She may also have a GP card and not the full medical card - and that is means tested.

    And thirdly - she may have a medical card on MEDICAL grounds despite what she is earning. If you qualify for a full medical card on health grounds then it doesn't matter what you are earning.

    I have a full medical card on health grounds (I'm not earning anything at the moment but so it is a moot point) - but my card is separate to my husband/kids - if they get a medical card it's means tested etc whereas mine isn't.
    Have already tried it on medical grounds


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  • #67
    Ladjacket
    Registered Users Posts: 529 ✭✭✭Ladjacket


    Chain_reaction wrote: »
    I'm signed off sick at the moment, was for five days about two weeks ago and signed off again today for another five days as its just not shifting.

    I'm bloody mortified, all I want to do is work!! I don't get paid either but I can't be there when I'm coughing due to the work I do.


    Do employers actually think it looks bad? I'm doing my best to get better even went to work this morning only to relise I'd have the same issue I had all of last week.

    Taking it just to have the craic at home? What a joke. I don't even leave the house when on it for fear of being seen by someone I work with.


    I think that most employers know the story with sick leave, if someone is genuinely ill then they are ill, end of story, whereas you can always pick up on the spoofers.

    As for shopping her to the welfare, thats not my place to do that, as much as I give out about her, i think that telling tales is low as well.

    I just wish that when the country was in rude health, that someone would have had the foresight to ensure that things were set up to allow free health care, as well an incentive to work.


  • #68
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Ladjacket wrote: »
    you are exactly right - the amount of people that would kill to stay here and work but have been forced to leave. It is in a customer service type job that I am in, not going to reveal the name of organisation on here, but it is not public sector.

    What you mean that the perfect holier than thou private sector has slackers. No way i just don't believe it. :eek:


  • #69
    Ladjacket
    Registered Users Posts: 529 ✭✭✭Ladjacket


    woodoo wrote: »
    What you mean that the perfect holier than thou private sector has slackers. No way i just don't believe it. :eek:

    No.

    Someone had asked if it was public sector and I was merely stating that it was not.

    Jeez.


  • #70
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Ladjacket wrote: »
    No.

    Someone had asked if it was public sector and I was merely stating that it was not.

    Jeez.

    I'm not having a go at you ladjacket. I believe you because i have seen the same thing happen in a company i worked in years ago.

    I was having a sarcastic swipe at some of the people whose names i recognise as non stop bashers of everything public service.


  • #71
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Wibbs wrote: »
    She says this to her supervisor and this muppet isn't in any fear of being let go?
    If you go to a solicitor they can get a doctor to say your dying of stress and can't work at the moment. This means you can stay off indefinitely without being fired because nobody can prove whether you are stressed or not.

    This country will end up back in the 40s simply because Irish people are self centred and don't care about anything outside of themselves.


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  • #72
    Ladjacket
    Registered Users Posts: 529 ✭✭✭Ladjacket


    woodoo wrote: »
    I'm not having a go at you ladjacket. I believe you because i have seen the same thing happen in a company i worked in years ago.

    I was having a sarcastic swipe at some of the people whose names i recognise as non stop bashers of everything public service.

    ok, apologies to you Woodoo, I thought you were insinuating that I was having a pop at the public sector.

    To be frank, I was not expecting the reaction that I have seen on this thread, I was so angry this morning when I hear this woman at work that I posted it as a bit of a rant.

    It is easy for people to say just sack her but unfortunately that is no longer acceptable, they are the sort of people who will pin the old unfair dismissal case on you then.

    In another case i know of, a friend of mine works for a company who has guy signed off on sick leave since Xmas, due to stress. He is in receipt of sickness benefit in addition to all his other benefits, and spends his days playing golf. He still plays ball for his local team and scored a goal last week and was pictured in the local paper celebrating it. Stressed? And to top it off, my mate told me that the guy marking him in the game, was his boss!

    100% truth. I can't understand how people like that hold all the aces.


  • #73
    Nyan Cat
    Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭Nyan Cat


    Ladjacket wrote: »
    As for shopping her to the welfare, thats not my place to do that, as much as I give out about her, i think that telling tales is low as well.
    .
    I have noooo idea what her story is but I want to point out that the worry of looking like a snitch etc is one of the reasons welfare fraud continues. Like I said I've no idea what her story is but wanted to point that out


  • #74
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Jaysoose wrote: »
    But you quoted a post about benefits and the dole in particular then call bull**** regards employment law? Weird post just got weirder.

    What do you mean that you cant sign yourself out of work for a week in dublin..you can get a sick note from the doctor and be out..your talking nonsense.

