Vuelta a España Stage 9 – Aug 31st, Carboneras - AramónUnmasked Spoilers

Darkglasses · 31-08-2014 9:57am #1

We're back to the GC fight, and the weather is going to be a factor today. The first 100km is easy, in the sunshine with a healthy tailwind. After this point, the temperature will drop and the road will start to go upwards. The peloton will meet the first categorized climb, the cat 3 Puerto de Cabigordo. Due to several descents before the top, the 18 km are set to have an average gradient of just 3.8 %. In reality, the uphill sections are much steeper.

Upon completing this climb, the riders will then be faced with rain and a headwind to add to their woes. With 25km to go, they will meet the Cat 2 Alto de San Rafael, 11.5km at 4.2%. After a very short descent, they will meet the final climb of the day

As with the last high mountain stage, there are a very large number of favourites to choose from. However, we do have a better idea of where some riders stand. Chris Froome and Alejandro Valverde looked the two strongest climbers last time round, and this stage may suit Froome better with the longer climb provided he can survive the wet roads. The longer climb will also suit Contador and Quintana, which I feel will give them the edge over the punchier climbers like Rodriguez and Dan Martin.

Oddschecker: Valverde 7/2, Froome 7/2, Rodriguez 7/1, Contador 15/2, Quintana 10/1

MPFG · 31-08-2014 10:00am

Contador

None of the stages this year look half as hard as last year...

Anyway think this is Froome or Condator

Its raining and the temp at finish is 15 C.......
Very big drop from 40 C

Could cause some chills in the peloton

Darkglasses · 31-08-2014 10:04am

Contador

MPFG wrote: »

None of the stages this year look half as hrad as last year...

Anyway think this is Froome or Condator

Ist raining and the temp at finish is 15 C.......
Very big drop from 40 C

Could casue some chills in the peloton

Next weekend will probably be the hardest, there's 2 Cat 1s on Saturday, a HC climb on Sunday and then 4 Cat 1s on Monday. I don't really know my Spanish geography too well but I think this year they've tried to stay well off the beaten track, so there's less familiar well-known climbs.

MPFG · 31-08-2014 10:17am

Contador

Darkglasses wrote: »

Next weekend will probably be the hardest, there's 2 Cat 1s on Saturday, a HC climb on Sunday and then 4 Cat 1s on Monday. I don't really know my Spanish geography too well but I think this year they've tried to stay well off the beaten track, so there's less familiar well-known climbs.

Its seesm to me that this year they wanted more sprints....

daramike · 31-08-2014 10:23am

Uran

Stage 9 today DG. I think the GC teams will let a break go today, so hopefully we get decent climbers in it. The bookies think the GC guys will fight it out thus you can get some pretty useful riders at huge prices. I have taken a few, Coppel 250/1, Trofimov 200/1, Sicard 200/1 and Talansky 100/1.

daramike · 31-08-2014 10:28am

Uran

Darkglasses wrote: »

Next weekend will probably be the hardest, there's 2 Cat 1s on Saturday, a HC climb on Sunday and then 4 Cat 1s on Monday. I don't really know my Spanish geography too well but I think this year they've tried to stay well off the beaten track, so there's less familiar well-known climbs.

They avioded the Pyrennes completly and Sierra Nevada mad stuff.

Darkglasses · 31-08-2014 10:46am

Contador

Eurosport are live from 3 pm, but Team Belkin say on twitter that they'll be live from 1 pm (although it says on their website 2 pm). Not sure if there'll be commentary or if it's geolocked

http://www.teambelkin.com/live

pajor · 31-08-2014 11:00am

Rodriguez

MPFG wrote: »

None of the stages this year look half as hard as last year...

Anyway think this is Froome or Condator

Its raining and the temp at finish is 15 C.......
Very big drop from 40 C

Could cause some chills in the peloton

Kirby did say something about the organisers possibly tuning it down this year to take into account the punishing weather.

