Plane crash in Alps ### MOD NOTE 1st POST

SEPT 23 1989 · 24-03-2015 6:11pm

Is it too early to blame the russians?

Tokyo · 24-03-2015 6:16pm

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Reports that there might be a survivor.

Considering that debris field, that would be nothing short of a miracle

IvyTheTerrible · 24-03-2015 6:16pm

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Reports that there might be a survivor.

Links?

I'm quite sceptical of those claims, after seeing pictures of the crash site - people are saying there are pieces of the plane and pieces of bodies.

topper75 · 24-03-2015 6:17pm

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Reports that there might be a survivor.

Reports from yourself to After Hours, like?

The Aussie · 24-03-2015 6:18pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Is it too early to blame the russians?

If you want to be a Troll...

Yeh sure work away, then the Cretin Cremlin supporters can start frothing at the mouth again.

pcardin · 24-03-2015 6:23pm

The Aussie wrote: »

If you want to be a Troll...

Yeh sure work away, then the Cretin Cremlin supporters can start frothing at the mouth again.

Exactly, them starting to blame Americans and Ukrainians, calling everyone Nazi etc. Let's better no to start.

JONJO THE MISER · 24-03-2015 6:24pm

topper75 wrote: »

Reports from yourself to After Hours, like?

La Provence are reporting that there might be a survivor, according to the rescue coordinator General David Galtier.

ceadaoin. · 24-03-2015 6:24pm

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

Links?

I'm quite sceptical of those claims, after seeing pictures of the crash site - people are saying there are pieces of the plane and pieces of bodies.

It was tweeted by a local news agency here

https://mobile.twitter.com/laprovence/status/580390702904950785

Looking at the debris though I really don't think its possible for someone to have survived

seamus · 24-03-2015 6:28pm

A survivor would be ****ing incredible.

https://i.imgur.com/nG3RuoL.jpg

The aircraft hit the side of that mountain at 400 knots.

Tokyo · 24-03-2015 6:29pm

ceadaoin. wrote: »

It was tweeted by a local news agency here

https://mobile.twitter.com/laprovence/status/580390702904950785

Looking at the debris though I really don't think its possible for someone to have survived

"One person might have survived the crash" <link to news website>

Clickbait of the worst kind....

Thepoet85 · 24-03-2015 6:29pm

Can't see anyone surviving that. Horrible for the families

rip

Bob24 · 24-03-2015 6:31pm

ceadaoin. wrote: »

It was tweeted by a local news agency here

https://mobile.twitter.com/laprovence/status/580390702904950785

Looking at the debris though I really don't think its possible for someone to have survived

Had a look at the live coverage page linked in the tweet.

They are quoting one member of the rescue team who told a radio station around 2PM: "Our priority is is rescue possible survivors. We might have spotted a body which was moving.".

Given own uncertain the original source was and the fact that it was 4 and a half hours ago ... unfortunately I doubt this is very solid information.

topper75 · 24-03-2015 6:33pm

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

La Provence are reporting that there might be a survivor, according to the rescue coordinator General David Galtier.

Apologies Jonjo for my sarcasm. You are right - there are in fact such reports (on which I remain a doubting Thomas), but bear in mind that links don't cost money.

dfx- · 24-03-2015 6:39pm

mike_ie wrote: »

Considering that debris field, that would be nothing short of a miracle

It does perhaps verify the speed on that reddit graph, going intact into the mountain at that speed would smash into a confined but littered* debris field...rather than the likes of the Air Inter crash or Turkish Airlines into the forest decades ago where large sections were at the crash site.

* for want of a more appropriate term.

Wibbs · 24-03-2015 6:57pm

mike_ie wrote: »

Considering that debris field, that would be nothing short of a miracle

+1000. I couldn't see any debris much larger than a suitcase. That's a very high intensity impact. Lockerbie blew up and fell from 35,000 feet and there were bigger sections of aircraft left. Ditto for the Ukraine tragedy. Though one person did survive to the ground after Lockerbie A flight attendant IIRC. She was alive but unconscious and passed away before help could arrive. If someone lived through this tragedy, even for a few minutes that would as Mike said nothing short of a miracle.