    In N.I you can self certify as sick for a week. No need to go near a doctor. generally in the UK employment law is more generous towards employees, so yeah, bullsh*te that nordies are in awe of how handy we have it.


  • #75
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Ladjacket wrote: »

    In another case i know of, a friend of mine works for a company who has guy signed off on sick leave since Xmas, due to stress. He is in receipt of sickness benefit in addition to all his other benefits.

    Presumably the guy who's off sick told you (or your mate lol) all this, because I'm pretty sure someone in that company will be in contravention of the DPA otherwise :pac:


  • #76
    Ladjacket
    Registered Users Posts: 529 ✭✭✭Ladjacket


    Bambi wrote: »
    Presumably the guy who's off sick told you (or your mate lol) all this, because I'm pretty sure someone in that company will be in contravention of the DPA otherwise :pac:

    ha! no, the guy is off sick has been very open about it all, telling anyone who wants to know.

    It all slots in to the bigger picture of people being so brazen bout it these days, they dont care who knows what they are up to.


  • #77
    angry kitten
    Closed Accounts Posts: 311 ✭✭angry kitten


    Whatever happened to doctors sorting out the sick from the time wasters?


  • #78
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Anywhere I have worked you get 5 or 6 days uncertified sick leave in a 12 month period, after that you need a cert from a doctor, and also you can only take 2 uncertified days in a row on the third you need a cert.

    Have seen things like this before though where someone doesnt want to come to work because its busy or they are asked to do something they dont want to do so they get a cert from a doctor for a week or two until someone else has done their job for them.

    I always wondered though how a doctor can write a cert for someone who isnt actually sick? There should be some sort of regulation as far as Doctor's and this behaviour is concerned its disgraceful and very annoying. There are people in my workplace that are notorious for getting certs when they want one, and there is one doctor in particular that is widely known to hand them out almost over the phone.


  • #79
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,119 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    angry kitten wrote: »
    Whatever happened to doctors sorting out the sick from the time wasters?

    The doctors are too stressed to know what's going on.


  • #80
    angry kitten
    Closed Accounts Posts: 311 ✭✭angry kitten


    There are several gp's in my town one used to have a reputation for being free and easy with the certs. Conveniently he used to open before 9am. By God you should have seen the queue of cars outside his practice every morning. He's retired now and his replacement is causing a stir amongst his old patients as is not as accommodating.


  • #81
    Katgurl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭Katgurl


    This $hit makes my blood boil.

    As I very rarely get sick, for years I never phoned in sick until one day (after being with company since inception) I was in an extremely bad accident and underwent two major surgeries. The boss from the company rang me half hour after I was out, of surgery for something irrelevant, phoned me relentlessly for the rest of the week. I received sick note from hospital to cover a month initially but opted to work from home following week. Throughout the week I received various phonecalls saying I really needed to be in office (despite being covered to be entirely off sick) and I had to argue my corner that I physically wasn't able to walk.

    That is the type of b0ll0cks most of us put up with in order to keep our jobs. Yes my employer was being a pr!ck and taking advantage and frankly, leaving himself wide open to being sued.

    However the individual the OP has described above could frankly do with a dose of the cr@p most of us have to endure.


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  • #82
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    woodoo wrote: »
    I'm not having a go at you ladjacket. I believe you because i have seen the same thing happen in a company i worked in years ago.

    I was having a sarcastic swipe at some of the people whose names i recognise as non stop bashers of everything public service.

    And then there are those who DEFEND everything Public Service............:rolleyes:


  • #83
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    Katgurl wrote: »
    This $hit makes my blood boil.

    As I very rarely get sick, for years I never phoned in sick until one day (after being with company since inception) I was in an extremely bad accident and underwent two major surgeries. The boss from the company rang me half hour after I was out, of surgery for something irrelevant, phoned me relentlessly for the rest of the week. I received sick note from hospital to cover a month initially but opted to work from home following week. Throughout the week I received various phonecalls saying I really needed to be in office (despite being covered to be entirely off sick) and I had to argue my corner that I physically wasn't able to walk.

    That is the type of b0ll0cks most of us put up with in order to keep our jobs. Yes my employer was being a pr!ck and taking advantage and frankly, leaving himself wide open to being sued.

    However the individual the OP has described above could frankly do with a dose of the cr@p most of us have to endure.

    As I pointed out earlier, you are one of the 25% of conscientious workers unfortunately. The old saying comes to mind: "They'll Flog The Willing Horse".

    Never a truer word spoken.


  • #84
    msg11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭msg11


    Ah annual government provided holidays. It ruins rampant in my place. I haven't call in sick in over 4 years, don't plan on doing so unless I am in a seriously bad way. Once you go down the route of ringing in sick, then it's going to happen all the time. Just get a new job if you want fresh..


