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Deadline Day: Bring Out The Transfer Gimp!

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  • #2502
    Big Pussy Bonpensiero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,778 ✭✭✭Big Pussy Bonpensiero


    amiable wrote: »
    Jersey sales that Pienaar generated in a January transfer? Think about that one again.
    So we've established Spurs didn't make money on Pienaar including subsidising his wages while on loan at Everton and giving him his payoff on his transfer back to Everton?
    Yes, we've established that, without knowing what sales he generated, we paid approx £40,000 a week for a player of his calibre. Is that bad business? Do you know what sort of impact he had on the team?

    From the outside looking in, we were paying mid-level wages to an experienced, talented footballer.


  • #2503
    BINKY NIPPER
    Closed Accounts Posts: 257 ✭✭BINKY NIPPER


    amiable wrote: »

    By the way, it's you are not your

    btw its you're and not you are....see what i just did?

    never mind


  • #2504
    amiable
    Registered Users Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    THFC wrote: »
    Yes, we've established that, without knowing what sales he generated, we paid approx £40,000 a week for a player of his calibre. Is that bad business? Do you know what sort of impact he had on the team?

    From the outside looking in, we were paying mid-level wages to an experienced, talented footballer.

    Spurs paid more than £40 k per week for Pienaar.
    He was on the higher scale of Spurs wages as he was almost on a bosman.
    But you said Spurs made a profit on him. Surely we've established they didn't for a player that hardly played. Yes that is bad business IMO.
    Not much of an impact did he have IMO from the bench or when he was at Everton having his wages subsidised.


  • #2505
    Big Pussy Bonpensiero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,778 ✭✭✭Big Pussy Bonpensiero


    amiable wrote: »
    The tabloids decided to link him. It doesn't make it so.
    Type any players name in to google and often you'll see Liverpool suggested.
    It doesn't make it so.

    Lets reason it out though to suit you. Arsenal have finally an established centre back pairing that seems to be excellent in Vermaelen and Koscielny backed up by a German international with over 80 caps. Do you still think Spurs beat Arsenal to Vertonghen?
    Christ, the man himself said it, what more do you want? He also plays LB, a position Arsenal are weak in.
    amiable wrote: »
    A quote from Fergie on Real Madrid, ''I wouldn't sell them a virus''
    This was before the transfer of Ronaldo to Real Madrid.
    Just because someone says it doesn't make it true.
    Relevance?? None.


  • #2506
    amiable
    Registered Users Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    BINKY NIPPER wrote: »
    btw its you're and not you are....see what i just did?

    never mind

    It's actually either or but I didn't need to be checked on it and your point on Joe Cole is still not relevant.


  • #2507
    BINKY NIPPER
    Closed Accounts Posts: 257 ✭✭BINKY NIPPER


    amiable wrote: »
    It's actually either or but I didn't need to be checked on it and your point on Joe Cole is still not relevant.

    You still haven't come back to me on Modric ability to buy out his contract?


  • #2508
    amiable
    Registered Users Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    THFC wrote: »
    Christ, the man himself said it, what more do you want? He also plays LB, a position Arsenal are weak in.


    Relevance?? None.

    Of course it's relevant to prove football people say what they want to the media and it doesn't make it true.


  • #2509
    amiable
    Registered Users Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    BINKY NIPPER wrote: »
    You still havent come back to me on Modric ability to buy out his contract?

    I didn't say he could buy out his contract. He doesn't need to to.
    But the irony you asking me to come back to you on points made.


  • #2510
    Big Pussy Bonpensiero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,778 ✭✭✭Big Pussy Bonpensiero


    amiable wrote: »
    Spurs paid more than £40 k per week for Pienaar.
    He was on the higher scale of Spurs wages as he was almost on a bosman.
    But you said Spurs made a profit on him. Surely we've established they didn't for a player that hardly played. Yes that is bad business IMO.
    Not much of an impact did he have IMO from the bench or when he was at Everton having his wages subsidised.
    Honestly, are you even reading my posts?? Did I not take that bit back??

    According to speculation, something which you so easily dismissed earlier on, Pienaar was due to earn £16,000,000 over 4 1/2 years = £68,000 a week. £68,000 by 52 (about the amount of weeks he was with us) = ~£3.5mill, minus the £1.5 mill profit, equals £2m. £2m divided by 52 = £38,500 a week. Factor in sales, impact on the team, dressing room, etc, my opinion is that that was a good bit of business, considering we sold him for a higher fee than we paid for him to the same club, without him playing as well as he was before he joined us.


  • #2511
    Big Pussy Bonpensiero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,778 ✭✭✭Big Pussy Bonpensiero


    amiable wrote: »
    Of course it's relevant to prove football people say what they want to the media and it doesn't make it true.
    Yes because all "football people" are to be treated the same.