Terrible accident. RIP.

conorh91 · 24-03-2015 7:04pm

I notice Germanwings is due to be effectively wound up and re-incorporated into Eurowings, it was announced a few months back.

I assume there will be no adverse effects on the airline or on Lufthansa for that reason? The brand's days were already numbered.

YFlyer · 24-03-2015 7:06pm

I didn't know that you put on the oxygen mask to your children first. Thought it was the other way around?

Tokyo · 24-03-2015 7:07pm

YFlyer wrote: »

I didn't know that you put on the oxygen mask to your children first. Though it was the other way around?

It is. You can't help others if you're unconscious yourself. Ensure your own air supply, then ensure others.

edit: germanwings in-flight safety card states the same too: http://my-safetycard.de/pics/thumbs/17198.jpg

YFlyer · 24-03-2015 7:09pm

mike_ie wrote: »

It is. You can't help others if you're unconscious yourself. Ensure your own air supply, then ensure others.

Yeah I thought so. The guy on rte1 news said children 1st.

dublinman1990 · 24-03-2015 7:09pm

Oh God. I am just hearing from the BBC 16 kids died in that awful crash.

There are simply numb feelings when I heard about that statistic. R.I.P to all who were killed in that crash today.

Bob24 · 24-03-2015 7:10pm

YFlyer wrote: »

The guy on rte1 news said children 1st.

Seriously???

madcabbage · 24-03-2015 7:10pm

The pictures of that crash site are frightening. God help the families of the deceased.

Avada · 24-03-2015 7:10pm

YFlyer wrote: »

Yeah I thought so. The guy on rte1 news said children 1st.

Its RTE....

YFlyer · 24-03-2015 7:14pm

Bob24 wrote: »

Seriously???

Didn't get the guy name or 'expertise.'

kona · 24-03-2015 7:15pm

YFlyer wrote: »

Yeah I thought so. The guy on rte1 news said children 1st.

He's wrong. I don't know where the media find these "experts" , the real ones are too busy working it seems.

Thepoet85 · 24-03-2015 7:17pm

Obviously early days as far as the investigation is concerned, but from the images I saw there didn't seem to be a lot of scorching to the impact area. May be nothing but I hope there wasn't a fuel shortage or problem. Rip

Bob24 · 24-03-2015 7:18pm

YFlyer wrote: »

Didn't get the guy name or 'expertise.'

I guess he never even bothered listening to the safety announcement before a flight. Spreading incorrect safety information on National media is not something he can be proud of :-/

Thepoet85 · 24-03-2015 7:19pm

Thought I heard the "expert" say children first but thought I misheard.

Mountainsandh · 24-03-2015 7:24pm

I was listening to the local deputy who joined the Interior minister for a heli flight over the crash site, he said very clearly that no impact site has been located. The debris is all there, but he said that no particular area seemed scorched or impacted.
The area looks dark and blackened to me, but I guessed they're talking about an obvious explosion site, there just isn't any.

YFlyer · 24-03-2015 7:28pm

Random_Name wrote: »

Its RTE....

They'll probably omit the clip at the 9 o'clock news.

btw you forgot the fada

cml387 · 24-03-2015 7:28pm

Southwest Airlines saftey announcement:

"If you have a small child travelling
with you, secure your mask before assisting with theirs. If you are
travelling with two small children, decide now which one you love more."

YFlyer · 24-03-2015 7:29pm

He corrected himself.

Thepoet85 · 24-03-2015 7:30pm

Could be possible that it broke up before impact maybe. Not much point in speculating I guess. I just noticed that I couldn't see a definitive scorch or impact zone

Junkyard Tom · 24-03-2015 7:35pm

Would it be the frozen pitot issue again like Flight 477 or were they all upgraded?

vienne86 · 24-03-2015 8:12pm

YFlyer wrote: »

He corrected himself.

Thank goodness - what an awful mistake for a guy like that to make.

Lucas Castroman · 24-03-2015 8:23pm

Oh the humanity.

vienne86 · 24-03-2015 8:41pm

How many times have each of us travelled on one of these airbuses? Very frightening what can happen - heaven help those involved and their loved ones.

humanji · 24-03-2015 8:44pm

MOD: It's disturbing that this has to be said, but cut out the jokes.