But that was Kirby. :pac:

MPFG · 31-08-2014 12:31pm

Contador

daramike wrote: »

Stage 9 today DG. I think the GC teams will let a break go today, so hopefully we get decent climbers in it. The bookies think the GC guys will fight it out thus you can get some pretty useful riders at huge prices. I have taken a few, Coppel 250/1, Trofimov 200/1, Sicard 200/1 and Talansky 100/1.

talansky would eb a great bet if he can get in the break

daramike · 31-08-2014 12:36pm

Uran

Over 40 guys in the break,this should be fun

daramike · 31-08-2014 12:39pm

Uran

27 is reported now 19 names and none of my 4 picks ****.

at1withmyself · 31-08-2014 12:48pm

daramike wrote: »

27 is reported now 19 names and none of my 4 picks ****.

Nearly 4 and half minutes on the peleton so should be a good day, some strong names in there looking for a stage win today:

Dario CATALDO
Winner ANACONA
Julian David ARREDONDO MORENO
Fabio FELLINE
Bob JUNGELS
Alexey LUTSENKO
Damiano CUNEGO
Paul MARTENS
Ryder HESJEDAL
Johan VAN SUMMEREN
Pirmin LANG
Eduard VORGANOV
Adam HANSEN
Javier MORENO
Daniel TEKLEHAIMANOT
Jay Robert THOMSON
Tom BOONEN
Carlos VERONA
Rinaldo NOCENTINI
Sam BEWLEY

Darkglasses · 31-08-2014 1:08pm

Contador

Moreno Hofland has abandoned, don't know why.

Edit: Respiratory infection

Darkglasses · 31-08-2014 1:46pm

Contador

The peloton are just going over the 70km mark, and the pace has been high as expected. The gap to the breakaway has grown to 6'30, meaning Winner Anacona is now the virtual GC leader.

Darkglasses · 31-08-2014 1:57pm

Contador

Gap is up to 7'30 and 93km to go

MPFG · 31-08-2014 2:29pm

Contador

Well i have Winner Anacona & Hofland in my fanstasy team...sopluses and minues abound

Darkglasses · 31-08-2014 2:42pm

Contador

Rotten conditions at the finish

Darkglasses · 31-08-2014 3:10pm

Contador

Live coverage has started, the gap went as far out as 8'30 but has now dropped to under 7, so the peloton are working on it. 40km to go

Darkglasses · 31-08-2014 3:41pm

Contador

Aru's dropped and shipping a lot of time. The weather is turning quite nasty

pajor · 31-08-2014 4:04pm

Rodriguez

Tony Martin making an effort to bridge across to the front 3, who are now on the final climb. Really foul weather alright.

Darkglasses · 31-08-2014 4:09pm

Contador

Sky are starting to do some damage on the peloton as well

Kinet1c · 31-08-2014 4:20pm

Martin trying to break off from the peloton now.

Edit: got caught, contador has broke well from it though!

spock. · 31-08-2014 4:25pm

Froome is cooked!

pajor · 31-08-2014 4:31pm

Rodriguez

Iranoutofideas · 31-08-2014 4:34pm

Quintana

Good man Bertie

Iranoutofideas · 31-08-2014 4:34pm

Quintana

Good man Bertie

letape · 31-08-2014 4:43pm

pajor wrote: »

Anyone got the stage result?

Roquentin · 31-08-2014 4:44pm

froome was disappointing. great end though

Darkglasses · 31-08-2014 4:45pm

Contador

letape wrote: »

Anyone got the stage result?

Iranoutofideas · 31-08-2014 4:58pm

Quintana

Roquentin wrote: »

froome was disappointing. It was great

FYP

pajor · 31-08-2014 5:04pm

Rodriguez

Anacona is some Winner alright. :pac:

Sorry, had to be done.

MPFG · 31-08-2014 5:10pm

Contador

Froome told the truth when he said is from wasn't top...Unlike Bertie & Tinkoff who may have been down playing their chances to put it mildly

Dan Martin did a good ride...continue like that and he could move in to top 10 by end of next week

Iranoutofideas · 31-08-2014 6:16pm

Quintana

MPFG wrote: »

Froome told the truth when he said is from wasn't top...Unlike Bertie & Tinkoff who may have been down playing their chances to put it mildly

Dan Martin did a good ride...continue like that and he could move in to top 10 by end of next week

Has Bertie being pulling everyone else's leg concerning the state of his own?

