UFC 193 - Rousey v Holm

Checkmate19 wrote: »

I apologise for the rude response's. However if really annoys me people picking up on spelling. I type very quick so i don't really check my work. I don't think i should have to. I got an A2 in higher level english so i can spell but i don't need to justify myself to anyone on here. I just find it really petty to point spelling mistakes out but if that what you get your kicks from then continue to do so. I didn't check this so please run it through the spell check for me.

I don't think anyone genuinely had an issue with your spelling, it was more the tone of your post in general. Talking about people spouting bollix and not knowing anything about the sport.

Which was really a very bizarre post considering that you were saying virtually the same as the previous posters. It was very weird tbh

Checkmate19 wrote: »

She out for six months no matter what on the commission. Head injuries. It comes atomic with the sport. Do any of you guys on here really know anything about the sport. Six months is automatic with concussion. It will drop back with doctor reports scans etc. Sweet jesus the amount of bollix people spout without knowing anything about any sport.

Andre 3000 wrote: »

She does and has done MMA for many many years and you think she's concerned about cuts and bruises? If she is, then she's totally in the wrong game altogether, as is any fighter who covers their bruises/cuts. They have been cut and bruised so many bloody times that most don't even care any more...it's just part of the territory. It's clear as day she wanted none of the paparazzi. Hiding her bruises my eye.

Because plastic surgery = bruises

Gamebred wrote: »

Who ever made the video has never competed in their life and has the neck to slag a combat trainer like Edmund whose forgot more than they could dream of knowing about fighting.

Its pretty much universally accepted that Edmund is at best a mediocre coach who had the absolute gift of Ronda Rousey walk into his gym (and he all but turned her away) .

The gains she has made in her striking, under his striking tutelage, are minimal, as evidenced by her lack of head movement, lack of an effective jab and inability to keep her chin tucked.

He told her after the first round that it was "beautiful" (possibly excusable as a throwaway statement) but then proceeded to tell Rousey what Holm was doing, without offering any advice as to how she should counter or react. This is the first time we've seen Ronda lose a round, and as a result the first time we've seen Tarverdyan having to actually corner, and IMO he came up short

ligerleo wrote: »

I'm just pointing out the facts. Just because Holm wins one fight well does not make her the greatest womans mma fighter, she will have to prove this time and time again like Rousey did if she wants to achieve this. Fighters usually have to beat big names to get a title shot, thought Holm got it too easily. Sure Pennington could have easily beaten Holm toward the end of their fight.

Cat aside as she was out for over a year before beating Amanda Nunes; Rondas last opponents had beaten Shayna Bazsler,Jessica Eye & Shiela Gaff to get the shot these fighters IMO would have a tough time against Pennington or Reneau.

Holm was brought to the division originally with a view to taking on Ronda e.g. her contract would have been well above entry level salary(25k/25k) the fight was given too soon even Holm herself has stated that but you get an opportunity take it she did and we saw the result. Styles make fights and I reckon Holm has Rouseys number and would beat her again but whether she can do as good against the rest of the field remains to be seen.

ligerleo wrote: »

Rousey had beaten all of the top fighters in the division in the most dominant fashion. She just went out with the wrong fight plan against Holm, Ronda made the mistake of coming forward and trading with her. Holm is a counter puncher and I believe if Rousey was more patient she would have won the fight. We've seen that Holms striking is far less effective in her previous two fights where she was forced to be the aggressor. Its just one fight just because Buster Douglas beat Tyson does not mean he is remembered as been better. Rousey is capable of beating her in rematch if she changes her approach and uses her judo more.

I agree that it was the wrong game plan, but its the only one Rousey has ever shown. Its not like she devised this forward pressure game specifically for Holm

Reed Enough Comedy wrote: »

Its very typically Judo to push forward to your opponent as its an aggressive style where being passive or defensive will have you penalized.

I think this is sums up the issue with Ronda. She's away from Judo for almsot 8 years (Beijing Olympics), and spent most of that time training and competing in MMA. Instead of adjusting Judo game for MMA, she just stuck with the plow forward approach. Aggression is fine in judo as you don't get punched in the face.

Reed Enough Comedy wrote: »

A move to a new gym (American Kickboxing Academy anyone?) will see a new Rousey off the blocks.

She'd be best off at somewhere like Tristar imo. Or maybe Kings in california (Werdum, RDA) if she didn't want to more to Canada.

ligerleo wrote: »

Rousey had beaten all of the top fighters in the division in the most dominant fashion. She just went out with the wrong fight plan against Holm, Ronda made the mistake of coming forward and trading with her. Holm is a counter puncher and I believe if Rousey was more patient she would have won the fight. We've seen that Holms striking is far less effective in her previous two fights where she was forced to be the aggressor. Its just one fight just because Buster Douglas beat Tyson does not mean he is remembered as been better. Rousey is capable of beating her in rematch if she changes her approach and uses her judo more.

See the Buster Douglas thing has been popping up a lot in the aftermath of this fight it's maybe relevant in terms of big upset; Buster Douglas never fought Tyson again the end goal was a fight with unbeaten Holyfield before that fight the same way I believe a fight with Cyborg was clearly the end goal for Ronda.

Obviously with Holyfield/Tyson fortunes changed for both before it ended up happening and people will remember the second fight more due to the ear chomping going on.

Like you say Holly a counter-puncher but like others homed in on Ronda has been the aggressor in previous fights to initiate clinch mainly but where others failed to hurt Ronda on the way to that Holly succeeded.

As someone who has watched Holly prior UFC I'm well sorry I didn't see it coming and not put a bet on as I like others assumed it would be typical Ronda armbar in 30 seconds or something (Hindsight is annoying); On the Pennington fight I believe (may be wrong) she primarily trains in boxing so perhaps that's why that fight translated that way with her and she recently avenged a loss to Jessica Andrade who before her loss to Reneau was linked with a possible Rousey showdown.

Ronda has been amazing for WMMA no disputing that but I think we should be comparing her to Royce Gracie basically kickstarting the mens equivalent as opposed to the Buster Douglas situation.

I don't think this was the biggest upset in UFC history for the record but in WMMA without a doubt. Like the older Holyfield had Tysons number I think the same is the case with Holly having Ronda's. Ronda opened as favourite in Vegas pending the rematch by way so the bookies are on your side.

Mellor wrote: »

She'd be best off at somewhere like Tristar imo. Or maybe Kings in california (Werdum, RDA) if she didn't want to more to Canada.

RDA said in an interview she'd be welcomed to Kings should she be willing

If there is a rematch i would like to see Holly add in a lot more leg kicks, really chop Ronda down