  • #85
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    donalg1 wrote: »
    Anywhere I have worked you get 5 or 6 days uncertified sick leave in a 12 month period, after that you need a cert from a doctor, and also you can only take 2 uncertified days in a row on the third you need a cert.

    Have seen things like this before though where someone doesnt want to come to work because its busy or they are asked to do something they dont want to do so they get a cert from a doctor for a week or two until someone else has done their job for them.

    I always wondered though how a doctor can write a cert for someone who isnt actually sick? There should be some sort of regulation as far as Doctor's and this behaviour is concerned its disgraceful and very annoying. There are people in my workplace that are notorious for getting certs when they want one, and there is one doctor in particular that is widely known to hand them out almost over the phone.

    Hard one to call. If they convince the doc that they are genuinely in pain/sick there's not a lot he can do. The company I work for pay up to 60 days sick leave each year. I myself was out with swine flu last year for two weeks (confined to bed/home).

    The longest I have been out - ever - was eight weeks while being treated in hospital for, essentially, a wrecked back. Literally.


  • #86
    Janedoe10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭Janedoe10


    In oour place of work . A sick incident is what it's called and there are limits in a rolling 24 month period . You exceed those limits and u are not eligible for pay increase(performance based) promotion .. It doesn't help u to be sick and is a curse if u have a long time illness and need to work to be able to afford things like medicine etc .. U always end up try to over compensate as u think your self u are under performing compared to others because if your illness but it's the company policy that has fostered this impression ... I would be raging like u if I had to listen to that crap all day ..


  • #87
    mikemac1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Janedoe10 wrote: »
    In oour place of work . A sick incident is what it's called and there are limits in a rolling 24 month period . You exceed those limits and u are not eligible for pay increase(performance based) promotion ..

    Bit harsh, you could get knocked down by a bus this evening, miss time from work and boom, no pay increase for you
    A bus is a dramatic example, someone with a long term illness is more usual but they are a good worker and struggle on

    I understand why it's there but it's very blunt and treats everyone the same
    Your management are hitting the genuine cases as well as the rogues


  • #88
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    woodoo wrote: »
    I'm not having a go at you ladjacket. I believe you because i have seen the same thing happen in a company i worked in years ago.

    I was having a sarcastic swipe at some of the people whose names i recognise as non stop bashers of everything public service.

    And then there are those who DEFEND everything Public Service............:rolleyes:

    What's it got to do with the public service the op has said he doesn't work in the ps. Can't there be one thread that doesn't refer to it?


  • #89
    Ladjacket
    Registered Users Posts: 529 ✭✭✭Ladjacket


    OP here again!

    To be fair, I did not create this thread for people to moan about any sector or any type of job etc. I arrived at work today in a bad mood after talking to my brother on Skype who is Australia. He left the country with his wife two years ago and whilst in Oz has been graced with a little baby boy, who we have only seen on Skype.

    He left because there was no work here. Then to hear someone like the guys described in the original post really wound me up.

    But it is not even those people where the blame lies. Every one of us deserve the blame because like it or not, we have allowed it to happen. The people we have elected into govern us have run amok with our finances.

    No other country in the world would allow a situation to develop whereby people can sit on their behinds at home and get just as much money as the man/woman who works themselves to the bone 40 hours a week.

    Its a disgrace.


  • #90
    Robdude
    Closed Accounts Posts: 709 ✭✭✭Robdude


    As a Non-EU immigrant, I'm told I'm ineligible for disability, the dole, and pretty much every other social program.

    Am I eligible for this 'sick-leave' stuff?


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  • #91
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    "Only in Ireland"... do Irish people bitch and moan about the society of which they're part.

    And someone actually has a problem with the public sector (because they're not all layabouts) being defended - lol at the bitterness. :D
    As if any of those public sector bashers wouldn't have taken a public sector job back in the day - why take issue with those who simply take a particular job?


  • #92
    booboo88
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭booboo88


    To be fair every job is tough, you're doing twice the work with half the pay. The only thing that gets my goat is the paid sick leave they have, Like when Im not and go back to work, not only am I down wages, I also have to sit through "a back to working meeting" regardless of the length of time your out and explain why you were out and do you realise the effect it had on everyone else blah blah blah and be threatened with verbal warnings for having to go to funerals.


  • #93
    oldyouth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,754 ✭✭✭oldyouth


    I can't begin to tell you what it takes to drag my broken carcass in to work every morning but I do it because I have to fight what life has thrown at me. I would get far more "pulling a sickie" but I'm proud to do the right thing & I know my kids are proud of me for doing it.

