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Should Air Rifle Be considered firearms?

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    #62
    rsole1
    Registered Users Posts: 601 ✭✭✭rsole1


    Sparks wrote: »
    There's an old saying about how those saying something is utterly impossible should be careful not to be run over from behind by those doing it.

    I would get an air rifle if it was 12ft lb and no €80 licence and numerous hoops to jump through. Can you hazard a guess if / when this might happen?


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    #63
    Zxthinger
    Registered Users Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭Zxthinger


    Oh Dear Sparks how I'm jilted by your agonising interpretation of "acceptance". Lol....)

    Surly you impugn ones self with such nonsense. 

    Pistols were fought for in court! Nothing was given and nothing was accepted! and moves are a foot to shore up your so called acceptance! 

    Political relations are assured to any person by constitutionally established methods. However this has been at best mere lip service and at worst 'fact finding exercises' with no real outcome save for the current set of restrictive proposals. etc. Lol

    Reloading was never accepted, it was always allowed! As too was the storage of the parafinala. This is explicitly demonstrated by reference to the removal of a 'lacuna' in the latests round of ags/doj proposals, which detail your perceived degree of acceptance coupled with their lack of tolerance. 

    And the unregulated rollout of air rifles will also fail to be accepted..

    Appeasement might see limited concessions by way of methods previously set out within the thread.
      


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    #64
    Sparks
    Registered Users Posts: 40,055 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Zxthinger wrote: »
    Oh Dear Sparks how I'm jilted by your agonising interpretation of "acceptance". Lol....)
    Surly you impugn ones self with such nonsense. 
    Y'know, if you're going to try to be a wordy so-and-so, it helps if you can spell.
    Just sayin'.
    Pistols were fought for in court! Nothing was given and nothing was accepted!
    Actually, offered to us on a plate in the 90s. Turned down.
    Political relations are assured to any person by constitutionally established methods.
    Anyone who had anything to do with this stuff from the 70s to today can tell you how wrong you are on that point. We never, ever had an official forum where we could sit down with the AGS and DoJ and everyone else on an equal footing, not until 2006.
    Reloading was never accepted, it was always allowed!
    Sure, the act of reloading wasn't illegal, and sure the equipment wasn't illegal to own (despite a few district court cases that were brought despite this), but it wasn't possible for everyone to have the propellant, and without that, you're not so much reloading as playing dress-up.

    Also, funny thing - turns out that "not illegal" and "allowed" are not the same thing. They're not even in the same ball park.

    The fact you're not willing to admit is that if the Midlands lads hadn't jumped through a dozen hoops, and spent more money than seemed sane at the time to do so, reloading in Ireland today would just be illegal, it would have been banned outright a few years back to "tidy up" the law. And it wouldn't have even generated a ripple because at the time, only the guys in the Midlands were pushing for it. The NARGC had come right out and said nobody wanted it, that it wasn't of any use for hunting, and nobody else was throwing any weight behind it at the time.
    This is explicitly demonstrated by reference to the removal of a 'lacuna' in the latests round of ags/doj proposals, which detail your perceived degree of acceptance coupled with their lack of tolerance. 
    Maybe you should ask Grizzly about that lacuna, he looked into actually trying to use it and found it wasn't quite what you're saying it was.
    And the unregulated rollout of air rifles will also fail to be accepted..
    Nice to have you here Minister, how's it going?


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    #65
    recipio
    Registered Users Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭recipio


    To me, the lack of responsible law is a freedom denied to us - unlike the rest of the EU. Simple as that.
    Its a bit like the law on metal detecting - a hobby banned outright but thriving in the UK.( And I'm willing to discuss that hot potato on any other forum )
    We need to stop being so apathetic about this and like the Scottish airgunners
    who have rallied against licencing start to do some effective lobbying ?


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