Inquitus · 31-08-2014 6:18pm

Contador

Iranoutofideas wrote: »

Has Bertie being pulling everyone else's leg concerning the state of his own?

Who knows, allegedly he had a broken femur and spent 6 weeks off the bike. Hard to believe his performances if that is true.

Chips Lovell · 31-08-2014 6:46pm

Iranoutofideas wrote: »

Has Bertie being pulling everyone else's leg concerning the state of his own?

Lot of sandbagging going on. He was seen out training when he claimed he hadn't even climbed back on a bike yet.

ROK ON · 31-08-2014 7:06pm

MPFG wrote: »

Dan Martin did a good ride...continue like that and he could move in to top 10 by end of next week

Have to disagree. Headless. He attacked too early and made no real inroads. The Contador attack leveraged Dans move and showed how it should be done.

In the days since his second place I feel he is riding like a desperate man - attacking for placings and getting reeled in. He is better than that and needs to be a bit more selective about when it is on. If one didn't know better one would think that he was out of contract and needs placings to get a ride for next year.

MPFG · 31-08-2014 7:14pm

Contador

ROK ON wrote: »

Have to disagree. Headless. He attacked too early and made no real inroads. The Contador attack leveraged Dans move and showed how it should be done.

In the days since his second place I feel he is riding like a desperate man - attacking for placings and getting reeled in. He is better than that and needs to be a bit more selective about when it is on. If one didn't know better one would think that he was out of contract and needs placings to get a ride for next year.

Emmmm...A bit harsh.....I meant on the whole he rode well...He came home with Foorme, Uran & Valverde...pretty good imo
Maybe the attack was at the wrong moment but he still came home well
And not every attack can be timed perfectly...He wanted to get sometime back and tried what he could ...If you look who he was with and who was ahead of him ....I think he did very well

D3PO · 01-09-2014 11:52am

ROK ON wrote: »

Have to disagree. Headless. He attacked too early and made no real inroads. The Contador attack leveraged Dans move and showed how it should be done.

In the days since his second place I feel he is riding like a desperate man - attacking for placings and getting reeled in. He is better than that and needs to be a bit more selective about when it is on. If one didn't know better one would think that he was out of contract and needs placings to get a ride for next year.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Another day with an attack 3k out the big favourites let him go as they mark each other and he gets home and gains some valuable time. Not every attack will work out and at least he had the balls to go for it.

Finishing in a group on a summit finish with Uran, Valverde & Froome aint half bad whatever way you cut it.

Ultimately his attack and the subsequent response from Moreno cut loose Aru, Barguil and some of the other GC contenders on whom he gained time on so it was a successful attack in some way.

Roquentin · 01-09-2014 3:21pm

MPFG wrote: »

Emmmm...A bit harsh.....I meant on the whole he rode well...He came home with Foorme, Uran & Valverde...pretty good imo
Maybe the attack was at the wrong moment but he still came home well
And not every attack can be timed perfectly...He wanted to get sometime back and tried what he could ...If you look who he was with and who was ahead of him ....I think he did very well

he should have held off until later though

D3PO · 01-09-2014 3:47pm

Roquentin wrote: »

he should have held off until later though

outside of the end result what do you base that on ?

thats like me saying well that sprinter should have followed that wheel rather than that wheel and hed have done better.

Easy to critique after the fact but outside of the end result what tactical flaw was there in his attack ?

I can point out almost as many sucessful attacks where a group of favourites let a lesser threat clip off the front with a few KM to go on a summmit finish whilst they marked each other as I can ones that failed like Martins.

Roquentin · 01-09-2014 3:58pm

D3PO wrote: »

outside of the end result what do you base that on ?

thats like me saying well that sprinter should have followed that wheel rather than that wheel and hed have done better.

Easy to critique after the fact but outside of the end result what tactical flaw was there in his attack ?