    Anyone who uses minor temporary illnesses as a weapon against her employers is a tool


  • #94
    InReality
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,374 ✭✭✭InReality


    People will take advantage of any "system" esp in this country.
    Even so , I think its the lesser of 2 evils to have at least semi-generous sick-leave arrangements.
    The long-term damage done to someone by work place stress is huge.


  • #95
    Ladjacket
    Registered Users Posts: 529 ✭✭✭Ladjacket


    Dudess wrote: »
    "Only in Ireland"... do Irish people bitch and moan about the society of which they're part.

    And someone actually has a problem with the public sector (because they're not all layabouts) being defended - lol at the bitterness. :D
    As if any of those public sector bashers wouldn't have taken a public sector job back in the day - why take issue with those who simply take a particular job?

    not bitching about it Dudess, but just find it very unfair on the majority of hard working souls who are finding it hard to maintain work and family life then to compare it to people who openly admit they are living the high life on the dole and 'sure why would ye work, its great this dole craic'.

    Pretty galling.


  • #96
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    Dudess wrote: »
    "Only in Ireland"... do Irish people bitch and moan about the society of which they're part.

    And someone actually has a problem with the public sector (because they're not all layabouts) being defended - lol at the bitterness. :D
    As if any of those public sector bashers wouldn't have taken a public sector job back in the day - why take issue with those who simply take a particular job?

    No-one's "taking issue" with taking a particular job. Merely the positive discrimination propagated in favour of those who now occupy those positions - at th expense of the rest of us. Some naive young Jedi call it bashing. Others see it for what it is. Reality.


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  • #97
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    Ladjacket wrote: »
    OP here again!

    To be fair, I did not create this thread for people to moan about any sector or any type of job etc. I arrived at work today in a bad mood after talking to my brother on Skype who is Australia. He left the country with his wife two years ago and whilst in Oz has been graced with a little baby boy, who we have only seen on Skype.

    He left because there was no work here. Then to hear someone like the guys described in the original post really wound me up.

    But it is not even those people where the blame lies. Every one of us deserve the blame because like it or not, we have allowed it to happen. The people we have elected into govern us have run amok with our finances.

    No other country in the world would allow a situation to develop whereby people can sit on their behinds at home and get just as much money as the man/woman who works themselves to the bone 40 hours a week.

    Its a disgrace.

    Indeed it is. Everyone is to blame? Dunno about that one though. Nothing will change with either SW payments or the PS wage bill while the "Labour" party prop up their FG overlords.


  • #98
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Ladjacket wrote: »
    I work in an office where people are quick to spill their guts on all forms of their lives.

    This morning, I overheard a member of staff being asked by their supervisor to train on a new element to her job. Her response was that she would not do it because she is not capable of learning new things and that if she was forced to do it, she would get herself signed off on sick leave. She went on to say how she is in receipt of a medical card and uses it when she has a cold or hay fever etc.

    Another girl piped up who has just returned from sick leave last week to say she is sick of the place already and might get herself signed out again as she 'had better craic when she was off'.

    What the hell is wrong with people these days!? I earn just over the minimum wage, pay my revenue contributions and the USC, rent, bills food and by the end of the month I am awaiting the next wage packet with baited breath, yet some of these people are leading the high life.

    And people wonder why others are emigrating?

    Sick of it.

    I blame the doctors who are giving sick certs to these people and management who are putting up with it.
    Is there no company doctor they are required to attend? I know some places have counselling sessions if you are of sick on a regular basic or out for a long time.
    Does it affect their pay/increments?


  • #99
    quietriot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 347 ✭✭quietriot


    Don't let it get to you, OP. These people end up nowhere in life and then blame everyone else for them being there. They're best off ignored. We'll see how quick they are to go back on benefits when the EU steps in over the budget and the social welfare goes from cushy to poverty for such people.


  • #100
    Ladjacket
    Registered Users Posts: 529 ✭✭✭Ladjacket


    what an eventful day!!

    just about to head to bed before another day of listening to my fantastic work colleagues moan and whinge about their jobs!

    the irony in all of this is that our HR team were under a lot of strain recently due to one of the team being off on maternity, so i said i would help out, pretty much with advertising, compiling and filing the cvs and applications we received etc etc.

    The amount of fantastic people that are out there, hugely qualified who are mad for work and willing to work a low wage job but we cant hire them because it means sacking one of these people i mention in the OP.

    It would be enough to drive you to sick leave!


  • #101
    quietriot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 347 ✭✭quietriot


    Don't stress about it too much, it's only a matter of time before they're made pregnant by someone they just met and go into social housing and out of the workforce so they can be "full time mas".


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