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  • #2512
    Big Pussy Bonpensiero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,778 ✭✭✭Big Pussy Bonpensiero


    Anyways, I've work in the morning at 8, I'm gone.


  • #2513
    amiable
    Registered Users Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    THFC wrote: »
    Yes because all "football people" are to be treated the same.

    So we believe only the ones you want to believe?
    My point is sometimes football people say stuff that sounds good.
    Honestly are you even reading my posts? :D


  • #2514
    amiable
    Registered Users Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    THFC wrote: »
    Honestly, are you even reading my posts?? Did I not take that bit back??

    According to speculation, something which you so easily dismissed earlier on, Pienaar was due to earn £16,000,000 over 4 1/2 years = £68,000 a week. £68,000 by 52 (about the amount of weeks he was with us) = ~£3.5mill, minus the £1.5 mill profit, equals £2m. £2m divided by 52 = £38,500 a week. Factor in sales, impact on the team, dressing room, etc, my opinion is that that was a good bit of business, considering we sold him for a higher fee than we paid for him to the same club, without him playing as well as he was before he joined us.

    Whatever way you spin it Spurs paid money for a player they didn't really use. You also failed to factor in the money he earned from Spurs while on loan at Everton.


  • #2515
    redzerdrog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,750 ✭✭✭redzerdrog


    THFC wrote: »
    Honestly, are you even reading my posts?? Did I not take that bit back??

    According to speculation, something which you so easily dismissed earlier on, Pienaar was due to earn £16,000,000 over 4 1/2 years = £68,000 a week. £68,000 by 52 (about the amount of weeks he was with us) = ~£3.5mill, minus the £1.5 mill profit, equals £2m. £2m divided by 52 = £38,500 a week. Factor in sales, impact on the team, dressing room, etc, my opinion is that that was a good bit of business, considering we sold him for a higher fee than we paid for him to the same club, without him playing as well as he was before he joined us.

    Is his loyalty bonus factored into that? Or did he put in a transfer request?


  • #2516
    amiable
    Registered Users Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    Yann M'Vila linked to Spurs now


  • #2517
    Caveman1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭Caveman1


    amiable wrote: »
    Yann M'Vila linked to Spurs now

    Read a story earlier saying he'll be Modric's replacement?? Not even close to the same type of player, would do well in the PL though.


  • #2518
    amiable
    Registered Users Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    Caveman1 wrote: »
    Read a story earlier saying he'll be Modric's replacement?? Not even close to the same type of player, would do well in the PL though.

    Was that the Duncan Castles piece?


  • #2519
    Caveman1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭Caveman1


    amiable wrote: »
    Was that the Duncan Castles piece?

    It was indeed, he actually tweeted later on saying M'Vila was an alternative to Moutinho?


  • #2520
    amiable
    Registered Users Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    Caveman1 wrote: »
    It was indeed, he actually tweeted later on saying M'Vila was an alternative to Moutinho?

    I read that too. His info on transfers is very reliable IMO.
    His opinion on the ability of players is not as good.
    Yann M'Vila would be a terrific signing at the price mentioned.


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  • #2521
    TheTownie
    Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭TheTownie


    Just reading through the squabble last night...
    amiable wrote: »
    In that case why praise Levy so much?

    My point being wait til some of the details of the transfer are revealed before praising him like what happened a few weeks ago.

    BTW I think you meant Lucas Moura

    Rafael Moura's move from Fluminense to Internacional was what he was referring to.
    BINKY NIPPER wrote: »
    Modric cant buy out his 4 year contract that he has left!

    I'm going to take a punt an assume Amiable was referring to the FIFA rule which states a player must take part in 10% of his clubs matches otherwise he can jump ship.

    Its one of the reasons Man City didn't leave Tevez sit in the stands and its one of the reasons Spurs won't do it with Modric either.

    Modric doesn't have the option of buying out his contract until next summer.


  • #2522
    amiable
    Registered Users Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    TheTownie wrote: »
    Just reading through the squabble last night...



    Rafael Moura's move from Fluminense to Internacional was what he was referring to.



    I realised this earlier this morning.

    Apologies to THFC :)


  • #2523
    xtal191
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,397 ✭✭✭xtal191


    City agree fee for Rodwell, no idea why City would want him.


  • #2524
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    Sky Sports News ‏@SkySportsNews Manchester City agree fee with Everton for Jack Rodwell #SSN


    very strange signing


  • #2525
    Mars Bar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,947 ✭✭✭✭Mars Bar


    That's a bloody strange transfer!


  • #2526
    amiable
    Registered Users Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    Rodwell fee confirmed by Everton


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  • #2527
    amiable
    Registered Users Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    By the way, where were the 'ITK's on the Rodwell to city story?


  • #2528
    rodgered
    Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭rodgered


    Did Sinclair sign with them?


  • #2529
    PHB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    I guess they just needed another defensive midfielder ?