I can point out almost as many sucessful attacks where a group of favourites let a lesser threat clip off the front with a few KM to go on a summmit finish whilst they marked each other as I can ones that failed like Martins.

the minute i saw him i go i said it was too early. Knowing when to strike is vital. Contador nailed it. perfect timing.

You sound like dan martins mother or something

Darkglasses · 01-09-2014 4:02pm

Contador

D3PO wrote: »

outside of the end result what do you base that on ?

thats like me saying well that sprinter should have followed that wheel rather than that wheel and hed have done better.

Easy to critique after the fact but outside of the end result what tactical flaw was there in his attack ?

I can point out almost as many sucessful attacks where a group of favourites let a lesser threat clip off the front with a few KM to go on a summmit finish whilst they marked each other as I can ones that failed like Martins.

Like when Dan himself won stage 9 of last year's TdF, alright it wasn't a summit finish but it was an early attack on the last climb of the day.

MPFG · 01-09-2014 6:44pm

Contador

Roquentin wrote: »

the minute i saw him i go i said it was too early. Knowing when to strike is vital. Contador nailed it. perfect timing.

You sound like dan martins mother or something

maybe he is his father Neil

Neil is very protective of Dan ...

Anyways I hope Dan can keep up this form and he may get a chance for a stage win and top 10

daramike · 01-09-2014 7:34pm

Uran

Dan's 2 best chances are stage 13 and 18, he should wait for these stages to try anything.

Roquentin · 02-09-2014 12:22am

MPFG wrote: »

maybe he is his father Neil
Neil is very protective of Dan ...

Anyways I hope Dan can keep up this form and he may get a chance for a stage win and top 10

a bit of a drama queen if it is neil

D3PO · 02-09-2014 8:44am

Roquentin wrote: »

the minute i saw him i go i said it was too early. Knowing when to strike is vital. Contador nailed it. perfect timing.

You sound like dan martins mother or something

No I just find some of the keyboard pundits laughable. Plenty of criticism but no actual substance behind it.

As for Contador.

1) Perfect timing ? Evidnently not as he was caught on the line by arguably his main GC threats.

2) Contador has more explosion than Martin on that type of finish its very likey if Contador when first instead of Dan the result would have been very similar anyway.

Too many sky fanboys to actually apprecaite agression in stage racing it seems. You must be gutted you wont see any wheelsucking in todays ITT. :rolleyes:

pelevin · 02-09-2014 9:21am

Serpa

Whatever about Dan's attack , Contador said his attack was based on seeing Froome looking a bit suspect & so it was specifically an attack on Froome to test him out. Getting caught on the line by Purito was an irrelevance in terms of the point of the move.

Chips Lovell · 02-09-2014 9:37am

Cut out the petty bickering please.

gordongekko · 02-09-2014 9:42am

I'd much rather see a rider attack and fail than just sitting on a wheel all the time. I'm even liking Valverde in this race he's far more aggressive than normal.

Roquentin · 02-09-2014 3:03pm

D3PO wrote: »

No I just find some of the keyboard pundits laughable. Plenty of criticism but no actual substance behind it.

As for Contador.

1) Perfect timing ? Evidnently not as he was caught on the line by arguably his main GC threats.

2) Contador has more explosion than Martin on that type of finish its very likey if Contador when first instead of Dan the result would have been very similar anyway.

Too many sky fanboys to actually apprecaite agression in stage racing it seems. You must be gutted you wont see any wheelsucking in todays ITT. :rolleyes:

hes-not-the-messiah-demotivational-poster-1224779273.jpg

i bet you are dans mother, peggy martin, i bet

Roquentin · 02-09-2014 5:09pm

gordongekko wrote: »

I'd much rather see a rider attack and fail than just sitting on a wheel all the time. I'm even liking Valverde in this race he's far more aggressive than normal.

yes i understand, but these guys are athletes and you only have so much in the tank. You have to plan tactically and execute your strikes perfectly, because you can run out of steam......

had it been contador or froome who went when dan martin went, i would have said it was the wrong time to attack regardless. 3km out in an 8% gradient with the best riders in the world, is too early IMO

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