Lucas Castroman · 24-03-2015 9:43pm

humanji wrote: »

MOD: It's disturbing that this has to be said, but cut out the jokes.

My post was a historical reference to the hindenburg disaster and was not intended for amusement.

Do you believe your desire to exert authority on a meaningless internet forum is a consequence of your inadequacies in the real world? Genuinely interested.

G_R · 24-03-2015 9:48pm

Lucas Castroman wrote: »

My post was a historical reference to the hindenburg disaster and was not intended for amusement.

Do you believe your desire to exert authority on a meaningless internet forum is a consequence of your inadequacies in the real world? Genuinely interested.

Mod

Don't question moderation in thread. If you've an issue, PM the Mod.

darkpagandeath · 24-03-2015 9:48pm

Tragic event for all involved, Sickening the news agency's bolting on "it's not Terror related" seems they cant help themselves inserting Terror into every event without any findings.

KingBrian2 · 24-03-2015 9:56pm

RIP to all those passengers of this horrible accident.

Hans Bricks · 24-03-2015 9:58pm

Off color, light hearted humor and jokes take away the morbidity from tragic situations such as these I think. It shouldn't all be grief porn should it ?

Cold War Kid · 24-03-2015 10:16pm

Deathwish4 wrote: »

Horrible time for Aviation.

I agree. I know people are saying the tragedies of the last year or so are still less than miniscule in number compared to the amount of flights without incident - and of course this is true, and good to emphasise; it's important for there not to be scaremongering.

But there have still been more such disasters than normal over the course of a year, tiny and all as that number has been.

tayto lover · 24-03-2015 10:18pm

Hans Bricks wrote: »

Off color, light hearted humor and jokes take away the morbidity from tragic situations such as these I think. It shouldn't all be grief porn should it ?

Don't agree at all.
They're distasteful.

darkpagandeath · 24-03-2015 10:18pm

Feline Groovy wrote: »

I agree. I know people are saying the tragedies of the last year or so are still less than miniscule in number compared to the amount of flights without incident - and of course this is true, and good to emphasise; it's important for there not to be scaremongering.

But there have still been more such disasters than normal over the course of a year, tiny and all as that number has been.

Statistically blips like this crop up now and again, But this does not detract from the terrible events and all involved.

bb1234567 · 24-03-2015 10:53pm

Hans Bricks wrote: »

Off color, light hearted humor and jokes take away the morbidity from tragic situations such as these I think. It shouldn't all be grief porn should it ?

Would you like if people joked about your family's death.

bb1234567 · 24-03-2015 10:58pm

Another two victims appear to have been identified.

A woman originally from the small Spanish town of Jaca was among the dead, according to the town's mayor.

The mayor said she was on board the flight with her baby son.

The woman - named as Marina Bandres - lived in Britain.

Other known victims include 16 students and two teachers from a high school in the German town of Haltern am See.

German opera singer Maria Radner, her husband and her baby are also thought to have been killed alongside opera singer Oleg Bryjak.

The Sydney Morning Herald says Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop has confirmed that two Australians were also among the dead.

An israeli man has also been confirmed to have been on board the flight.

Terrible how many young people lost their lives

Fat Christy · 24-03-2015 11:12pm

Very, very sad turn of events. My heart goes out to the family and friends of all who died. I couldn't imagine the heartbreak of being told that a family member had died in a plane crash. A terrible, terrible tragedy. The absolute terror them people must have faced when they realised that plane was going down, god love them.

Mint Sauce · 24-03-2015 11:15pm

vienne86 wrote: »

How many times have each of us travelled on one of these airbuses? Very frightening what can happen - heaven help those involved and their loved ones.

How many times, I couldn't count. But they are used on the Dublin/Heathrow route, and Knock/Gatwick route, which I use 2-3 return flights a year, for the last 15 or 16. Some could use it weekly.

Figures I heard today, over 2000 in service in europe, one taking off or landing every few seconds. The odds are very low.

None of that though is consolation to those who died today.

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