  • #2530
    Red Crow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,139 ✭✭✭Red Crow


    amiable wrote: »
    By the way, where were the 'ITK's on the Rodwell to city story?

    It just goes to show you!

    Van Persie is also going to play for Arsenal this evening [45 Minutes] which was confirmed by Louis van Gaal.


  • #2531
    Jax Teller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,763 ✭✭✭Jax Teller


    PHB wrote: »
    I guess they just needed another defensive midfielder ?

    They need homegrown players aswell .


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  • #2532
    xtal191
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,397 ✭✭✭xtal191


    De Jong is probably on his way out.


  • #2533
    Leiva
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    Coletrickle88 wrote: »
    They need homegrown players aswell .

    Exactly .


  • #2534
    Red Crow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,139 ✭✭✭Red Crow


    amiable wrote: »
    By the way, where were the 'ITK's on the Rodwell to city story?

    The Mirror 11/8/12 22:32

    The phrase 'if you throw enough shít...' comes to mind though!


  • #2535
    TheTownie
    Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭TheTownie


    xtal191 wrote: »
    City agree fee for Rodwell, no idea why City would want him.

    They need a replacement for Owen Hargreaves on the treatment table.


  • #2536
    Leiva
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    Eli Manning wrote: »
    The Mirror 11/8/12 22:32

    The phrase 'if you throw enough shít...' comes to mind though!

    They also reported at the same time that WHU are going to bid £6mil for Joe Cole.... Oh how I hope they got the two scoops right .


  • #2537
    opr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,267 ✭✭✭opr


    Isn't it widely believed that Rodwell will end up at centre half? Turned attention to him after failing with Agger? The transition of Kompany comes to mind.

    Opr


  • #2538
    Chancer3001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,480 ✭✭✭Chancer3001


    Think this one might have been borne out of frustration at not being able to get players in.

    Dont think hes been consistent enough or is even good enough to be at Citys Level.

    I do know United had been looking at him too though.


  • #2539
    Blatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    opr wrote: »
    Isn't it widely believed that Rodwell will end up at centre half? Turned attention to him after failing with Agger? The transition of Kompany comes to mind.

    Opr

    I think it's a myth a Rodwell will end up at centre half or can even play there. I think I remember an Everton fan posting that he's only ever played in midfield for Everton and the centre half comments were bizarre.

    I think Rodwell is going to be a replacement for de Jong.


  • #2540
    opr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,267 ✭✭✭opr


    Blatter wrote: »
    I think it's a myth a Rodwell will end up at centre half or can even play there. I think I remember an Everton fan posting that he's only ever played in midfield for Everton and the centre half comments were bizarre.

    I think Rodwell is going to be a replacement for de Jong.

    I'm pretty sure as a youth he regularly played as a CB? He was moved up to DM at some stage in his career I thought. Could be completely wrong.

    Opr


  • #2541
    Rekop dog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭Rekop dog


    Decent business by Everton. You'd imagine Moyes will put it to good use if allowed but it back into the transfer market


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  • #2542
    amiable
    Registered Users Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    Rekop dog wrote: »
    Decent business by Everton. You'd imagine Moyes will put it to good use if allowed but it back into the transfer market

    Barkley looks good enough to replace Rodwell too


  • #2543
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    How much was the fee?


  • #2544
    ASOT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Seaneh wrote: »
    How much was the fee?

    £20m apparently


  • #2545
    Johner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,625 ✭✭✭✭Johner


    £15 million I think!


  • #2546
    Blatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    opr wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure as a youth he regularly played as a CB? He was moved up to DM at some stage in his career I thought. Could be completely wrong.

    Opr

    I've no idea where he played at youth level tbh, I just remember an Everton fan being bemused at the idea that he had played CB at times for the first team.

    I doubt City would be in for a top class CB in Agger and then buy a player who is totally unproven in that position as an alternative.

    I still think City will be in for a top class CB, whether that'll be Agger or not is another question.


  • #2547
    Degag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,982 ✭✭✭Degag


    I think signing Sinclair and Rodwell is definately to appease the homegrown players rule. Don't think they would be in for them otherwise.


  • #2548
    batistuta9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,261 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    why do they want de jong out?


  • #2549
    Blatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    batistuta9 wrote: »
    why do they want de jong out?

    Afaik he only has one year left on his current City deal and is refusing to sign a new contract as he wants first team football.

    City won't want to lose him for nothing next season.


  • #2550
    batistuta9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,261 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    Blatter wrote: »
    Afaik he only has one year left on his current City deal and is refusing to sign a new contract as he wants first team football.

    City won't want to lose him for nothing next season.

    right

    could be another signing for wenger if song goes


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  • #2551
    double GG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,623 ✭✭✭double GG


    batistuta9 wrote: »
    right

    could be another signing for wenger if song goes

    Can't see Wenger going for De Jong.


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