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Removing yourself from the voters register.

  • 22-06-2013 3:21pm
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    Fred Swanson
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    Bluegrass1
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    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    You have to get someone else to remove you. You can't do it yourself.


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    Fred Swanson
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    Bluegrass1
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    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    Because you don't maintain the register.


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    Fred Swanson
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    Bluegrass1
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    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    That is not what you asked in the first place.


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    Fred Swanson
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    knird evol
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    Why would the county council make a request to themselves.

    Talking to yourself - first sign of madness.


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    Fred Swanson
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    YellowFeather
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    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    Or, as knird would say, Ogra. ;)


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    Ted_YNWA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,799 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    To assist you OP.

    Found this on Citizens Information
    If you need to add your name or change your entry in the draft Register, you can do this up to 25 November each year. You must fill in form RFA1 for the draft Register (pdf). You can get an RFA1 form from your local post office or public library. Forms are also available from your local authority and this is where completed forms should be returned to.


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    68Murph68
    Registered Users Posts: 583 ✭✭✭68Murph68


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    Possibly will depend on which county council you have to deal with.

    Told Kerry County Council that I moving over 10 years ago and to take me off.

    Still get election stuff to old address [parent's house]

    If they don't take someone who does give a new address off, I wouldnt fancy your chances if you don't give a new address.


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    knird evol
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭knird evol


    All citizins of age have an entitlement to vote in the various elections. Nobody can remove that right(including the person themselves). The register merely records which constituency you can vote in by virtue of residence. If any council removed someone from a register that wasn't being added in another constituency they would be cancelling that persons entitlement to vote - something which they have no authority to do.


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    Fred Swanson
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    coylemj
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    knird evol wrote: »
    If any council removed someone from a register that wasn't being added in another constituency they would be cancelling that persons entitlement to vote - something which they have no authority to do.

    The council is well within it's rights to remove someone from the register if they don't bother to fill in the form you get to register to vote. They are not obliged to check if he has registered in another constituency and even if they wanted to, they can't because there is no central register. The fact that someone registers in Tralee doesn't mean that they will get removed from the register in Dun Laoghaire.

    It would be possible to have a central register based on PPS number but that would give the civil liberties mob an excuse to protest about a 'Big Brother' state keeping tabs on you.

    If you're not in the draft register then you can ask to be added so there is no excuse if you fail to make a return and end up not on the register at the next election or referendum. By the same token, if the OP has not submitted a return and finds that his name is on the next draft register, he can ask to be removed.


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    Victor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,491 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    68Murph68 wrote: »
    Possibly will depend on which county council you have to deal with.

    Told Kerry County Council that I moving over 10 years ago and to take me off.

    Still get election stuff to old address [parent's house]

    If they don't take someone who does give a new address off, I wouldnt fancy your chances if you don't give a new address.
    This is your parent's fault. Have them make a return to the council, without your name.

    That you are knowingly on the register in more than one place may be legally problematic.


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    coylemj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,492 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    Victor wrote: »
    That you are knowingly on the register in more than one place may be legally problematic.

    Passively being on ten different registers has no adverse consequences for an individual unless he or she attempts to vote more than once at a specific election or referendum.

    If you haven't actively attempted to concurrently register on multiple registers then is it not 'problematic' at all, in fact it was endemic up to a few years ago due to inertia at local council level.

    If I lead a nomadic life and register at every new address, the state can't prosecute me if I'm still on the register at all of my previous addresses. It's up to each local authority to clean up their register. I can register to vote at my new address but I am not obliged to inform the council at my previous address that I have moved out of their area.


  • #18
    Marcusm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,441 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    coylemj wrote: »
    Passively being on ten different registers has no adverse consequences for an individual unless he or she attempts to vote more than once at a specific election or referendum.

    If you haven't actively attempted to concurrently register on multiple registers then is it not 'problematic' at all, in fact it was endemic up to a few years ago due to inertia at local council level.

    If I lead a nomadic life and register at every new address, the state can't prosecute me if I'm still on the register at all of my previous addresses. It's up to each local authority to clean up their register. I can register to vote at my new address but I am not obliged to inform the council at my previous address that I have moved out of their area.

    It does massively increase the likelihood of being called for jury service; although whether you'd find out about it is a different matter. Can't imagine there are many prosecutions for failing to appear (and it might be a reasonable excuse).


  • #19
    Krieg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭Krieg


    I got galway city council to remove me off the voting register.

    Some local politician signed me up to it without my permission. I rang up the council with the intention of going hell for leather on the issue, but it wasn't needed, the women in the council just said "yep, no problem". Thought they were BS'ing me but i checked a week later and i was taken off


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    68Murph68
    Registered Users Posts: 583 ✭✭✭68Murph68


    coylemj wrote: »
    Passively being on ten different registers has no adverse consequences for an individual unless he or she attempts to vote more than once at a specific election or referendum.

    If you haven't actively attempted to concurrently register on multiple registers then is it not 'problematic' at all, in fact it was endemic up to a few years ago due to inertia at local council level.

    If I lead a nomadic life and register at every new address, the state can't prosecute me if I'm still on the register at all of my previous addresses. It's up to each local authority to clean up their register. I can register to vote at my new address but I am not obliged to inform the council at my previous address that I have moved out of their area.

    Actually asked a relative about this who was acting as a director of elections. He checked with a presiding officer. Basically being on the register in multiple places is not a problem, as there is apparently a serious amount of people registered in more than one place.

    Voting (or attempting to vote) multiple times is a very different situation.

    As it happened I could have very easily voted in two locations at the last general election and no one would have been any the wiser.

    Obviously I didn't but it did convince me that there should be one central register as opposed to the situation where the county councils have responsibility, and the standards seem to vary from one county council to the next.

    I would rate an efficient accurate register of elections as being more important than any civil liberties issues.


  • #21
    68Murph68
    Registered Users Posts: 583 ✭✭✭68Murph68


    Victor wrote: »
    This is your parent's fault. Have them make a return to the council, without your name.

    That you are knowingly on the register in more than one place may be legally problematic.

    I think this is clearly Kerry County Council's fault.

    I informed them I was moving and they did nothing.

    Having had both relatives and a friend employed by Kerry County Council at various points I have zero faith that if I or my parents do get in touch, they will bother to do anything this time round either.

    As far as I'm concerned my conscience is clear - I did my duty as a citizen and informed the proper authorities.


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  • #22
    huskerdu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭huskerdu


    knird evol wrote: »
    All citizins of age have an entitlement to vote in the various elections. Nobody can remove that right(including the person themselves). The register merely records which constituency you can vote in by virtue of residence. If any council removed someone from a register that wasn't being added in another constituency they would be cancelling that persons entitlement to vote - something which they have no authority to do.

    But they do this all the time. I have two stories to illustrate this.

    Dublin City Council and Dun Laoaghaire - Rathdown Council County send people out to go door to door to update the register regularly.

    They ask " Who lives at this address?" and update the register accordingly. The first year that this happened, I told them that we lived there and the previous owner had moved. They did not ask for any details of where she had moved. They simply removed her from the register.

    A friend of mine moved and forgot to re-register . She assumed that she would still have a vote at her old flat. She called to the door and asked for her polling card. The new tenants said that when the guy called to the door they said that she had moved. Her name was no longer on the register.

    The system is very flakey.


  • #23
    Victor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,491 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    68Murph68 wrote: »
    I think this is clearly Kerry County Council's fault.

    I informed them I was moving and they did nothing.
    Actually, write to them again, threatening them with the Data Protection Commissioner, as they are retaining unnecessary information and failing to correct incorrect information.


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